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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:48, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of University of North Carolina at Charlotte student organizations

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Subject lacks the necessary coverage of the grouping from secondary sources (not the university itself or a student newspaper) to meet the WP:NLIST. A PROD was removed with the claim that there are many sources available, but I couldn't find any to support the notability of this list. Let'srun (talk) 23:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - This nomination was offered AFTER two significant references were added, confirming notability and accuracy. While yes, they are from the University, they are operationally distinct from the organizations themselves and are secondary in nature. Student organizations, normally operating without fanfare, are typically not the subject of national news. Nevertheless, on their campuses and in their communities, they remain notable. Some exist for as long as the college has existed. To summarize, this is a list class article, and a work in progress. Deletion would serve no purpose. Jax MN (talk) 00:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Student clubs and organizations are not inherently notable. Plus anything published by the university is not independent because it's either written by the students or the administration. Conyo14 (talk) 07:33, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The clubs and organisations listed which have links are not unique or specific to the university itself. Fails WP:NLIST. Ajf773 (talk) 22:57, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per all of the above: student clubs, being overwhelming run of the mill, must show why they are unique and that there’s significant coverage. This is a longstanding consensus here - 16 years ago or even earlier, we deleted a similar list of student government officials at Louisiana State. Bearian (talk) 02:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move: The Greek letter portion of this article (fraternities, sororities, and honor societies) is cited to secondary sources and can stand on its own concerning notability. My suggestion is to remove the unsourced content and retain the sourced content under the name "List of University of North Carolina at Charlotte fraternities and sororities". This would be consistent with the treatment of similar content for other institutions in Wikipedia. Trimming and moving the article would take advantage of the efforts of other editors and would be easier than starting a new article about GLOs at UNCC from scratch. Rublamb (talk) 17:18, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV/WP:NLIST. Oppose move. Not seeing the need to save anything as all but one of the Greek life sources are primary sources to the websites of the various fraternities and sororities. That doesn't substantiate having a "List of University of North Carolina at Charlotte fraternities and sororities" because they are not independent sources. If someone were to create a list of this type, they should not be using any of these materials. The only useable source is Baird's Manual of American College Fraternities, but that is not online and is only verifying two of the organizations. There isn't enough here worth saving to make it worth moving. Better to start over fresh. Best.4meter4 (talk) 02:27, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was WP:SNOW delete. There is no reasonable possibility of an outcome other than deletion, and the subject matter has been well-argued to be terminally non-notable. BD2412 T 18:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gynaecologists in chennai

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Article serving no clear purpose. As written, this just generally defines what gynaecology is (a purpose already served by the article gynaecology) and briefly states that the Indian city of Chennai has gynaecologists — but there's absolutely no evidence shown here that there's anything unique about Chennai's gynaecologists that would make them different from everywhere else's gynaecologists, which is the bar that an article about this would have to clear.
You could write an almost identical article about every other city in the entire world, so there would have to be a lot more uniquely city-specific substance than just "the city has gynaecological services, the end" to justify it.
And it's referenced almost entirely to general sources footnoting the "general universal concept of gynaecology" stuff, with the only source that's specific to Chennai being a government-published directory of the city's hospitals that says absolutely nothing about gynaecology at all, so even the sourcing is failing to demonstrate that gynaecology in Chennai needs its own standalone article independently of gynaecology everywhere else. Bearcat (talk) 22:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The creating editor knows exactly what they're doing (creating a WP:NOTDIR WP:ADVERT on our backs) and Sandeepchennai (talk · contribs)'s small punctuation edits are clearly trying to get extended confirmed to try to offer paid edits to providers onto the LLM'ed (badly) intro and probably expand their services to Podiatrists in chennai and etcetera. This is clearly a coatrack attempt to force an ad on here, and the piss-poor 'Google what is gynecology' sourcing and incorrect formatting of said sources only solidifies that. Thankfully this isn't title-evasion, but this is a spade. Nate • (chatter) 01:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In digging around Sandeep's edits I found the article for Mala Raj...really suspecting we're dealing with a sock nest creating a walled garden, as Dr. Raj is also from Chennai and looking at its history, they were just waiting to add her to the list once they got ECM privileges. Nate • (chatter) 03:09, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just wrote up Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sandeephbk2024. Nate • (chatter) 21:51, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Does not make sense as a standalone page. Draken Bowser (talk) 11:26, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete: WP:NOTADVERT. A clear promotional or advertising piece with no claim of notability.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 13:38, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, WP:NOPROMO is a thing. Garudam ^Talk! 16:13, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: the article in question contradicts the purpose of Wikipedia. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 17:06, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: WP:COATRACK, likely for sock drawer of UPE. Fails WP:GNG. Not an article by any reasonable standards 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:30, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per MrSchimpf above, the ensuing and now closed SPI, and WP:SOAP: Wikipedia is not . . . a vehicle for . . . advertising. It's plausible that an encyclopedic article on the topic of gynaecology in Chennai (or more likely Tamil Nadu) could be written, but it would have nothing in common with this one, so we'd be better off starting from scratch anyway. -- Visviva (talk) 02:06, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:06, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above, especially that WP:NOTFB: we are not your Chennai webhost; we are a charity in the United States. Bearian (talk) 02:49, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per nom. Page also reads as promotion and advertisement for Gynaecologists in Chennai Medical facilities. RangersRus (talk) 15:46, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agata Rosłońska

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – I think we're facing the same issue as Michał Tomaszewski AfD months ago. From what I can see based on my Google search ("Agata Rosłońska łyżwiarka figurowa"), news media only refer to her as part of the figure skating duo with Tomaszewski; nothing in-depth about the woman herself. Corresponding article on Polish Wikipedia likewise does not have significant coverage in secondary sources. No news have been released on Tomaszewski over 20 years either. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Already PROD'd so not eligible for a Soft Deletion.
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Weak Delete- If still active a draft would have been best unfortunately No source except this https://gp24.pl/tomasz-iwan-w-gwiazdy-tancza-na-lodzie-jest-juz-w-drugiej-rundzie/ar/4337799 Ayokakesy2023 (talk) 23:12, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:49, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tunku Abdul Hamid Thani

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. No GNG sources. Regarding potential SNG, the only claim is that he is "Tunku Bendaharaof Kedah" Kedah is a state in Malaysia, and there is no mention of that position in that article even though it covers the leadership position in that state in depth. Also could not find anything on that position in a search. North8000 (talk) 22:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - non-sovereign royals need significant coverage like the rest of us mere mortals, not being automatically notable due to WP:POLOUTCOMES. Traditional royalty in Malaysia and the Mindanao region of the Philippines are quite ordinary; I’m friends with a gen-u-wine princess who works as a nurse in Queens, New York. Bearian (talk) 03:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. WP:SNOW. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

South Atlantic conflict

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WP:SYNTH: This article claims that a series of incidents between three nations over the 20th century are actually part of a single long-running conflict. None of the sources used in the article say this. This conflict doesn't exist. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per WP:OR, especifically WP:SYNTH. Concocted subject already covered by List of hostile incidents at the Argentine border. Darius (talk) 01:03, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as OR/SYNTH. Mztourist (talk) 07:18, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
CSD as this is just about the Falklands war. Slatersteven (talk) 10:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Full of OR and SYNTH mess. Garudam ^Talk! 01:09, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom as OR/SYNTH. Donner60 (talk) 20:01, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per OR , WP:MADEUP, and WP:FORK. I’m not sure why this was created. I’ve spent almost two weeks in these countries and represented both Argentina and the UK different years in the Model United Nations, and this was not a thing. Pretty blatant fork. Bearian (talk) 03:06, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:23, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marxist–Leninist Party of Ukraine

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Unsourced since 2009. The external link does not refer to this party, at least per machine translation. Only references I can find to this party are referring or reproducing this article. Smallangryplanet (talk) 20:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - I find nothing at all searching in either Ukrainian or Russian. There was 'Communist Marxist-Leninist Party of Ukraine' founded in 2013 by Leonid Grach [ru], which was clearly another party. --Soman (talk) 10:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - cannot find indication of existence, establishment by Ryabchenkov, etc. Kazamzam (talk) 16:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to The Bamboos (rock band). We've witnessed plenty of drama during the three weeks this AfD has been going on, including multiple appearances under different aliases and IPs by an admitted COI editor. I see a rough consensus that MUSICBIO#C6 is not a magic bullet guaranteeing notability. That said, the proposed redirect is a sensible ATD, and preserves page history, making a selective merger easier, if warranted. Owen× ☎ 21:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shakir Pichler

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Article contains no reliable sources, has been marked as such for over 4 years. I've looked for sources but have been unable to find anything reliable or reputable, Google News, Newspapers and Books turns up nothing at all. Current text is likely original research, possibly advertising - suspicion they've been written by the person the article is about. Also question the notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Halfwaywrong (talk • contribs) 13:12, 12 November 2024

Delete - seems self-promotional, not even 130 results on Google Search. Not much on Google News either, bunch of social media links or brief mentions. starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Starship.paint. and Halfwaywrong.

I was a bit surprised to see this page nominated for deletion out of the blue after its been online since I think 2007 or so.

There are currently About 1,570 results in google for "Shakir Pichler" in quotes and that's not including the extraneous ones if googled without quotes.

The sources are reliable - IMDB for example but I think it could do with some proper formatting perhaps.

I have edited it from time to time when others have added incorrect data as well as removing old social links like myspace from the days of old :) and this page is also linked on various other wiki pages band line-ups and feature films for example.

It's certainly not being used for 'self promotion' in any way but it is factual of someone who has made a worthy contribution to both Australian music as well as Australian and Hollywood feature films so not sure why it was targeted to be honest.

There are a bunch of other credible links I could provide when I have the time and I should edit the page to make it more up to date at some point.

Anyway, again, it's definitely not 'self promotional' just because I made sure it was factual.

I'd love some help in adding all the proper ref links (film credits) (Band credits) and things to make sure it adheres to any changing wiki regulations.

Thank you. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 01:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sexbeatrecords: - allow me to acquaint you with WP:RSP, where you can see that WP:IMDB is in fact generally unreliable. I suggest you find reliable sources to bolster the article. starship.paint (talk / cont) 11:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Starship.paint. Thanks. Wow, I always thought IMDB was highly ranked but good to know.

Every film credited on this wiki page is verifiable on each feature film's official imdb sub page but interesting to know it's not a reliable link even though some of the titles are big Hollywood movies.

Hopefully there are links to each film's official info separately somewhere although I have no idea where to look. The production companies involved perhaps?

WP:RSP does mention that there are exceptions to the unreliable sources. I would have thought that each film's official IMDB entry would be ok? like for one example "Jasper Jones" and then view all cast and crew to see "Shakir Pichler' listed as action vehicles coordinator. etc https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5091014/ Or still not good?

As I mentioned, I'd love to clean up the formatting of this page to adhere to Wiki's best practice. And how to add and format proper inline links...

Thanks again for your quick reply and advice. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 08:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sexbeatrecords: - actually the main concern here is WP:GNG. To put it in a different way, is Shakir Pichler a notable (prominent/important/distinguished) person? Wikipedia does not seek to write entries for everyone on Earth. If Shakir Pichler is notable, reliable sources will write about him. There will be journal articles, books, newspaper articles, magazine articles. It is up to you to prove that Shakir Pichler is notable by receiving reliable source coverage. starship.paint (talk / cont) 08:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of people seem to think so!

Considering how many Australian bands he has played and recorded/released albums with, released music videos aired on shows like ABC RAGE and interviewed multiple times on radio stations like Triple J & then there is the film industry side - considering how many feature films he has been THE action vehicles coordinator of and in also appearing IN some of these films, he should absolutely have a wiki entry that documents and links with these achievements. Bit surprised this is even in contention tbh.

There are lots of newspaper articles regarding Shakir Pichler in those bands in hard copy that go back to the mid 1980's that are not available online. 157.211.92.236 (talk) 12:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
city of sydney library https://library.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/Montage/Music.aspx?keyword=shakir+pichler&method=0&sort=1003&refinements= Sexbeatrecords (talk) 12:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again.

I found 2 pages that speak about Shakir Pichler in The Encyclopedia Of Australian Rock And Pop which is the Oz music Bible for want of a better word.

You are welcome to 'borrow' it for free digitally if you don't have it - the book is mentioned here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia_of_Australian_Rock_and_Pop

You can borrow it here https://openlibrary.org/works/OL2288124W/The_encyclopedia_of_Australian_rock_and_pop

About Shakir Pichler in the kryptonics - page 352

And about Shakir Pichler in The bamboos - page 39

I will keep looking for other links when I have more time. That is a good one. Great book to have too.

Shakir Pichler also mentioned on Whammo encyclopedia in the Bamboos https://web.archive.org/web/20040427212519/http://www.whammo.com.au/encyclopedia.asp?articleid=68

And also in the Kryptonics here https://web.archive.org/web/20040807052007/http://www.whammo.com.au/encyclopedia.asp?articleid=997

These were two VERY important original bands from Perth who toured, released and contributed and pioneered WA's rich musical tapestry of original music nationally and internationally. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 12:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History of Australian music https://historyofaussiemusic.blogspot.com/search?q=kryptonics

Also Nick Sheppard - the guitarist from seminal UK Punk band THE CLASH even mentions Shakir Pichler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Sheppard Sexbeatrecords (talk) 13:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sexbeatrecords: - the whammo sources (which, I believe, are the exact same as the Encyclopedia of Australian Rock and Pop by Ian McFarlane) do not provide WP:SIGCOV significant coverage, they just mention Pichler very briefly: Kryptonics ... Shakir Pichler (drums) / Bamboos ... In 1986, Shakir Pichler replaced Tony Chiallella on drums ... 1987 ... Russell Hopkinson (ex-Vicious Circle) had replaced Pichler on drums. Blogspot is not a reliable source. Wikipedia is not a reliable source. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. An admin Didier Landner very kindly added more references to the page and voted .Keep

There are also hard copy books that mention Shakir Pichler and also a few of his bands.

One is this one https://repressedrecords.com/products/george-matzkov-way-out-west-the-west-australian-pop-rock-blues-music-scene-1960-1979-book-cd which I no longer have for some reason (probably lent it and forgot) .

Also found Shakir's youtube page has a long radio interview with him live on 6UVS-FM (now RTR FM) From Perth 1986! All about the Bamboos and their massive east coast tour which was great to listen to just now! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5fNppILFGY

I have reached out to a friend who may be able to contact Shakir to see if they can get him to send any links we don't know about that would add to his credits or newspaper clippings etc if that is possible to even use if he has them. Shakir was regularly interviewed in Australian newspapers and radio stations but can't seem to find archives easily to show this.

Either way, he is an important part of Australian music history and in everyones opinion who knew his bands would absolutely agree. Yes Indie music is niche and I understand that your may not have heard of him or his bands but that only makes his contributions to Oz music more important to retain as it wasn't commercial mainstream homogenised music that everyone knows. SO wiki is a great way to learn about the WA and Australian live music scene in general.

I have been a fan of his bands since the 80's and still have all his records on vinyl to this day.

I can't vote but thats my 2c anyway :) 157.211.92.236 (talk) 14:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Found a few more via trove. There's too many links to Shakir pichler to sift through though. This will take time.

howlin moondoggies https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20071126223011/http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/44131/20071122-0001/www.amo.org.au/artistedc4.html

The Bamboos paying with Johnny Thunders. https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20200527150202/http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/182658/20200526-1156/australianrockreview.com/2010/11/07/lifting-the-lid-on-the-rockbrat-treasure-chest-johnny-thunders-1986-sydney-gig-adverts/index9657.html

Shakir Pichler mentioned here [1]

About Shakir Pichlers legendary Rosemount Rumble https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20180318110116/http://rosemounthotel.com.au/event/rosemount-rumble-46/

Shakir photo from 1985 Kryptonics here https://www.forcedexposure.com/Artists/KRYPTONICS.html Sexbeatrecords (talk) 15:27, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still lacking WP:SIGCOV for the above links. Howlin' MoonDoggies has one (or if you are charitable, two) sentence on Pichler. Bamboos is some sort of an online comment left by Pichler. Rosemount has one sentence on Pichler. Kyptonics has one sentence on Pichler. The photo is just a photo and does not even mention Pichler. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:22, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Found a digitised newspaper clipping of a big scandal that was reported in quite a few newspapers for some weeks regarding Shakir's scandalous departure from the band 'The Bamboos' mid-tour East coast tour!

From memory, this was big news in the music industry at the time and people still talk about it today. Daily News: Friday October 17th 1986 [2] is one such story. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 22:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Allmusic ref Shakir Pichler in the story about how the Kryptonics formed etc. [3] 157.211.92.236 (talk) 10:01, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delicious Design does offer some coverage on Pichler, but it is essentially this: he quit his band without telling them, and they cancelled their tour. That's all. It's not very much. Allmusic just mentions him thrice. It is not WP:SIGCOV. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also note that Delicious Design is Shakir Pichler's own web development business. Halfwaywrong (talk) 08:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I've add references (McFarlane and Kent) to support subject's membership of two notable bands. Hence, passes Wikipedia:Notability (music)#6 per "is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles".Didier Landner (talk) 05:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent! 157.211.92.236 (talk) 13:12, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not delete!

I am a high school teacher in Perth and Shakir was invited to be a special guest at our Montessori school last year to talk about life in bands and also all the films he worked on and appeared in.

To this day, a year later, the kids all say it was the best day they have had at school!

He showed parts of all the films he worked on as the action vehicles coordinator as well as the parts he also appeared in and then showed us all the music videos of the bands he has played in and then gave a drum performance and some lessons for the kids!

The students have regularly used his Wikipedia page for reference in various home-work and projects since. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.118.65.6 (talk) 02:08, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Anyone wants to take a look at the sources added to the article since nomination?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:38, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - @Vanderwaalforces: - I reviewed all the links in the article as of this version. References 1, 2, 3, 5 do not provide WP:SIGCOV. Reference 4 is an offline book but based on Google Books, the book is a Chronological listing of popular recordings ... Provides information on how many times the recording appeared in the charts and the highest position it reached. It is unlikely that it provides SIGCOV either. This link in the article provides one instance of somewhat SIGCOV but only says that Pichler quit his band unannounced in Sydney, and his band cancelled their tour. The Who's who of Australian rock book is an offline resource and I cannot confirm if there is any SIGCOV. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:44, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let's not forget Shakir Pichler's own project "The Howlin' MoonDoggies" who are known world-wide and released THREE full length albums released internationally, 2 music videos played on numerous commercial free to air stations In Australia ABC, Foxtel Channel V etc, Numerous Triple J (Band of the week) and uni radio station interviews with him as well, and his songs being included in FIVE international compilation albums (I have so far only found links to 3 but there are more).

OR his film career which is also extensive.

For example, he was THE action vehicles coordinator in Australian film 'Jasper Jones' where he single-handedly sourced and even drove in many scenes, all the cars from the period (1960's) the film was set in, which is a huge achievement in itself, let alone all the other feature films he worked on in the same capacity, like he did for the film "1%" for example as well.

I finally received a big thank you message via social media contact - He would like to thank everyone who has been helping source links and tidy up the wiki page. He is actually a Web Designer and said he wishes he could edit his own page (rather than the fumbling job I have done) but really does appreciate what you all have done over the years :)

Shakir Pichler is a notable identity with massive contributions in both the Music and Film industry - Is this really still up for debate? Seems a bit strange. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 23:59, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I was typing the above message I have just been sent a message finally from Shakir via reaching out on his socials.. He also just sent links to some newspaper scans etc which I have now added hopefully in the right place :) Please bear with me if the format isnt perfect and any help would be greatly appreciated so we can make this page good and hopefully put this vote to bed. Much love to the wiki volunteers. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 01:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually his project 'The Howlin Moondoggies' appeared on SIX international compilations and not 5. I actually have them somewhere in my collection I think, so Ill find the rest of the links when I can.. 157.211.92.236 (talk) 07:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In regards to the Who's Who of Australia Rock source - I've found a physical copy for sale, that shows it appears to be basically a list of the bands, members and discography, which I'd argue is not WP:SIGCOV.

I'd also argue that Pichler's contributions to his bands are better served in the articles of those bands. Halfwaywrong (talk) 08:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Looking to the recent links added and they are still not good enough in terms of WP:SIGCOV. One is an undated interview from an unknown publication, apparently of Pichler's former bandmates, who said he quit the band and was beloved by fans before that. Two has a one sentence mention of Pichler, who is said to be part of a band. Three does not even mention Pichler explicitly. Four has a two sentence mention of Pichler and just says that he is new to the band (first time recording with him). Five I have covered before, just says Pichler quit and band ended tour. starship.paint (talk / cont) 08:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Put all this together regardless of if you deem the links 'reliable' (it was a long time ago so it's not easy to get new links obviously so even links that at least show the albums etc regardless of where the links live matter as evidence itself- with everything combined including the film work they are strong evidence of WP:SIGCOV

this is looking like a bit of a witch-hunt to me and starting to wonder why he is being targeted when you need only look at the incredibly long list of achievements. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 09:28, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The albums and film work are primary sources and not independent of the subject. We would not count them as reliable sources, so there is no WP:SIGCOV there. starship.paint (talk / cont) 11:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How are they primary sources? They are not self-published either. If they were this page would be about me (Christine) and I am definitely no one. I don't really understand you point here.

Also, despite you saying wikipedia's official film entries are not a reliable source's even though they independently reflect the same credits as imdb but all the films which credit him on imdb or links have been removed - they are not primary sources so its a bit of a lose lose when battling trying to show evidence of WP:SIGCOV! When things keep getting deleted or 'discredited'.

Again I ask, please look at this holistically for the bigger picture.

I can download and screen-shot every movie at the closing credits with Shakir Pichler's name on it if I have to. Or take photos of every album he has played in and bands he has fronted like The Howlin Moondoggies for example. I don't know what other hoops I can possibly jump to appease this pedantic return-fire.

Identifying and using primary sources requires careful thought and some extra knowledge on the part of Wikipedia's editors.

In determining the type of source, there are three separate, basic characteristics to identify:

Is this source self-published or not? (If so, then see Wikipedia:Identifying and using self-published sources.)

Is this source independent or third-party, or is it closely affiliated with the subject? (For this question, see Wikipedia:Independent sources.)

Is this source primary or not?

Every possible combination of these three traits has been seen in sources on Wikipedia. Any combination of these three traits can produce a source that is usable for some purpose in a Wikipedia article. Identifying these characteristics will help you determine how you can use these sources.

there have been countless radio interviews with JUST Shakir that I know of but can't find online other than the one I did find on youtube. And countless one on one interviews in paper and street mags over the years but unfortunately (I checked archives toay for Drum Media Sydney and Inpress Melbourne) dont go back far enough and miss by about 5 years. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 12:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And please remove that 'original research' warning as it really seems unfounded to say the least.

this is getting way beyond ridiculous now. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 12:28, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:PRIMARY: Primary sources are original materials that are close to an event, and are often accounts written by people who are directly involved ... a scientific paper documenting a new experiment conducted by the author is a primary source for the outcome of that experiment. Pichler's albums are no doubt close to him. Pichler's films are no doubt close to him. Credits do not provide SIGCOV. I did not add the original research warning but there is so much unreferenced material in the article. starship.paint (talk / cont) 12:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

re 'seems self-promotional' - Shakir isn't promoting anything that I can find online other than his web design which is not linked here and his humanitarian work which is also not linked here - all of the info here is simply factual and historic. 157.211.92.236 (talk) 06:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Curious how you are aware of Pichler's humanitarian work. 157.211.92.236, curious how all of your 19 edits so far are all regarding Pichler. Curious how all of the 51 edits of Sexbeatrecords so far are all regarding Pichler, even including a 16-year break from Wikipedia broken by this nomination of this article for deletion. Curious how, at File:Shakir Pichler.jpg, Sexbeatrecords uploaded the image as the "copyright holder" of the "self-made" image whose author is "Shakir Pichler". starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What are you even saying? When I met Shakir ONCE, many years ago we were chatting about the 16 Australian band compilation he released on his then record label 'Sexbeat' called "skunk & disorderly" which to this day is one of my favourite albums that had a great review in UK Kerrang magazine that I used to subscribe to when I lived in UK and I asked what his next release will be and his answer was 'never doing that again as it was a huge task' and that he is closing the label down. I then said "I would love to continue it if he is going to throw it away and he surprisingly said "It's yours if you want it!" and gave me permission to have it. Although, ashamedly I have done nothing with it.

I did have some partners who had big plans and we created Shakir's wiki page and were systematically adding all bands on that label at the time but life got in the way.

So I got a notification recently that his wiki page was up for deletion and I was shocked so yes, its probably been 16 years since I made any edits.

When I finally got through to Shakir last week via his socials as we weren't connected at the time so the messages were in 'requests', he was surprised to hear from me and said he hadn't looked at what was on his page in over a decade.

H e thanked me and when I asked if he could help he said he can't edit his own page and he doesn't even have a wiki account but if there's anything I need to just ask and he will try to send whatever when he has time.

The image I uploaded was public from his socials and I don't know what I clicked as far as copyright but its free to use from the horses mouth. Public image.

As for his humanitarian work - its ALL OVER his Instagram! He helps organise anti genocide rallies for Palestine, Lebanon, congo etc and looking at his own web design page deliciousdesign.com.au he also made the not for profit FOPWA.ORG page for free.

SO what I'm curious about is why you seem so determined to remove him. I know some people on the wrong side of history go about things this way intentionally. Not saying you are one of them.

I and many people in WA would be sad to see this page deleted and feel his contributions to both music and film are more than worthy of having a page here.

He again said he wishes he could help me as he is a web designer but doesn't want to touch the page but thankful again to all who are supporting it. That's why my edits are pretty messy, so apologies for that. Hopefully a nice editor will tidy a bit when they have time.

Christine. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 02:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and stubify. Clearly meets criteria 6 of WP:MUSICBIO as the drummer for Kryptonics and The Bamboos; both bands of which are covered in encyclopedias. However, the WP:OR and WP:COI issues need to be addressed. I am going to be WP:BOLD and stubify the article to address those issues.4meter4 (talk) 22:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @4meter4, many thanks for helping to clean up the Shakir Pichler page (sincerely appreciate your time! - however, I feel the removal of all the Bands, and releases plus the removal of all the feature films completely detracts the point of providing the most important information about him.

Originally each film had a link to each films (official) IMDB link which credits him.. I was then told imdb is deemed unreliable (but there are exceptions) - The bands and album releases were linked to multiple external music catalogue sites or record label sites.

Unfortunately I'm not a web designer like Shakir is and he won't touch the wiki page so I really need some help getting those 2 category lists back with links that wiki editors will accept.

Just calling out in case you could possibly help in this respect. I'm sure you are busy but wiping out all of that makes the page pretty much 'nothing'.

Happy to remove all the extraneous text info on him though and just list the achievements as I feel they really need to be there.

Some schools have literally used his page for information on the arts but now there is nothing there to reference.

Thanks in advance for any help on this. :)

Christine <3 Sexbeatrecords (talk) 23:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4Perhaps you could restore the bands and releases plus the film credits in a different section that wont be challenged for 'unreliable sources' (Official films IMDB for example) despite them all being 100% factual? Can that be created? Again, many thanks for what I'm sure is your precious time. :) C. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 05:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly meets criteria 6 of WP:MUSICBIO - yes, he does. But WP:MUSICBIO also says: Musicians ... may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria. "may be notable" is not "is notable". starship.paint (talk / cont) 10:14, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to The Bamboos (rock band). Whilst he was a member of two notable bands both were relatively short term and first was outside of the Kryptonics main period of note. Main thing of not here would be dogging his band mid tour. Not worth a stand alone article. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Duffbeerforme "dog act" ? Sounds a bit biased and personal without any of knowledge of the actual situation or reason for such a drastic thing he felt he had to do at that time. Perhaps interview him and find out what really happened that day for him to make such a drastic decision. Do yu know him? I feel you may have anterior motives after that comment.

Sounds like a personal problem you may have with him to me!

Shakir was a FOUNDING MEMEBR of the Kryptonics and in the band when they did their seminal work.. First ever shows, Record deal. 2 Singles and a music video.

He was in the band for 4 years if you read up on it - they were jamming for years before ever playing live.. He started underage with them.

And the other bands like The Howlin Moondoggies which was HIS PROJECT, released THREE studio albums, 2 music videos televised on multiple channels and music shows and appeared on SIX international compilations in USA, UK, JAPAN.. all due to his work and him drumming, writing, producing, promoting and managing his band..

He also played drums in all-star band "The Terraces" with members from Rose Tattoo, One Way System, Horse-UK and The CLASH.

Not to mention all the other bands he has played, toured and recorded with and not to mention the long list of feature films he has worked on as head action vehicles coordinator, stuntman, art department and even appeared in.

Some of which were big Hollywood films ie: Mission Impossible 2( Terrible movie though) and Ghost Rider (slightly less terrible) and some of the best iconic Australian films to date. Jasper Jones for example (Check imdb link)

His page deserves to be here on the merits of what one Western Australian has achieved in the arts alone.

WA is very proud of their arts achievers and he is right up there doing us proud.

Don't be a hater. its unattractive to say the least and doesn't make you look good. Sexbeatrecords (talk) 00:24, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes Sexbeat, or should I call you Shakir, "dog act" was a bad call, that's why I changed my comment. Before your reply I see. No-one is buying your claim that you just met him once and subsequently ~~dedicated your life to him~~ spent so much time and effort here for a simple Wikipedia page. Please stop bludgeoning with run of the mill claims. Simply show us some in depth coverage or give it a rest. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Duffbeerforme She (as disclosed on her talk page) isn't Shakir but is in contact with him through e-mail as disclosed on his talk page. There is a WP:COI relationship but I think her heart is in the right place. Be kind. I 'm trying to coach her on our policies in regards to no original research, sourcing, notability, and encyclopedic tone. There is a big learning curve when you are new to wikipedia. Best.4meter4 (talk) 15:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that duffbeerforme's remarks are going a bit too far. The bludgeoning and rambling comments are annoying and unhelful, but there is no reason to belittle another user with comments like subsequently dedicated your life to him. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 04:05, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much @4meter4 for you compassion and offer of help teach me if/when you have time... someone banned my sexbeat account on the completely false accusation that I was promoting it. A non existent entity.*there is no sexbeat records label and hasn't been for decades now and I have never posted links to anything that tries to sell anything, or self promote as there is nothing to sell. When I 'took it over' it was just that he said he has finished with it and I said can I use the name and he said sure. simple as that. That was almost 20 years ago and I have only JUST gotten in touch now because of this. he uploaded that pnews clipping but said he deesnt have time to mess around re wiki nor was he very interested in it.

I have just come on here to say, apologies if my responses were annoying or bludgeoning?

Yes, I am not an experienced Wiki editor or very web tech savy tbh other than social media I guess and I honestly thought my "ramblings' were required to try to help explain reasoning behind links and further information I have been frantically digging up regarding Shakir Pichler. I probably annoyed HIM the most.. Hopefully not.

I will no longer comment or edit unless asked a specific question directed at me and I won't edit anything else.

I still hope someone can reverse/rescue the biography section in a concise way of listing his releases of music and contributions to film some time if anyone feels they would like to help.

Thanks again for the editors who HAVE been patient with me and apologies again if I have not understood the correct approach to all this. I guess no one is about to put me up for 'wiki editor' position any time soon LOL

All the best

Christine. ChristineBamtonics (talk) 05:33, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You the person are blocked, not just your account. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 15:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If you are trying to claim that you are not promoting then perhaps you should not say you were promoting. "I did have some partners who had big plans and we created Shakir's wiki page and were systematically adding all bands on that label at the time but life got in the way." duffbeerforme (talk) 13:30, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clutching at straws much? That was 20 years ago! none of those bands even exist now! And I didnt do that. 157.211.88.80 (talk) 23:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I think you missunderstoond or more likely I didn't explain my reply properly when I said 20 years ago i wanted to systematically add all bands.. I was meaning create their own independent wiki pages.. not a label promotion or any type of ecommerce links to promote sales in ANY way. Merely to try to take over want Shakir had first started in order to try to help the Australian music scene. *I'm not interested in any of that these day and just for the record. and even then, I didn't end up even doing that. ChristineBamtonics (talk) 03:47, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The overwhelming and longtime consensus is that IMbD is an unreliable source, especially for living persons. It’s also surprisingly easy to get a page - even my partner of 17 years has one, as do many of my acquaintances. Substantively, everyone in 2024 understands that not everyone gets an article on Wikipedia; anyone who’s literally read three or more articles will see IMDB in the “external links” section, not the reference section. To claim ignorance is unserious. A lot of the sources are questionable. We’re now looking for major radio, television, newspapers, and similar media. I don’t see anything like that here. Bearian (talk) 03:15, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whilst I agree that IMDB can be unreliable especially with just a user page anyone can add, do you honestly think all the films Shakir has been credited in on their official single IMDB film pages production companies would put up with people adding unreliable names and information to, and that information being there for YEARS? Not for one second!

WIkipedia itself even states that although IMDB is generally regarded as an unreliable source, there ARE exceptions and I'd say official film pages would be a classic example of such an exception.

While it's difficult sourcing information from the 1080's, There have been Newspaper clippings scanned and added here.

There has been major radio (6uvs/RTRfm) interview with Shakir posted here.

I am currently hunting for the Triple-J interviews with him but they don't seen to have archives that go back to early 2000 or late 90's whenever it was.

Of course 'not everyone should have a wiki page!)

But also not everyone has over 15 film credits to their name and I'm not talking about home movies here, I'm talking about big Australian iconic films and big Hollywood feature films too.

And not everyone has played in 10 or so bands and recorded with most of them and had varied success locally and internationally in the alternative music scene. The Bamboos, for example, made it to I think it was number 3 on the USA alternative college charts with one of the recordings he played on called "Snuff" which was also one of their music videos easily searched for with him on drums.

I Wish Shakir still had his website as that had all of the original articles and scans back in the day and I don't want to have to annoy him by messaging him on social media if he can upload them somewhere or if he still has them.

Maybe you could put each of the film's official IMDB pages in the 'external links' area and not in his bio area where it subject to 'selective Wiki scrutiny' was before it was all recently removed?

Shakir is a Perth and East coast alternative music ICON who has also made an impressive mark in the feature film industry. I wouldn't call that an 'anyone can have a page'. situation. 157.211.89.132 (talk) 05:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Christine, when you created the Shakir Pichler page, you wrote that Pichler was in a relationship with a person called Christine. Is that you? Seems like too much of a coincidence to not be.

To be clear, again, all anyone is asking for is proof of notability and significant coverage of the person. Simply stating the same things over and over isn't helping, it's WP:BLUDGEONING.

My suggestion to you would be to take the research you've done and the knowledge you have of Pichler and get it published somewhere yourself. Halfwaywrong (talk) 10:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, unfortunately not this Christine! I couldn't remember that fact and had to read your history link but it was an interesting early edit to read from an interview back then although too much personal information and waffle content I reckon.

I THINK now from memory being jogged, that Christine was Chrisntina from Germany but pretty hazy memory of that as it was just an incidental segway as to why he moved to Spain.

I only remember he used to be actress Rebekah Elmaloglou's partner for quite a few years (had to look up her spelling). They were often seen dodging paparazi in Sydney and seen on red carpet events together at the time.

As for wp:bludgeoning - does it not work both ways when WIki editors make ridiculous claims or neglect or twist or delete key information or report and block an account for a complete and proven in chat history, lie of 'promoting'?

Which has now happened. Then 'sock puppetry' which wasn't the intention to deceive, as I immediately said this is a new account. And it was an innocent mistake as I didn't realise I couldnt make a new one, and from there I thought the general consensus was ok keep hat one and lose the old one. But then a new editor nuked that one too so Im not making any more accounts but I guess I can at least comment at this point.

The 'you are welcome to join in the AFD discussion - but I guess only if you agree to everything the wiki gods say even if it is abusive, or untrue, or twisted?

Should the challenged editor of an AFD not try to explain any justification of why a page should stay that people who know nothing about the subject matter or person could benefit from knowing?

But wow, what a 'fun' experience this has been.

There have been some incredibly generous helpful editor comments here too thankfully but seriously some are invoking images in my head of the incel comic book guy from the simpsons living in their mothers basements and its tarting to get creeped out.

I would think that someone who has played with members of the Clash, Rose Tattoo, One Way System, You Am I plus his own bands would be unquestionably 'notable' for just those reasons alone.

Maybe I should try stand-up comedy and get my own wiki page.. maybe not. Goodnight. 157.211.89.132 (talk) 14:17, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added a few new scans at the top of the 'further reading' section of interviews with Shakir from Australian and UK magazines regarding his project and band The Howlin' MoonDoggies that should hopefully show his notability WP:SIGCOV. If anyone feels like adding inline citations using those scans in the bio section or references section then please do? Thanks in advance.

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The result was redirect‎ to Sky Sport (Italy)#Sky Sport Calcio. Owen× ☎ 20:48, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sky Sport Serie A

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Zero references other than their own website. North8000 (talk) 20:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I can't even verify that this was ever a TV Channel. The 'source' provided is just the Serie A section of the Sky website. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Sky Italia#Sky Sport and Sky Calcio – Is also a valid WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 09:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and marge but to Sky Sport (Italy), sorry Svartner but I feel my suggestion would be a better redirect target. @GiantSnowman: redirect?? Cheap?? Govvy (talk) 10:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reply Spiderone It was rebranded to Sky sport calcio, regards, Govvy (talk) 10:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, I'm not opposed to redirecting to your suggestion. Svartner (talk) 17:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, happy with a redirect! Giant Snowman 19:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per Govvy Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Sky Sport (Italy)#Sky Sport Calcio Actual article content here is nonsense from a globally-locked account which reads like Google Translate polling ChatGPT for some reason (unlike the infobox saying this is a UK-based channel, it's Italian); this is a real channel, but it mainly only carries soccer-related content. Nate • (chatter) 01:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 20:45, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of websites with country access restrictions

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This list has never been properly maintained, is unclear in scope, and contains an entry that does not exist anymore. Independent sourcing may not really exist for specific websites. To the extent that specific countries have known internet restrictions, these topics are better covered in country-specific articles. Alyo (chat·edits) 20:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: There are country specific article about internet censorship also available and article about specific software also available and topic of censorship can be added there.––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 20:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete because the specific "censorship by ..." country articles are enough for this purpose. Shankargb (talk) 03:58, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Shankargb's comment. Encoded Talk 💬 14:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 20:44, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan C. Clark

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The article fails to meet the WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO criteria. It relies heavily on a single primary source, which is not considered reliable for verifying notability. I did a google search and found no significant independent coverage of the subject in third-party sources per WP:SIGCOV. The subject has not made any notable contributions or achievements that would justify an article. ZyphorianNexus (talk) 19:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Only one source available reference that loaded biography of subject. The whole summary is that the subject is only known for an incident.––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 20:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Article creator tried doing the same with Emily Jane Hilscher. Procyon117 (talk) 15:22, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, since Hilscher got redirected, I also wouldn't be opposed to a redirect either. Procyon117 (talk) 17:33, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Owen× ☎ 20:44, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Beidu

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Already a disambiguation page exist as Beidou (disambiguation). kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 19:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: This refers to 北都, meaning "northern capital" in Chinese (and presumably also Japanese and Korean). The equivalent disambiguation pages are zh:北都 and ja:北都. Both contain quite a few more entries than we have here. I will try to expand this and ask that it be kept once I do. Toadspike [Talk] 21:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just realized that the Japanese entries are more appropriate at Hokuto. I've added a link in the See also section. This means my additions are complete. Toadspike [Talk] 22:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I added three Beidus found in other existing pages. Geschichte (talk) 21:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, probably good enough now Geschichte (talk) 16:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. I've added all the entries from zhwiki, and Geschichte has added some mentions from here on enwiki. This is now a valid, useful DAB page. Toadspike [Talk] 21:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per additions by Toadspike. Procyon117 (talk) 15:14, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Guerrilla warfare - selectively, for well-sourced content. Owen× ☎ 20:42, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Insurgency weapons and tactics

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Seems to be WP:SYNTH in my view. It lists various weapons and tactics once used by insurgent groups, but lacks a clear definition of what qualifies as an "insurgency weapon" or tactic. The ultimate answer appears to be "anything that's lying around", making the idea overly vague. A large portion of the article is original research. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The topic is inherently WP:OR, as it's hard to see how any weapon or tactic is necessarily linked to insurgent groups. I suppose some of the properly-sourced material could be merged with Improvised weapon or Guerrilla warfare, but I'm not seeing how anything in this article is specific to insurgencies except in the author's mind. WP:TNT at the very least; as it stands, the article is a bunch of disturbingly-well-researched violence porn. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 21:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete given the vast range of types of insurgencies, weapons and tactics, I don't see how any useful encyclopaedic page can be created on this topic. Mztourist (talk) 07:22, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think a merge to guerrilla warfare would be a reasonable alternative to deleting. Bearian (talk) 03:19, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Mostly per Mztourist. Also, many of these "weapons and tactics" are not in any way unique to insurgencies. The page could create a false equivalency or incorrect perception. Intothat darkness 12:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 20:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Theatre III

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Does not pass WP:GNG - sources are all trivial coverage or non-independent. Prod was contested by the article author. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:22, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Nothing but primary sources and namedrops. Fails the GNG, and doesn't come within a country mile of WP:ORG. Fascinating how the deprodding rationale was "see talk," without any discussion actually surfacing on the article's Talk page. Ravenswing 19:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was in the edit comment of the talk page (see history). It said:

There are a number of other small articles on community theaters in the Boston area, e.g. Arlington Friends of the Drama and The Footlight Club.

Those articles are similar in scope and references to the one being considered. Tmshortt (talk) 01:49, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are many articles about the theater in local newspapers (Lowell Sun and (Acton) Assabet Valley Beacon) (via newspaperarchive.com) from the 1970s, but then the articles dry up. There's very little recent coverage as local papers are shutdown/acquired. Tmshortt (talk) 02:07, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Promotional article about WP:MILL community theater group. Refs are mostly to their own website or tangential info about their location. No notable people involved. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, there are no citable (online or otherwise) references for notable people who were involved with the theater, which includes both Alexandra Socha and Chris Evans. Tmshortt (talk) 01:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As far as the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument you make, those two articles you cite make referenced assertions of notability. There are also references which meet WP:GNG's requirement of significant coverage of the subject, which none of the references in this article come remotely close to meeting. If, indeed, there are reliable sources out there providing such coverage, they must be produced, not merely inferred.
As far as notable people involved with the theater, WP:NOTINHERITED debars notability by association. With that, though, there's a basic principle: if you cannot produce the necessary references, then an article on the subject cannot be sustained. Ravenswing 17:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Very weak keep per sources provided. Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:36, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 20:36, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cold weapon

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Fails WP:DICDEF, possibly WP:NEO. Was recreated after a successful AfD to redirect the page earlier. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, although I'd also be ok with some kind of redirect if consensus goes that way. I'm more familiar with either melee weapon or hand to hand weapon for this kind of thing, and it might lead to confusion with Cold Gun (which is a very common term in the shooting community for a firearm that is not loaded). Intothat darkness 18:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:GNG and lacks RS. Page seems to have been persistently recreated. Mztourist (talk) 07:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per nom. Nurg (talk) 08:41, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 20:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Palmetto High School fight

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Fails WP:LASTING (the single burst of coverage was when the mom was arrested), fights happen all the time, what makes this one different? E_F⁵ 17:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:NEVENT fail. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Fail WP:EVENT. Fights between students are a dime-a-dozen. When I was in high school, football games didn't count if there were less than three fights under the bleachers during the game. - Donald Albury 19:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Time to let it to rest. Geschichte (talk) 21:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'm sure these now 30 year-old women would be chagrined that this article exists and the tone of the article body violates WP:BLP deeply; I really do feel like I've participated in an AfD involving this same incident in the past and it was deleted based on that consensus, I just wouldn't remember what it was called. Nate • (chatter) 01:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. A high school fight on Wikipedia? Seriously? Procyon117 (talk) 15:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This isn't just any fight. It's a case of child abuse that should teach something about parenting and how schools should handle things like this. What makes this particular incident stand out is the fact that one of the girls' mothers was involved, cheering on her daughter instead of breaking up the fight, which is basically contributing to the delinquency of a minor. It's because of this that the altercation drew significant media coverage and the mother faced charges even though nobody got hurt during the incident. Again, this was beyond a simple high school fight and speaks to us about the responsibilities of parents and schools. Jake Choke (talk) 00:25, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

“Contributing to the delinquency of a minor” and “this was beyond a simple high school fight” mean nothing if the event isn’t notable. E_F⁵ 00:26, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are the page creator, so understandably would like to keep this, but have a read of WP:EVENT which says An event is presumed to be notable if it has lasting major consequences or affects a major geographical scope, or receives significant non-routine coverage that persists over a period of time. Coverage should be in multiple reliable sources with national or global scope. There is no WP:LASTING coverage of this. Your sense of it may be exaggerated by your closeness to the situation, but it is really not that unusual and not at all significant. It is, at most, a footnote that could belong in another page, but I would probably revet it even from the school page if I saw it. There is nothing encyclopaedic here, and all your sources are primary (news reporting of the event). That is not an encyclopaedic article (a tertiary source) - you are writing a history (secondary source) and an argument that this is a significant case of child abuse is your own thesis, which is original research. This one will not be kept, and neither should it be. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:01, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment As I said before, these women are now thirty, and a very issue in their childhood shouldn't be following them into middle age, especially one where neither of them could possibly consent to the footage being released. Before everyone had a recording device, nobody would have cared. Nobody cares now about it in 2024, and the girls deserve peace at this point. Nate • (chatter) 02:25, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Fails WP:EVENT. Imagine if every high school fight gets an article on Wikipedia? I don't see any reason why this is worthy of notice. ZyphorianNexus (talk) 03:03, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've explained above why it is. Jake Choke (talk) 04:54, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fact you want to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS does not make this fight notable. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Non-notable fight, fails WP:EVENT. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Switchflicker Records

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It is a PR article created by the company itself as implied from creator's user name. Since Ting Tings was only a client/artist who at one point in their life was associated to them, it's not an appropriate re-direct target. Therefore, the appropriate remedy to this run of the mill non-notable company is to delete. Graywalls (talk) 16:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Source 1 is not WP:INDEPENDENT of the subject, Sources 2 + 3 barely mention Switchflicker Records, Source 4 is from a WP:USERGENERATED source, and source 6 never even mentions the name "Switchflicker" and instead supports the fact that the Ting Tings signed with Columbia Records. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 23:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Cited materials are directed for Ting ting, not for the subject directly. even though the subject is mentioned, but not indepth.––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 19:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Psychopathic Records#Psychopathic Video. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of films released by Psychopathic Video

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Unreferenced for 10 years, most of the releases are hardly notable except for about four of them that can be mentioned at Psychopathic Records#Psychopathic Video. WP:NOTCATALOG --wooden superman 14:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge back into Psychopathic Records#Psychopathic Video but that article being a B-class rather long article, the merge should be discussed on talk page and if judged unnecessary then Keep per WP:SPLITLIST. Sources can be added and unsourced material removed but that seems to be a cleanup issue.-Mushy Yank. 22:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge back into Psychopathic Records#Psychopathic Video.4meter4 (talk) 02:35, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 20:29, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Begich (author)

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All of the sources I tried to verifty appear dead links, and this has only just been created. Slatersteven (talk) 16:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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comment It wasn't actually just created. It was created in 2011; "kept" in 2011 AfD; merged to HAARP in 2013; the merge/redirect was undone 26 Nov 2024 (probably why so many links are dead). Schazjmd (talk) 17:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Odd as it had the new article tags. Slatersteven (talk) 17:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And it seems to be his notability seems to stem from 2 books. Slatersteven (talk) 17:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No need to merge since everything relevant about him is already at the HAARP page. Simonm223 (talk) 19:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I looked over the article when my watchlist notified me the old merge/redirect had been undone (26 Nov 2024). I don't see reliable sources that demonstrate notability to meet WP:BIO. Seems like a WP:ONEEVENT situation, and everything relevant to that is already covered at HAARP conspiracy theories. - LuckyLouie (talk) 21:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I reverted the redirection because it took place unilaterally after a "keep" result at AfD, and one person on the talk page objected to it being redirected with no discussion or consensus so it should have been reverted at the time. I'm fine with the redirect to HAARP being reinstated, but figured that this should happen after a discussion rather than on the whims of one editor. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 23:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I ran IAbot on this, with the results "Rescuing 2 sources and tagging 0 as dead." Running IAbot to rescue broken links as part of the AfD process is usually a good idea. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 23:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- whilst I didn't originally have a position here and only restored the article for procedural reasons, having had a search it appears that there are several sources independently covering Begich and particularly his business ventures with his son (I have added some to the article), which is probably sufficient notability to be worthy of an article. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 02:26, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
None of which appear to be in the article. IN fact (according to the article) all he has ever done is published 2 fringe books, appeared on some Frine media shows and stood as a fringe candidate in elections. Slatersteven (talk) 09:22, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am surprised to see that among the cited sources, most are actually about Begich's father or his son. If he only gets passing mention in stories about other people and things, that is a pretty good indication he's not notable on his own. - LuckyLouie (talk) 13:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Seems to be only notable for his relationship to well-known Alaskan politicians and for his promotion of HAARP. If he's already covered in the HAARP article (and presumably mentioned in his brother/father's articles), then that seems adequate to me. EasyAsPai (talk)
Delete for the reason noted above, already sufficiently covered in the HAARP article Conspiracies theories section. It has to be further noted that Nick Begich is only the co-author of Angels Don't Play this HAARP. The other author is Jeane Manning, who has a longer list of published books. 5Q5|^✉ 13:14, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now with father uncle 2 brothers & son all having links and who knows what else he may be up to.71.105.190.91 (talk) 06:47, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep‎ - no valid deletion criterion brought up in the nomination. Feel free to renominate at any time. Owen× ☎ 20:10, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of current Combate Global fighters

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Promotion barely exists nowadays and is not very relevant HeinzMaster (talk) 16:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Procedural keep A personal judgement call about a promotion's relevance is not a proper reason for deletion. Nate • (chatter) 17:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect‎ to Imran Khan. Owen× ☎ 20:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tyrian White case

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Unfortunately, this case has been dismissed by the high court and no proceeding was started. We don't create articles just based on news. Fails WP:GNG. Gheus (talk) 16:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Imran Khan as this seems to fail WP:EVENT but there is likely related information on the root page. Simonm223 (talk) 19:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Imran Khan Fails notability on its own. Redirect as per WP:ATD. Wikibear47 (talk) 17:42, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A frivolous non-notable case, root of information already exists on relevant pages of Imran Khan. Muneebll (talk) 09:27, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:TNT - I can’t even understand what this is about. Bearian (talk) 03:23, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete‎ per WP:A7 Fathoms Below (talk) 21:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Imtiaz Ahmed (student)

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Article Fails [WP:GNG]] and WP:BIO. Nxcrypto Message 15:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: A kid in the 8th grade, that does what exactly? Appears to be an activist, which could mean just about anything... Delete for any sort of notability. I might even have speedy deleted this. Oaktree b (talk) 16:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete this article is a hoax. The sources don't say anything about him. It was created by Imtiaz101, a new account. The subject's name is same as the account's name leads me to think that it is probably created by the subject itself. Mehedi Abedin 17:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete. Tagged under A7 since subject isn't notable and there isn't any credible indication of notability. CycloneYoris ^talk! 21:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Operation Santa Claus where the subject is already featured, as a reasonable ATD. Owen× ☎ 20:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Santa (2005 film)

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In my WP:BEFORE I failed to find anything of substance, in reliable sources, to meet WP:NFILM. All I could find was run-of-the-mill database entries and newspaper TV listings. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 15:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: hardly anything for this version, most sources mention the Jack Black film of the same name. This is about all I could find [4] and it's hardly enough. Oaktree b (talk) 16:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'll take a look - offhand the article is a bit confusing, considering that they talk about it like it's a movie and a TV show. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 17:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Netural comment (for now) This seems to actually be an hour-long TV special rather than a film (note the Clay Aiken appearance likely tied into his Idol run at the time). Nate • (chatter) 17:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like it's a reality show where celebrities give children stuff, from what I can see. So it's not a movie. I'm also uncertain if the "season 2" is actually a sequel or if it's an unrelated show with the same idea. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 19:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like this was heavily tied into the Operation Santa Claus initiative, so we could probably do a selective merge into that article. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 19:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Operation Santa Claus. There wasn't really much fanfare about this show. It was announced along with the CD, but no one really reported on it beyond announcements that it would air. There are no reviews and no info about how it fared in ratings, nor any info about the production process, all of which would be needed for it to pass the notability guidelines for TV shows. I've done some selective merging of the info into the main article for OSC since the children were chosen from the initiative and a related CD was sold at the USPS. As far as the 2006 version goes, I can't find any mention of this beyond air times and a handful of celebrity names. There's no confirmation that it was a sequel or even that it was related to OSC. The summary at IMDb mentions the USPS (but not OSC), but that's not a RS. It's most likely related, but I'm leery about adding it without at least some mention somewhere that would be seen as reliable on Wikipedia. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 19:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 14:56, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kop (album)

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One of many uncited Turkish albums which I mentioned to the albums project this one was tagged uncited over 5 years ago. I searched but it does not seem notable. Turkish article is also uncited. Unfortunately the Turkey project is only semi-active. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:NALBUM. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. ✗plicit 14:55, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vicky Zahed

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Fails our notability criteria – doesn't meet WP:CREATIVE. Ratekreel (talk) 13:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Sources 1 and 7 are RS and are about this individual and some of their handy work, I think it's ok. Oaktree b (talk) 21:43, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep: Reference no. 1 and 7 are fine. Baqi:) (talk) 14:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Weak, but the subject has received moderate coverage which is sufficient to support a stand-alone entry per WP:BARE. Also, the article is WP:POORLY.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 14:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Metco 308

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Unnotable. A ton of bricks 14:22, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Only catalog listings and minor mentions in articles about different subjects (e.g. [5]) were found. Not notable. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 21:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:53, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fox, Indiana

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I'm not sure what Baker means by "this village was apparently never platted," but in any case the maps and aerials show yet another rail spot/late pre-RFD post office. Baker also says that it was originally called "Fox Station", which leads to the same conclusion: a town never actually happened here. Mangoe (talk) 14:19, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Clearly just a onetime post office and/or rail waypoint, not a community. Interestingly, the 2019 USGS topo says there is a "Fox Station Airport" nearby: [6], quite a grandiose name for a strip of mowed grass in a farm field, which is what shows up in the satellite view. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 21:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No evidence this was ever really a community. FOARP (talk) 20:15, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete per G7 by BusterD. (non-admin closure)‎ Shellwood (talk) 16:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Mahmudur R Manna

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Article in its current state seems quite promotional (linking directly to all of their works), and based on the edit history is most likely an autobiography. A WP:BEFORE didn't bring up much - the subject writes for bdnews24.com, but seemingly nothing noteworthy has been written about them. Tessaract2^Hi! 13:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Please feel free to delete. My intention is based on online strengthening of my works presence, which in root a promotional intention. Manna Mahmud (talk) 14:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Note that the main author has speedy'd the article themselves, so this can now be closed. Tessaract2^Hi! 15:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Mezarkabul. ✗plicit 01:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trail Blazer (album)

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One of many uncited Turkish albums which I mentioned to the albums project last month this one was tagged uncited 15 years ago. I searched but there are others with the same name. Unfortunately the Turkey project is only semi-active but hopefully someone from the metal project will know better than me if it is notable Chidgk1 (talk) 14:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I was not able to find material in reliable music magazines, searching for both their band names. I think I could be able to write up one of their later albums, but not this one. I did get hits in Google Books. Geschichte (talk) 16:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A redirect to Mezarkabul seems appropriate here. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want to edit and update all articles of the Mezarkabul band with their references. gokhantig (talk) 20:24, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which references? Do you have Turkish ones? Geschichte (talk) 21:24, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect. Doesn't look like a lot of coverage out there for any of this band's albums. Ss112 19:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Turpachita

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There is no such village in Kyrgyzstan. Most likely, they meant a mountain pass Турпачаты. Mitte27 (talk) 11:01, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or Redirect to Osh Region. Article cites no sources. Available sources on the internet do not seem to establish notability and therefore fails WP:GNG TNM101 (chat) 11:29, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It might be more correct to redirect to the article Pamir-Alay. Mitte27 (talk) 11:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at OpenStreetMap shows a hamlet with the name турпачаты, though it's not very large and I can't otherwise confirm it. GNG also isn't the guideline for villages - we just need to prove they exist, which will be hard in this instance. SportingFlyer T·C 07:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Pamir-Alay – As WP:ATD per Mitte27, with is more accurate. Svartner (talk) 04:39, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. We can’t verify if this is a human settlement or a mountain pass. Bearian (talk) 03:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I don't agree with redirecting it as it is not mentioned at the target and we do not even know whether it's an human settlement or if it even exists at all.. - Ratnahastin (talk) 00:32, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - There's a single farm at the location and nothing else. Certainly no evidence of an actual community. No need to redirect what appears to be a mispelling of the word for mountain pass to anything. Contrary to what SportingFlyer says above, it is not sufficient to "prove they exist" to get a WP:GEOLAND#1 pass, instead you have to show legal recognition of the settlement. The only source here is Maplandia, which is not reliable. PS - based on postings on Instagram on this account about the Guest House Orozgul, the village further down the valley may be called Sary-Mogul FOARP (talk) 20:18, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:05, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rolf-Peter Horstmann

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Despite notable achievements in German academia, the article seems to lack any indication of having WP:PROF criteria, i.e. notable citation etc. Xpander (talk) 10:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: He probably meets WP:AUTHOR, if nothing else. Here and here are published reviews of his Cambridge Elements book on Kant; here is a review of his translation of Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil; here is a review of his recent book with Paul Guyer. I've not searched for reviews of his various German books. Josh Milburn (talk) 12:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, his professorship meets criterion C5. Note that the German system doesn't have the plethora of named chairs found in the US system, but a full professor and Dekan in a good German university is of at least comparable level. Elemimele (talk) 12:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I'm puzzled at this editor's behaviour in creating this article and then immediately asking at AfD for it to be deleted. If there is a sincere desire to delete, then I would have actioned a WP:G7 given the trivial nature of the edits of others. But now we're here, I agree with J Milburn that WP:AUTHOR is likely to be met, and with Elemimele that WP:PROF is probably met in the chair at Humboldt University of Berlin; additionally, looking at Google Scholar, top citations appear to be 221, 89, 69, 65, 56, which seems reasonably healthy for someone writing predominantly in German in a low-citation field. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:31, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Espresso Addict, I tried this since it didn't violate any clear guidelines. To learn better how articles are evaluated on AfD. One can learn a lot from fresh new and professional perspectives. Best. Xpander (talk) 11:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There are plenty more reviews of his non-English books. Some are edited volumes rather than authored works but still I think he passes WP:AUTHOR. Reviews of Seminar: Dialektik in der Philosophie Hegels: [7] [8]. Reviews of Ontologie und Relationen: [9] [10]. Review of Hegels Philosophie der Natur: [11]. Reviews of Hegels Logik der Philosophie: [12] [13]. Review of Transcendental Arguments and Science: [14] [15]. Review of Die Grenzen der Vernunft: [16]. Review of Theorie der Subjektivität: [17]. Review of Zweifel und Gewissheit: [18]. Review of Les frontières de la raison: [19]. Review of Hegels vorphänomenologische Entwürfe zu einer Philosophie der Subjektivität in Beziehung auf die Kritik an den Prinzipien der Reflexionsphilosophie: [20]. Review of Hegels Philosophie des Rechts: [21]. Review of Rousseau, die Revolution und der junge Hegel: [22]. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Subject definitely passes WP:AUTHOR with various WP:SIGCOV. Kaizenify (talk) 10:56, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Mojo Hand (talk) 13:24, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Varun Ahuja

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Fails WP:NM or WP:COMPOSER, I searched about the subject but didn't find much substantial information (WP:BEFORE). The Hindustan Times article stands out as slightly better and provides relevant insights about the subject. Baqi:) (talk) 10:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Fails WP:COMPOSER

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Delete. Per nom. Fails WP:NMUSIC. No significant coverage on the career of the subject and any songs or albums that made it to the national charts. RangersRus (talk) 15:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Kingsmasher678 (talk) 19:10, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

S. V. S. Rama Rao

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Unsourced since January 2009. The only source I can find for him - at least in english sources - is IMDb, which is not considered RS on its own. Smallangryplanet (talk) 10:54, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep? per WP:CREATIVE (added 2 refs to the page); but I cannot confirm all his credits. Can someone access newspaper/print sources in Telugu? -Mushy Yank. 16:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC) Suggestion: redirect and merge into a paragraph in Telugu_cinema#Cast_and_crew #Art direction as ATD?[reply]
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Keep: I'm keeping this based on WP:CREATIVE. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:02, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Thanks for the sourcing applied; certainly more will be found. This is certainly an historic figure in the industry. I'm cool with CREATIVE in this case. BusterD (talk) 15:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:14, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arab conquest of Kaikan

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There's no such event/conquest that lasted till three centuries. It's clearly a messed up WP:SYNTH article. The sources are poorly cited, some of the non RS'es were being dealt with but even RS'es do not testify and established the WP:GNG & WP:SIGCOV of "Arab conquest of Kaikan (658-9th century)" Garudam ^Talk! 09:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I cannot find any evidence that "Kaikan" is actually a place! Delete. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Historical incident; Also cited in article (see reference 1) and other references too. See through It mentions of war between kaikan & arabs.––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 19:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It barely has three lines of passing mention. Unironically, I do not find this event relevant for a definite period of time, say, three centuries. It fails SIGCOV and is full of SYNTH mess; a standalone article is not warranted for this topic. Perhaps it could be merged into a related parent article at best. Garudam ^Talk! 20:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: As per above fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NEVENT. Should have proper secondary sources. WP:GNG is also not satisfied. Wikibear47 (talk) 17:47, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fake article 2001:4479:5D07:1700:C4B1:8C97:3807:AC0A (talk) 07:56, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Yet another poorly sourced article promoting a pseudohistorical narrative that no scholar agrees with. - Ratnahastin (talk) 17:31, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per nom. Nxcrypto Message 19:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Based on nominator's and Airship's rationale. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Ogola

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Procedural nomination per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 12#Brian Ogola. Article was BLARed in 2019 because it was "too outdated" (according to the editor who redirected it). CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maybe keep. I do think there is a credible claim to his passing WP:NACTOR for multiple notable roles. From looking at his IMDB he actually has some lead roles in content available on Netflix (for example https://nairobiwire.com/2020/10/meet-poacher-actor-brian-ogola.html ). The trouble with African media is the press is often ridiculous in its puffery so finding usable sources is often challenging because many of the newspapers get discredited at AFD for being over the top promotional. Based on his work, I say he passes an SNG, but based on sourcing I don't think we will be able to find WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 07:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete May pass SNG, but not GNG or SIGCOV. Link to the East African is broken, ands that could have been significant. African actors usually get less coverage than equally notable international counterparts, so I’m open to changing my mind if someone can provide one independent, reliable source.ANairobian (talk) 06:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - [23], [24], [25], [26] Ayokakesy2023 (talk) 23:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - lead actor in a soap opera in a moderately large country/market. Bearian (talk) 03:26, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Kaizenify (talk) 10:40, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MV Ramana Reddy

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Just mere mentions in the press. Article creator blocked as SOCK. Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 09:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Firstly, the article creator, Coast Shine, is not blocked as a sock and actually has no blocks (a mistake, maybe strike that part of the nomination? thanks). Reddy is notable as the designer of a major monument, and the cites to that creation seem to meet GNG. Two books have been written about Reddy and his work, and he is the author of one book. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:56, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Meets WP:ARTIST criterion 4a: the Telangana Martyrs Memorial is surely a significant sculpture. Source 4 is also certainly not a "mere mention". The article creator isn't blocked though? Procyon117 (talk) 14:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, Procyon117, they have a clean block log. Mistakes happen though, no big deal. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:41, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: A strong pass to GNG is Telangana Martyrs Memorial. While the other coverage's are not exhaustive, highlighting his impact in the regional art community and public memorial design, passes notability.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 14:07, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:52, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joshua Sales

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE for this article about a session musician, and not found references to add. I do not think the existing references demonstrate that he meets WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO or WP:NMUSICIAN. There is no obvious redirect target. Tacyarg (talk) 15:29, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom, and my own search. Joins most all session musicians, including a few on Thriller in not being notable Mach61 02:48, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:41, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maidan Daily

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Fails WP:GNG. I failed to find direct and in-depth coverage about this newspaper. Gheus (talk) 07:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Can't establish notability. One liner article. Wikibear47 (talk) 15:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Easily fails WP:GNG. From my Google search, I couldn't find any sources with significant or in-depth coverage to prove notability. The article is barely two sentences long, and expanding it seems near impossible without reliable sources. ZyphorianNexus (talk) 04:48, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. as per ZyphorianNexus.--گل زیب (talk) 16:47, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Daily Sarhad

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Non-notable newspaper. Primary references and mentions like this are not enough to pass WP:GNG. Gheus (talk) 07:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Clearly fails GNG Wikibear47 (talk) 15:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 09:34, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The J-Gos

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I do not think that this hyperlocal band meets NCREATIVE or GNG. I see one review in a hyperlocal newpaper, and little else of substance. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 10:11, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I'm torn on this one. On the one hand, we have many critical reviews in local press (many fromThe Argonaut in San Francisco and Venice Vanguard and Los Angeles Village View in Los Angeles) which arguably meet WP:SIGCOV and criteria 1 of WP:NBAND. On the other hand, the coverage is all to events which could be seen as too local (ie small venues, etc), and we should maybe not consider it significant on that basis. However, there's also the fact that the band randomly did make it on Papua New Guinea's national music chart which would mean it passes criteria 2 of WP:NBAND. In the end this throws it over to the keep side for me.4meter4 (talk) 07:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
4meter4, following up belatedly. I tried to verify the claim of charting in Papua New Guinea, and did not succeed. For an otherwise somewhat-implausible-sounding claim like that, it would be good if an established non-SPA editor had succeeded in verifying (although of course sources are not required to be online). Perhaps you found it, or have other thoughts on the matter? Russ Woodroofe (talk) 10:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest asking for comment by someone with access to newspapers.com to check it out, because that paper’s archives are accessible through that site. Unfortunately, newspapers.com is no longer available through the Wikipedia Library. Given that the other sources have checked out added by the same user, I am inclined to AGF, and believe it is likely true and accurately represents the source.4meter4 (talk) 23:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: If we could find confirmation of the charted song, that would help, I could go either way, weakly notable, but not enough for me to !vote yet. Oaktree b (talk) 16:38, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Editors arguing to Keep this article have had 3 weeks to find sources establish notability and have brought nothing to this discussion or to the article so I'm closing this as Delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:22, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abdul Hannan Masud

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Sources do not show in-depth coverage needed for WP:GNG. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 02:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment This needs a review by Bengali-speaking editors. Several sources do not appear to mention the subject, but are used to support statements about him. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The article is in development, and the person is worth notable. Need some time to add citations. Ahammed Saad (talk) 16:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: as per @Ahammed Saad Bruno 🌹 (talk) 17:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've read the entire article. In the second paragraph of the beginning, a statement by Abdul Hannan Masud (the subject of the article) from a Facebook video has been slightly modified and cited with a Facebook link. Again, what is written about the person in the third paragraph is not supported by the referenced news link. The news link discusses his speech. In the Early Life and Education section, several links are cited, which are inconsistent. In the Activism section, although some references align, a lot of personal opinions have been used. C⚛smLearner ^💬🔬 18:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Typical of cite bombs. I will withdraw my nomination if the creator can present three in-depth coverage from reliable sources.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 19:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Sohan61 it would be very helpful if you could translate the title of each source that isn't in English and set the trans-title attribute of the citation template accordingly. Please also set the website= attribute with the English name of each source website, so we can more easily see what these citations are. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Apart from name mention or some quote, I am not seeing any WP:SIGCOV, there is no in-depth coverage. -- আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 00:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Those wanting to keep have had two weeks to add citations. The cited sources are a primary source account of a day he spent on his home island (dailysokalersomoy); numerous articles quoting him - without analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis - from press releases / press conferences / speeches / interviews; two passing mentions (dainikamadershomoy and dainikshiksha); and nine articles that do not mention him (The New York Times, The Daily Star, Prothom Alo, The Business Standard, The Financial Express, and The Hindu). There is no significant coverage in independent secondary sources, so the topic is not suitable for a stand alone article. --Worldbruce (talk) 04:59, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: as per @Ahammed Saad. Niasoh ❯❯❯ Wanna chat? 09:48, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per nom. Md Joni Hossain (talk) 19:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 09:34, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Annette Jones (architect)

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An orphan article. An unremarkable career that does not meet WP:ARCHITECT. Source 1 is merely a registration database, sources 3 and 5 are primary. LibStar (talk) 05:38, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Not seeing a notification of the creator, MurielMary, who might be able to explain why they believed notability requirements were met. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:33, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Passes criteria 4c of WP:CREATIVE and WP:SIGCOV per the source by Cox and Women in New Zealand Architecture: A Literature Review in Society of Architectural Historians, Australia and New Zealand. This latter journal highlights that Jones was specifically featured in prominent exhibitions in New Zealand women architects and was featured prominently in the November-December 1993 issue of Architecture New Zealand magazine.4meter4 (talk) 05:35, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets criteria 1 of the architect notability criteria: the person is regarded as an important figure, as evidenced by inclusion in Cox's work. MurielMary (talk) 08:36, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Whilst Elizabeth Cox's source goes to GNG the source on it's own isn't enough to establish notability as the rest of the sources are non-independent or non-RS. There doesn't even seem to be mention of anything she's designed, which suggests she isn't notable too. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To add: if there is sigcov of her work that'd go towards coverage of her and might sway my vote depending on how much and how in depth it is. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This is a really difficult one because I can't find any information at all on her in a BEFORE search that isn't primary or even LinkedIn. The Auckland Library does have three items related to her architectural work. The literature review above only mentions her twice but says there was a topic box dedicated to her in a 1993 magazine, and the Cox book highlights many female architects. My overall sense is we haven't currently demonstrated she's notable enough for an article, and the article as currently written doesn't show she's clearly notable, but in the big grey void of deletion she's not completely non-notable either. Another source would go a long way here. SportingFlyer T·C 23:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daily Aaj

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Non-notable newspaper, lacks direct and in-depth coverage in independent secondary sources. Gheus (talk) 07:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails both WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV Wikibear47 (talk) 15:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No indepth coverage for subject on cited URL's.––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 19:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:24, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alan White (DJ)

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Advertorialized WP:BLP of a radio DJ and a spinoff article about his purported "television show" that may or may not ever have actually existed, with neither article properly referenced as having any strong claim to passing inclusion criteria for media personalities or their shows.
As always, broadcasters are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to show evidence of WP:GNG-worthy third party coverage and analysis about them to establish that they've been externally validated as significant by somebody other than their own public relations agent -- but the BLP is "referenced" to one deadlinked unreliable source, one discogs.com directory entry about somebody else who isn't Alan White and one glancing namecheck of Alan White's existence in a newspaper obituary of somebody else who also isn't Alan White, absolutely none of which constitutes support for the notability of Alan White.
And meanwhile, the "television show" article is actually serving primarily as a coatrack for a largely reduplicated summary of the BLP, and not actually saying even one word at all about a "television show" until the very end, when it finally reveals that the "television show" that's posing as the article's nominal subject is "currently in pre-production" -- except it's said that since the day the article was created in 2011, and the article has never been updated since then with any evidence that the show ever actually started airing. And it's also based entirely on unreliable sources that aren't support for notability, with absolutely no GNG-worthy coverage about either Alan White or the "show" present there either.
Nothing stated in either article is "inherently" notable without GNG-worthy sourcing for it. Bearcat (talk) 05:08, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I'm getting a headache on this one trying to locate sources. Too many people named "Alan White", and several active in music.4meter4 (talk) 05:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The extreme lack of sourcing isn't helping... I tried looking for book reviews, no luck... For someone who seems to be so well-known, I'd expect some coverage in the Atlanta newspapers, which it doesn't seem to have either. Delete unless we can get some sort of sourcing in place that proves this is a notable individual. Oaktree b (talk) 16:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just checking, Oaktree b, is that your opinion for both articles nominated here in this AFD? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, I've only reviewed the one about the person, not the TV show, I can look at it in a bit. Oaktree b (talk) 01:00, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both. I was unable to find any WP:SIGCOV on either White or the television program.4meter4 (talk) 02:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:40, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Music & the Spoken Word broadcasts

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Unreferenced list of unclear utility. This is an episode list of a radio and television music performance show in which the Mormon Tabernacle Choir (always the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, never anybody else) performs religious music along with an inspirational/religious sermon -- but this list just goes "broadcast number, date, recording location, title of sermon, production code, the end", with many entries not even containing all of those details, and right across the board even the recording location is always one or the other of two facilities in Salt Lake City, and never anywhere else.
There's no information at all that would actually be useful, such as the titles of any specific songs that were performed in the episode or a detailed summary of the sermon's theme — so there's effectively nothing of any serious substance said about any of the episodes to differentiate one from another. All of which renders it into a list of meaningless and trivial information, and it's also completely unreferenced for the purposes of actually verifying even what little information is here.
There's just no value to this without a lot more information about each episode and actual referencing for it. Bearcat (talk) 04:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom's accurate analysis. Plenty of OR, failing WP:NLIST. --Cavarrone 17:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 09:33, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Special Assistance Resource Teacher

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Renominating as last AfD was no consensus. No significant coverage in gnews, gbooks and Australian database Trove. Most of the sources are primary like minister's announcements and government sources. LibStar (talk) 22:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. In addition to the offline sources in the article and the additional materials provided in the first AFD, there is some significant coverage in this journal article: [27]. I'm also seeing a bunch of Australian education journals and magazines covering the topic in 1980s publications in google books, but they are only available in snippet view. From what I have been able to find, this seems like it was a major education initiative in the 1980s in Australia with a thousand teaching positions created under this title and an associated training program in order to work in that position. Seems like a notable topic.4meter4 (talk) 03:23, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge this overlaps too substantially with Special Assistance Program (Australian education) to have two separate articles; both talk about the program and teacher roles/trainings in the program. Walsh90210 (talk) 20:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. The issue is the article does not present a worldwide view. – The Grid (talk) 13:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How does it meet notability guidelines? LibStar (talk) 22:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder if @The Grid is thinking about a teacher who teaches kids who are struggling in school (every place has its own name for this job), rather than a single, specific program in a single, specific place. WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:40, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Article would benefit from additional references. Rockycape (t • c •g)
- Just so you know, this article already cites 11 sources, which is more than 80% of Wikipedia articles. WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:41, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Article is notable to the history of Education in the state of Victoria. But maybe the creator of the article should be included? If anyone would know the proper significance of the article it would be him and he would give a unique perspective to the consensus. He is still active, with his last edit being on 11 November 2024. I think consensus should be postponed until his perspective is added to the consensus. I have reached out to him via his talk page [28]. 2024 is Underway (talk) 22:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Just letting you all know he has since responded, his response is copied below for reference, but can be seen via his talk page [29]:

"This article is addressing the most significant issue in primary education in the western world during the 20th and 21st centuries. An issue that remains unresolved globally. It provides evidence that a resolution to the problem it addresses was developed and successfully implemented by a western government but insufficiently replicated throughout the western world for the problem to be successfully addressed world wide."

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The result was redirect‎ to List of diplomatic missions in London#Embassies and High Commissions in London. Two relistings have not generated any further discussion. Clearly the consensus is to remove the article even if respondents are divided between delete, redirect, and merge. Let's go with the least destructive option. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 09:33, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

High Commission of Malaysia, London

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Article based on a primary source and directory listing. No third party coverage to meet WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 22:44, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG. Diplomatic premises are rarely individually notable. AusLondonder (talk) 12:49, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of diplomatic missions in London#Embassies and High Commissions in London where it is mentioned, as has been done for every other non-notable embassy and high commission in London brought to AfD or PROD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Malaysia–United Kingdom relations. @Thryduulf the embassy is also on the List of diplomatic missions of Malaysia. I think we could actually save all the content on the relations page as a merge target which would be better than redirecting to one of several possible list pages. 4meter4 (talk) 03:29, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of roads in Metro Manila#Quezon City. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:05, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regalado Highway

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Unlikely to pass WP:GEOROAD. Listed sources from DPWH and Quezon City government are primary sources. Searches of news on Google for both "Regalado Highway" and "Regalado Avenue" queries only give news about routine coverage on partial road closures, some fires that occurred in nondescript and unfamous businesses and houses along the highway, rerouting schemes, Quezon City speed limit rules that applies to all highways within the city and not just this one, and others. Other websites are for finding directions and for real estate hunters. None of the searched sites on Google support the notability of this typical national highway. Either redirect to List of roads in Metro Manila#Quezon City or Philippine highway network. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 07:09, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of roads in Metro Manila#Quezon City. WP:RUNOFTHEMILL urban roadway. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List_of_roads_in_Metro_Manila#Quezon_City per above. This highway doesn't even have any significant features that would make it notable. AstrooKai (Talk) 20:04, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of roads in Metro Manila#Quezon City per above and WP:ATD --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:03, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:03, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daily Asas

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Fails WP:GNG, lacks direct and in-depth coverage. Gheus (talk) 07:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Lacks WP:SIGCOV Wikibear47 (talk) 15:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Apna Channel

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The official website is defunct. Fails WP:SIGCOV as no article addresses the topic directly and in detail. Gheus (talk) 06:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails SIGCOV and GNG Wikibear47 (talk) 15:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 06:47, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Capital TV (Pakistan)

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Fails WP:SIGCOV as no article addresses the topic directly and in detail. Gheus (talk) 06:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Wikibear47 (talk) 15:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:SIGCOV. Most of the available sources are primary, and the subject doesn't seem notable per WP:GNG. There's little to no in-depth coverage in independent and reliable sources. The only cited source in the article offers just trivial mentions—just not enough! ZyphorianNexus (talk) 02:48, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ranged weapon

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Original research. No evidence this is anything besides an arbitrary classification, a distinction that may have emerged from tabletop gaming given that I mostly get hits from D&D manuals when searching the term. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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comment It's a gaming term, not a real world weapon distinction. Maybe there's some point to it strictly in those terms, nut in modern warfare the division is between hand-to-hand combat and everything else, and the long lists are essentially padding. Mangoe (talk) 14:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - An ambiguous classification based on original research which doesn't see real use outside the videogame or tabletop world.
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Delete. Unsourced. Seems to be a neologism from gaming. The term is not even grammatical. See also my comment of May 2022 and other discussion at Talk:Ranged weapon#Real term?. Nurg (talk) 22:51, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment The Google Scholar search shows the term is used in journals related to forensic science (among other academic disciplines not related to gaming), denotes a specific type or class of weapon, and doesn't appear to be uncommon. Saying the term only exists in gaming isn't accurate. Intothat darkness 15:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:27, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hum Sab Ajeeb Se Hain

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Lacks independent bylined coverage or critical reviews in reliable secondary sources. Fails WP:GNG. Gheus (talk) 06:20, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. non notable sitcom. Before search did not bring any useful reviews, only episodes from YouTube and Dailymotion which are not what is needed to prove notability. Mekomo (talk) 06:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSERIES. Can't establish notability. Wikibear47 (talk) 13:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:28, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Atomas

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Has little reliable source coverage. Only ones I could find were these: [30], [31], [32], [33]. The sources listed do not give significant coverage; therefore, the article's subject fails the GNG. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 06:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Does not demonstrate notability as above, while cited sources are from sites of dubious quality as well as forums and Giant Bomb which are unreliable sources. MimirIsSmart (talk) 00:34, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Aaj News. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:29, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aaj Entertainment

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Fails WP:GNG. The article has a notability tag since 2015, still no coverage found. WP:ATD: redirect to Business Recorder or Aaj News. Gheus (talk) 06:11, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Aaj News since both are in broadcasting. The Aaj Entertainment fails WP:GNG to remain as a standalone article. Mekomo (talk) 07:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Aaj News: Redirect as per WP:ATD. Wikibear47 (talk) 15:22, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:29, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Logan (musician)

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Does not meet GNG/V. Appears to be generally self-promo. Has several self-published/social media links, but no reliable sources. Was PRODded ~10 years ago, but tag was improperly removed. Google/Books/News/Archive searches turned up no potential RS. Safrolic (talk) 05:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Nothing from secondary sources, all from social media handles. The article only serves to promote the subject. It fails all guidelines. Mekomo (talk) 07:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete He's not even the first ghit, and I can't find anything in GNews. Only bluelinks in the article are name drops. Jclemens (talk) 07:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:29, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seleke Botsime

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This BLP has no decent sources cited, has been tagged for multiple issues for almost ten years, and my reasonable BEFORE finds nothing directly detailing. Happy to revisit this if sources are found. BusterD (talk) 05:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Only social media posts pop up in before search result. Mekomo (talk) 07:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Falls WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. Ampil ^{(Ταικ • Cοnτribυτιοns)} 05:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:29, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

King (2025)

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Seems to be only referenced with press releases. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 04:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or draftify. I expanded the article and in the process, realized that this is still stuck in pre-production. Filming was postponed until January 2025 for whatever reason. Looking at the coverage, it's pretty light all things considered - a lot of it is fairly light and the same content but worded somewhat differently. What I have in the article is kind of what's out there - admittedly the generic title of the film (paired with the lead actor being the Hindi voice of Mufasa in Lion King) makes it kind of difficult to search for sourcing, but I can't really see where it passes NFILM at this point in time. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 13:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:NFF. Filming has not yet commenced, and the expected release date is set for 2026. The sources currently only mention the involvement of a globally renowned actor, which does not establish notability at this time. Stronger sources are anticipated by the end of 2025 or early 2026, at which point an article may be warranted.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 12:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to List of Doctor Who audio plays by Big Finish. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:30, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Churchill Years (audio drama series)

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Fails WP:GNG. Its almost all plot with the only real world info being about the release dates Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to List of Doctor Who audio plays by Big Finish as the natural target (I wonder why this is not already present there). This appears in secondary sources like here and here, so I believe this should have a place on Wikipedia, but I don't think there's enough for a stand-alone article. I wonder why this was brought to AfD rather than being a merge discussion in the first place. Daranios (talk) 12:06, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List of Doctor Who audio plays by Big Finish per Daranios (definitely strange that its missing from there) DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 08:09, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per above arguments. Not enough for a separate article but definitely worth having the content preserved elsewhere. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 03:19, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Doctor Who series 7. The correct sequence is "Merge and Redirect". Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:31, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pond Life (Doctor Who)

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Fails WP:NTVEP all sources are primary and my before turned up nothing usable Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Doctor Who series 7. That article already has a summary of the plot, and any relevant production and reception information should be added over there; I've expanded a little here, but there's not much. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 04:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and merge any relevant content to the series 7 page. As I said elsewhere, this borderline fails WP:NTV. It's a bit better with the expanded content, but doesn't necessarily appear to be significant enough that it necessitates its own article. TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect and merge per TheDoctorWho. Better covered as part of a wider subject given the lack of coverage on the subject. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 00:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and merge - as suggested above. The shorts were essentially a promotional piece for Series 7, so that is where they should be covered. Dunarc (talk) 23:57, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and merge per TheDoctorWho, does not stand on its own. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 08:11, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:32, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Belize Christian Academy

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Fails WP:NSCHOOL. The fact that diplomats have children does not make it relevant. Jinnllee90 (talk) 03:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I found no WP:SIGCOV in any sources that I found about the school. There was one about the Vice Principal of the academy, one about an armed robbery near the school, and a couple about routine school competitions. None of them have significant coverage. Only source in article is subject's own website. ‍Relativity ⚡️ 20:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
CU note nominator blocked as a checkuser confirmed sock.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 22:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) — Benison (Beni · talk) 02:52, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of transiting exoplanets

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Was a useful list in the past, but it became outdated and is hardly updated. The number of transiting exoplanets has grown massively, so it is nearly impossible to maintain this list. Just to fill up the missing entries it would take a huge effort of many people and months, and given that only 200 people see this list every month this effort would not be rewarded. The Exoplanet Archive already do the job to catalog these planets, making this list useless. 21 Andromedae (talk) 18:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Normally the incompleteness of a list isn't a reason to get rid of it. We have some absurdly long lists in astronomy, and they will never be fully complete. That being said, sites like the Exoplanet Archive are going to be better at processing and maintaining this information. Why do we need to reproduce them? Praemonitus (talk) 07:09, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, listing only notable entries (that is, with an article). I see no policy-driven deletion reason here. The maintainence argument, which is not a reason to delete, does not hold: if we have articles about these planets, we can include them on a list; the argument would maybe make sense if we needed to include every object discovered by transit, but we don't. The existence of an external website listing such planets has no bearing at all on being the list appropriate for Wikipedia.--cyclopia ^speak! 09:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: (copying my comment from the RV deletion discussion) from a practical standpoint, Wikipedia shouldn't try to replicate massive lists of objects that are better kept elsewhere (e.g. the Exoplanet archive). If we have a page, someone has to maintain it. Better to focus on things where wikipedia is a value add, instead of just trying to be a catalog. - Parejkoj (talk) 19:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it shouldn't try to replicate the Exoplanet archive. But "the same information is elsewhere" is not a cogent argument: all information on Wikipedia is elsewhere almost by definition, since we collect information based on sources. We have different selection criteria to make the list relevant for Wikipedia as, for example, listing only notable entries. We are indeed not a directory, but that is why we have the selection criteria above. cyclopia ^speak! 09:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since this list is potentially unbounded, we may want to consider segmenting the list by discovery date. This will make it more manageable, since each date range can become a completed list. A precedent for this is the list of minor planets, since the numbering is approximately chronological by discovery. Praemonitus (talk) 16:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, I agree with User:Praemonitus. We could then edit this by segmenting the exoplanets' discovery dates, and it would not be misleading even if it were to be slightly not up to date, and thus buying us time to edit(of course, we would still have to update this list). As for the argument that the same information is found elsewhere, the fact is that you cannot just get to Wikipedia articles on exoplanets simply by clicking links on the Exoplanet Archive. Pygos (talk) 03:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per multiple points of WP:NOT.

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Keep. Passes WP:NLIST. There are multiple books entirely about transiting exoplanets in google books. They are discussed as a group/set in the literature in an in-depth way. I'm not seeing a policy based rationale to delete this article which essentially boils down to the list is incomplete and difficult to maintain. Those are volunteer workforce problems and not problems inherent to the notability of the list itself. Additionally, the list seems to be limited to only those transiting exoplanets to which we have articles which is fine.4meter4 (talk) 16:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Keep. Per cyclopia, there are criteria for Wikipedia lists, and as transiting exoplanets have been mentioned as a set group in literature, per 4meter4, that meets the criteria for an article in my eyes. Segmenting by year of discovery or even just only listing planets with their own article (which the current article already does, bar a few exceptions) would be fine. The viewcount per month is irrelevant. Procyon117 (talk) 14:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After some updating to the current year, it should be fine. Procyon117 (talk) 14:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:NLIST and per Procyon117. This doesn't seem to remotely fail notability requirements, and the only issues with the list per the deletion argument seem to be upkeep related, which as 4meter4 pointed out, are issues with the nature of volunteer editors rather than the list itself. DarmaniLink (talk) 19:32, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - per User:4meter4 and WP:NLIST. There may be editorial constraints that motivate a different scope for the list or a different organizational scheme, but deletion is unjustified. Suriname0 (talk) 03:22, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:41, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

X-parameters

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Tagged as COI for 15 years. Wikipedia is not a permanent webhost for COI content. BD2412 T 01:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy keep with WP:NPASR. No valid deletion rationale has been offered, nor has evidence of a WP:BEFORE been provided. There is no reason provided why any COI that may be present cannot be addressed editorially. The WP:WEBHOST policy primarily applies to userspace and is thus not a rationale for deletion, and WP:COIEDIT is not a reason for deletion since such edits are not prohibited (just strongly discouraged). I would encourage the nominator to renominate with a valid rationale and evidence of a BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:40, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dclemens1971: At best, this should be merged to Keysight. The "Dr. Jan Verspecht" who is the author (or lead author) of just about every academic paper cited in this article is the self-described "intrapreneur" of the company that is selling this as an innovation. BD2412 T 18:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A simple BEFORE style search yielded a book on the subject X-Parameters: Characterization, Modeling, and Design of Nonlinear RF and Microwave Components, which this book review suggest is a reasonable monograph on the topic. There is also the review paper Applications of X-parameters in behavioral modeling of RF power amplifiers for wireless communications: An overview and independent secondary sources discussing X-parameters, such as Comparative study of X-parameters and nonlinear scattering functions and X-parameter modeling investigation for microwave power devices. That X-parameters have been treated on similar footing as S-parameters and scattering functions suggests that X-parameters have had an impact on the field of microwave engineering. Raising a COI red flag for this article was a reasonable action, but deleting an article on what appears to be a notable topic would be the wrong approach to dealing with this COI. Hence, keep. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 18:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Withdrawn by nominator as improved, and due to removal of COI issues. BD2412 T 16:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WHDT

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Speedy keep The 2009 version was unambiguously advertising the station under its debut ownership; this version of the article about a generic Scripps station has removed the tone completely and though there needs some work, the template could have long been removed under looser standards in the past. Nate • (chatter) 01:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't see how there can be a "speedy keep" case for content for which a COI tag is still justified after 15 years. There is no indication that this issue is ever going to be fixed. BD2412 T 02:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Speedy keep per @MrSchimpf:. @BD2412: You might want to talk to my friend @Sammi Brie:. She might have suggestions on how to improve the article.
  Mvcg66b3r (talk) 02:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  "How to improve the article" misses the point. The article has been tagged a having this specific problem for 2/3 of the life of Wikipedia, and there is no sign that anyone will ever fix it. If it could be fixed, it already would have been. BD2412 T 02:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I disagree with this reasoning, by which we could conclude that there should be no new articles on things which have existed since the advent of Wikipedia or earlier. Deletion is not cleanup, and if the subject is notable, which it seems to be, then it should remain. Keep. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 03:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I have tried to bring this article more in line with where it should be based on the sourcing available. WHDT is an odd bird as a digital-only station from the 2000s that got a lot of novelty coverage but turned into a diginet coatrack. Station founder Günter Marksteiner was probably the COI editor in 2009, too (User:Marksteiner). I appreciate the effort to sweep the COI out, but I feel BD2412 should have looked at the article now compared to then and evaluated whether the COI content still impaired the article's reason for existing above and beyond guidelines like notability. This article was already in better shape and on better foundations than many of the other articles recently sent to AfD for the same purpose, whose conditions are truly bordering on unsalvageable. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep, article contain suitable sources and doesn't read like an advertisement to me. Esolo5002 (talk) 05:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: What are you saying?? It looks like a usual American television article. I mean, Sammi Brie makes a good point on the fact that the article which is in AfD is in better shape of condition that articles which are on AfD for the same reason this one is. mer764KC / Cospaw⛲️ (He/Him | 💬Talk! • 📦Contributions) 11:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep per @MrSchimpf and Mvcg66b3r: regardless of past COI implications, a full-power television stations like WHDT easily meets notability guidelines and doesn't merit a deletion. Nathan Obral • he/him • t • c • 15:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 03:24, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PLAY: The Games Festival

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Delete: Whole article stands on a single article which seems to have a COI. Also this article has been tagged as COI for years.––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 19:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV from independent third party sources. Let'srun (talk) 01:41, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Maybank. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Eng Holdings

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Delete or redirect to Maybank, which page mentions the acquisition of this brokerage firm and its subsequent operation as a subsidiary. The given links to announcements of joint ventures, acquisition, etc. are insufficient for WP:CORPDEPTH. AllyD (talk) 09:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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