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Martin Liška[edit]

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Redirect to Slovakia at the 2004 Summer Olympics as ATD because I could not find any in-depth coverage of this athlete to meet WP:GNG.

This AfD might be exactly the same issue as with Peter Kondrát I nominated back in January under my old username (CuteDolphin712). Since Martin Liška was born in Brno, Czech Republic, but represents Slovakia, I don't know which language of source is primary.

The only decent site I found in Slovak language is SME but it looks nowhere near significant.
Oddly enough, Czech media IDNES (2016, 2018, 2022) and Czech Television have articles of a horseback rider of the same name. However, the first source by IDNES tells said jockey turned 39 thus clearly not the same men as this cyclist. Without evidence of cyclist Liška being a horse jockey in his hometown, this case fails WP:V.

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Ravindra Lakmal[edit]

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Although subject may be covered by WP:NCRICKET (Additionally, cricketers who have played at the highest domestic level [...] may have sufficient coverage about them to justify an article, but it should not be assumed to exist without further proof), with a single appearance for a club side more than 20 years ago, there is no indication the subject has received significant coverage to pass the general notability guideline. C 679 10:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am also nominating the following related page for the same reason:

Kris McLaren[edit]

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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. C 679 07:28, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alex Guerrero (lineman)[edit]

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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. - Although subject may meet WP:NGRIDIRON as stated in the last AfD (2011), this does not establish sufficient notability. C 679 06:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keiichi Misawa[edit]

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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Previously deleted by PROD. C 679 03:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment A "small" HTML tag was left unclosed. This has been fixed. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Iloski[edit]

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I am unable to find enough independent coverage of this American soccer player to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 02:04, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chris Driver[edit]

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. 2 sources provided are primary. Found nothing searching ["Chris Driver" mauritius -wikipedia] LibStar (talk) 01:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Michael Lejsek[edit]

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Redirect to Czech Republic at the 2022 Winter Olympics#Luge as I could not find enough in-depth coverage of this athlete to meet WP:GNG. I've checked corresponding Wikipedia article in other languages, especially the Czech one that might help copy over English article, but none of them provide significant coverage on him. One-time Olympics participant, Lejsek was not even one of the three luge medalists in pre-mentioned tournament either. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:34, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. World Championships participant in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2023. European Championships participant in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023. (According to Whatlinkshere, haven't clicked them yet.) Geschichte (talk) 20:49, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hayate Usui[edit]

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE on this article about a martial artist, and added two references, though one is a passing mention. I do not think Usui meets WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO or WP:NMMA. Tacyarg (talk) 08:48, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ainer Cleve[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC #5 (Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources.")

I created the article in 2020 when the old WP:NGRIDIRON presumed notability for NFL players -- we have database sources showing that Cleve appeared in 19 NFL games as a back and end from 1921-1924. When the presumption was reversed, User:Hey man im josh correctly tagged the article due to the need for additional sources. I thought that someone who appeared in 19 NFL games would have WP:SIGCOV, but my follow-up searches in 2022 didn't find any. I searched again today but didn't find anything rising to the level of SIGCOV. (FWIW: I did find some passing references where his given name was listed as "Ainar" [1] and others as "Einar" [2] [3].)

Despite my efforts, the article still does not comply with our guidelines, so it's time for me to throw in the towel -- unless someone can dig up SIGCOV that I've been unable to find. Cbl62 (talk) 00:37, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Newspapers.com is unavailable and will continue to be unavailable for the vast majority of users (including me) for an unknown amount of time. Could we at the very least draftify this? I can't even search for sources. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No objection to that. Cbl62 (talk) 14:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify per nom and Beanie’s comments above. Beanie and Cbl62 both have a reputation of working very hard to find coverage of lesser-known topics if it’s available, so if either (or both) of them are interested, this is a very reasonable ATD. Worst case is there is no coverage available when newspapers.com is back online and the draft gets abandoned/deleted. Frank Anchor 02:20, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: Finding sources about Ainer Cleve that meet WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG is proving difficult. This approach would allow more time for research to prove that Cleve is notable (which is better than removing the content from the platform).--AstridMitch (talk) 06:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kodjo Aziangbe[edit]

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Contested PROD; subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT due to lack of WP:SIGCOV. Sources are limited to databases and routine match coverage. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:16, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Much of the sourcing would be in Arabic, Ukrainian and Japanese. Not exactly easy for an English speaker to search Geschichte (talk) 07:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Drafify - not currently notable, but might be in future. Giant Snowman 20:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would accept draftify as an AtD. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kristofer Karlsson[edit]

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. The links provided are all primary. Could not find third party coverage of this individual. LibStar (talk) 01:27, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete: No independent sources available. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 09:42, 15 July 2024 (UTC)~~ Keep: After Julle's additions, enough WP:SIGCOV for WP:GNG. (I wonder how many articles are deleted because of wrong language settings) — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 09:09, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Doesn’t meet WP:GNG, no reliable references, the author should consider seeking more references, a lot is written on the article but nothing to show or prove notability.Madeforall1 (talk) 14:24, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I've expanded the article and added references from Yle, Vestmanlands Läns Tidning, sv:Enköpings-Posten. Some of these are shorter news pieces, but a couple of them have more substance. /Julle (talk) 21:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ping Alien333 and Madeforall1 in case you want to take another look. These sources were a bit difficult to locate if one doesn't speak Swedish (and in a couple of cases required access to newspaper archive to find them). /Julle (talk) 21:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per sources from Julle 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 17:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep: Did a quick Google Translate on the snippet from the YLE source added, it seems to talk about this person. I'll assume the others are of a similar quality, we have enough for a basic article anyway. Oaktree b (talk) 00:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rudi Mahmutaj[edit]

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Mahmutaj never played in a professional league and the coverage to date isn't enough for WP:SIGCOV, in my view. Panorama 1 is just an announcement of being released, Panorama 2 is just a direct quote from Mahmutaj with no third party analysis and Sport Ekspres represents the best source on him but it still only confirms that he scored 19 goals for Luftëtari and played at under-17 level for Albania, which I would say falls just short of the depth required. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:16, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment – I was wondering... Since interview sources fail WP:GNG, do ones with third-party analysis count to demonstrate the person's notability? If so, what are some examples from websites? ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:57, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This interview is an example of one that would count as having at least some third party analysis (of the tennis player Carlos Alcaraz). Clariniie I am aware that that's a different sport, though. Good interview sources for football look like The Guardian (Leah Williamson interview) and BBC (Aitana Bonmatí interview). Notice how the articles are written outside of a normal Q&A format and how most of them start with some background info on the interviewee first, which automatically pushes it to SIGCOV. The articles do more than just merely regurgitate the interview. If someone can find similar calibre sourcing for Mahmutaj, I will happily withdraw my support for deletion. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:11, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ervis Koçi (footballer, born 1998)[edit]

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No top tier appearances, no meaningful prose and no evidence of WP:SIGCOV. The only source that I can find is Panorama, a mere squad listing. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, played some football games on a tier that was not fully professional, and no relevant sources. To the closer: remember to move Ervis Koçi (footballer, born 1984) to the non-disambiguated title afterwards. Geschichte (talk) 13:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete – Poorly-formatted article without significant coverage and major updates :( I also agree with Geschichte for the article rename once this nomination has been closed. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:59, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: not even a claim of notability. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 17:34, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Šárka Sudová[edit]

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With only database references listed, this article fails WP:GNG. The closest significant coverage in reliable sources I found is iDNES. Unlike her sister Nikola, she has not received any medal record. Notability is not inherited from relatives; as ATD, should we consider redirect this article to her sister or Czech Republic at the 2010 Winter Olympics? ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. She is definitely notable enough. Article expanded. FromCzech (talk) 12:06, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Updated article after edits from FromCzech passes the notability guideline. C 679 13:42, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There still isn't enough WP:RS for GNG: apart from the iDNES ref, the article as of now relies on database references and texts written by herself (author profile pages). I was unable to find better. (N.B.: I do not speak Czech and my assessment of sources is based on machine translation of them, which means it may be very flawed). — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 18:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I added several other references. FromCzech (talk) 16:04, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Granuel Lika[edit]

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Lika played only 97 mins in the Superliga and there is no evidence of WP:SIGCOV. My own searches yielded only Panorama, a passing mention, and Durrës Lajm, a squad listing. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Egli Trimi[edit]

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His professional career was extremely brief by the looks of it. My own searches didn't yield any non-database coverage, therefore WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC don't seem to be met. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:22, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete, not even a credible claim to notability at this point. Geschichte (talk) 13:11, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete – Lack of major edits with only database sources listed, this article is clearly not notable. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:29, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marlon Campbell[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails both WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC. No significant coverage of him at all. — YoungForever^(talk) 23:29, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Non-notable footballer, who doesn’t pass WP:SIGCOV. Tau Corvi (talk) 22:36, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mauro Trari[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. I made this article at a time when WP:NFOOTY was a thing. Paul Vaurie (talk) 16:46, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Non-notable semi-professional footballer, who doesn’t pass WP:SIGCOV. All I found is statistics. Tau Corvi (talk) 14:50, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marek Gajdošík[edit]

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Yet another long-unsourced article of a Slovak men's footballer who seems to have a minor career. According to Soccerway, his career in higher level clubs lasted between 107 and 800 minutes. He went missing from 2015 until 2023, but came back to play for third tier club FK Beluša, then disappeared again. I can't find any better source than passing mentions and database from my searches. Article fails WP:GNG overall. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:40, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Not notable by any stretch of the imagination. Athel cb (talk) 14:05, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I didn't find any secondary sources. He is also not mentioned in the articles of the clubs he played for, so there is nowhere to redirect. Tau Corvi (talk) 16:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Luis Olaso[edit]

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Footballer whose article has no footnotes, and whose only references are external links to database entries, and so does not meet general notability or sports notability in its current state. The article says that he played for the Spanish national team, which is probably true but unverified, and there isn't a football notability guideline that says that this is notability or presumed notability. The Heymann criterion is to find two reliable sources that provide significant coverage within seven days.

Draftify as nominator, to allow six months to find coverage. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:46, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Of all the poorly sourced footballer articles around, why pick a player for AfD who played for two of the biggest clubs in Spain and made four international appearances for Spain? 🤔 What did your "search for additional sources" per WP:BEFORE yield? A quick web search found me [4] and [5] though for a player of this era most coverage is more likely to be found offline. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 02:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep clearly a notable figure, shown by sources above and COMMONSENSE which would say that offline sources exist. Giant Snowman 08:53, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As a player of Real Madrid easily passes WP:FOOTYN. The article needs to be improved. I found a couple of online sources, I think there are others, not to mention offline. [6][7]. Tau Corvi (talk) 17:45, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The "Player notability" part of WP:FOOTYN has been deprecated. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 18:40, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. thanks Tau Corvi (talk) 19:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep [8], [9], lets throw a few more sources into this bout! Really Robert, this was not a good candidate for AfD. The article certainly needs an improvement, but the negation of sources in the article isn't a reason for deletion. Govvy (talk) 18:44, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reshat Ramadani[edit]

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No WP:SIGCOV; fails WP:GNG, WP:NSPORT. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I only found news about his transfer to Dynamo Kyiv and his loan to Shkëndija, as well as several articles on fan sites, which, in my opinion, doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV. I also don’t see the point in redirecting to the current squads of Dynamo or Shkëndija. Tau Corvi (talk) 23:42, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zaine Kennedy[edit]

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Almost all the sourcing is not third party but speedway related. LibStar (talk) 01:30, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The fact that the sources are related to the speedway does not make them non-independent. Per WP:GNG "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. These sources could be considered affiliated with him if, for example, he were their owner. I would add a few more secondary sources [10] [11] [12] Tau Corvi (talk) 22:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have set up a discussion here Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Speedway_related_sources. LibStar (talk) 23:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I saw the RSN discussion first, so I do not plan to vote, but to give my opinion from my limited perspective. Having taken a look at Scunthorpe Scorpions, which looks like two different teams on one article, I can count about five dozen riders that have articles. Of the "Notable riders," most of them use "speedway related sources" in their articles with British Speedway cited between two and three dozen times. (More problematic, but farther outside of the discussion is that at least one article is citing sources that are MREL and GUNREL.)

Overall, the issue over the specific sources is going to have an effect on other articles. If deemed a problem, then there will need to be more AfD discussions in the near future; while if deemed acceptable could lead to additional article creations. I am of the opinion that redirects to the team articles could be more preferred than deletion and that some information might be includable in the various team articles. That said, I am unsure if the sources are a problem on these rider articles. --Super Goku V (talk) 06:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Connor Rennie[edit]

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Fails GNG. A search through the Gale/newspapers.com/proquest and BNA archives found no SIGCOV of Rennie. Dougal18 (talk) 12:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Easily fails GNG guidelines. Go4thProsper (talk) 19:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to 2010–11 Dundee F.C. season#Squad as this was apparently his best season (he appeared on the field more than once). Doesn’t pass WP:SIGCOV. Tau Corvi (talk) 19:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Antonio Telari[edit]

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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. C 679 04:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – With only database sources listed, this article is certainly not notable. He only played one match at senior level before playing in lower leagues then disappeared. All I could find were a passing mention and unrelated politician named Michele Telari. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Formally passes WP:FOOTYN after playing one match in Serie A, but there are no secondary sources that would help pass WP:SIGCOV. I only found statistics. Tau Corvi (talk) 14:42, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Archie Vaughan[edit]

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So what exactly makes this guy notable? Being the son of Michael Vaughan, is all I can tell. He hasn't played cricket at a senior level and hasn't done anything of note in cricket to warrant inclusion. No amount of WP:ROUTINE refbombs can hide that he is a WP:GNG fail. AA (talk) 17:14, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Not notable, fails WP:GNG. Delete. Go4thProsper (talk) 19:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I don’t understand whether he has already played for Somerset and the England U19 to pass WP:NCRIC, but signing a contract with the club and being called up to the U19 team is being covered in the media, which indicates the passage WP:SIGCOV. I will list several secondary sources, you can easily find more [13][14][15] Tau Corvi (talk) 14:09, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But why is that notable? Plenty of people get signed by major sports teams and never go onto do anything. Is the bar really set this low? Again, if his father wasn't a famous cricketer, he would not get any coverage. AA (talk) 22:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Article was moved to mainspace via Afc. Subject has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Hildreth gazzard (talk) 00:48, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ľubomír Bajtoš[edit]

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Another long-unsourced stub regarding a Slovak men's footballer who played a total of 47 minutes before suddenly disappearing in 1999. SME might be the best reliable secondary source that mentions his name, but it's only in an image caption which does not count towards significant coverage. Article fails WP:GNG overall. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The article is from ye olden times and is not satisfactory with current guidelines. The false information about 47 minutes is a misinterpretation of 47 matches in the Czechoslovak First League, and he did of course have a longer career before and after that even though WorldFootball has not recorded it. But someone has to have recorded something in order to have a Wikipedia article. This piece is an overview of his career. It's a good start, and there are more in pre-Internet media, but I don't know how to find it. Geschichte (talk) 11:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. That article linked by Geschichte appears in the Czech-language version of the page. It is a good start. The link from Clariniie suggests he played in European competitions in the 1994–95 season on top of the league matches. Sources likely exist. I was able to find details of his performances in the Czechoslovak First League: 1990–91 season, 1991–92 season (didn't play), 1992–93 season for 42 appearances and 6 goals. Will add more if I am unable to uncover further sources. C 679 15:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:15, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ilya Syrovatko[edit]

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Does not meet verifiability guidelines per WP:SPORTSPERSON. 333fortheain (talk) 04:16, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Does not fail WP:V thanks to various databases, but an article cannot be built on databases only. Geschichte (talk) 12:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The article needs to add more information and sources. Passes WP:SIGCOV, it’s easy to find reliable secondary sources in Russian that talk about his career and personal life [16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24] Tau Corvi (talk) 15:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete article lacks in sources and in any information. The sources i found, including the ones presented by @Tau Corvi (Thank you for providing those) are, in my opinion, not enough to prove notability as per WP:SPORTCRIT - those are just narration of transfers, some tabloid coverage and game results. Vorann Gencov (talk) 15:41, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Lacks notability and reliable sources, the article does not meet Wikipedia's standards and therefore should be deleted. Yakov-kobi (talk) 13:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Viva Van[edit]

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No notable independent wrestler. She worked on small independent promotions. She had a few matches with big promotions, but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Most of the sources are just WP:RESULTS with no in-deep coverage of the wrestler HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Just not enough in RS to keep the article; this is all I can find [25], rest are match reports. Tried using a search listed under Wiki Wrestling [26], none turn up. Oaktree b (talk) 12:08, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Stay: Viva Van currently works for Ring of Honor & AEW so that should be enough notability for her page to stay, it could also be in the hopes of her someday capturing a ROH TV Women's title or a AEW Women's or AEW TBS title or even a New Japan Women's or New Japan Strong Women's title or Wonder Ring Stardom Women's title while still in the indy's if given enough time or she could even soon or someday sign with WWE, so I think that that should be enough for her page should stay around. Because she also is still a very active indy wrestler today. (She also was trained by Rikishi and probably is apart of the Samoan / Polynesian Heritage / Bloodline. Which could do good if she we're to someday join WWE as well. She was also apart of the ROH TV Women's title tournament, so that should also be enough notability for her page to stay.) 71.65.161.223 (talk) 11:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even that, most of the article are just WP:RESULTS, with no focus on her. Most of the article looks like wants to present the wrestler as notable by comparation. "made her debut for Thunder Rosa's Mission Pro Wrestling in May 2021 in a Triple Threat match against Impact Wrestler Masha Slamovich ", "Van was defeated by CMLL Veteran Estrellita." "June 2019, Viva teamed up with WWE wrestler MVP", like namedropping. Also, Reddit is not a valid source. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But she has returned to take on Willow Nightingale & Lluvia for the CMLL World Women's Championship it was announced today and she also tried out for WWE in 2020 & in 2022. Hopefully with those two things now added to her page could change something or could make her page stay. 71.65.161.223 (talk) 22:45, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Not seeing enough independent and significant coverage to meet the WP:GNG. The vast majority of the sources are match results, blogs, interviews, or are non-RS. Working for a certain promotion does not grant inherent notability. Let'srun (talk) 02:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Joe Phillips (English cricketer, born 2003)[edit]

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Subject person played only 1 List-A and 2 First class match. Does WP:GNG surpasses WP:NCRICK? Twinkle1990 (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Twinkle1990: - can I just point out NSPORT states that "Failing to meet the criteria in this guideline means that notability will need to be established in other ways (for example, the general notability guideline...) - so all NSPORT is saying that people who meet those criteria are considered notable, but not meeting those criteria doesn't automatically make them non-notable. Mdann52 (talk) 20:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - meets GNG. Mdann52 (talk) 20:50, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't appear on the cricket delsort - tryingto add that again first Blue Square Thing (talk) 05:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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At worst this is an obvious redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players where his name needs to be added. A note should also be added, as has been done for others. Beyond that I have no particular view here - there are some sources, but not so many. I suspect he is likely to be covered in others as well fwiw Blue Square Thing (talk) 05:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players. He does not meet GNG - this is the one qualifying source. Gloscricket is obviously not independent coverage. -- asilvering (talk) 18:13, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, but he may be notable in the future, i.e. WP:NOTNOW. SWinxy (talk) 01:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SWinxy, in this case, wouldn't a redirect be more appropriate? That way, if he becomes notable in the future, someone won't have to start the article from scratch. -- asilvering (talk) 18:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, borderline decision but given the rhythms and vagaries of the English county cricket season we are approaching the part where younger players are used to a greater extent, precisely the time this page will be useful to people who follow the game to refer to. Hildreth Gazzard (talk) 06:47, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players. References are currently insufficient for GNG. Frank Anchor 18:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. Passes WP:NCRIC as a cricketer who has played at the highest domestic level. I would add [27] and maybe [28] to the references. Tau Corvi (talk) 14:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yevhen Kholoniuk[edit]

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Non-notable skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. NSKATE is wrong and should never have been adopted. So many articles about champion skaters are being deleted. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 19:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to 2011-2012 figure skating season#Ice dance 4 or to 2011–12 ISU Junior Grand Prix#Ice dance, possibly to another table in those articles. Doesn't pass WP:SIGCOV. Tau Corvi (talk) 13:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wang Qingyun[edit]

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Non-notable skater; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. Previous AFD received zero arguments in favor of keeping this article that cited any evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: per nom. I was not able to find any English or Chinese sources about the subject person, and she has only won bronze medals in the Chinese Championships, failing both GNG and NSKATE. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 14:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Chinese Figure Skating Championships#Ladies. Doesn't pass WP:SIGCOV. Tau Corvi (talk) 11:17, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Veronika Kropotina[edit]

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Redirect to ISU_Junior_Grand_Prix_in_Croatia#Women's_singles. Achievements are insufficient to meet WP:NSKATE. I have not found any secondary sources that speak directly about her, only mentioning her in passing. By the way, references 1 and 3 do not work, and 2nd gives meager performance statistics. Tau Corvi (talk) 01:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Arjun Tudu[edit]

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The page was previously deleted because it fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG and it still holds true. Coderzombie (talk) 10:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom and per WP:BIO. The subject does not meet notability and biography is not enough to deserve attention or to be recorded. Poor sources with no WP:SIGCOV. RangersRus (talk) 13:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Simply having a biography isn't enough for inclusion. If reliable sources can be found to establish notability, the article could be rewritten and resubmitted for review. Waqar💬 16:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - @RangersRus:, @Iwaqarhashmi:, I found [29], [30], [31], [[32], [33], [34], [35], among many more English and Hindu sources (not to mention other Indian languages. Cleary was sigifnicant ifgure in Indian lower league football and was even called up to the senior India national team. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 04:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)— Note to closing admin: Das osmnezz (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]

Most of these sources are interviews and paid promotions and do not help pass WP:NFOOTY. The player has not garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements because he has not played at an international level and he has not played for an entirely professional league to satisfy WP:GNG. He is an upcoming player but it is too early to warrant a page on this subject because of insufficient significant achievements.

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ALl of the sources have tons of secondary coverage that I will gladly cite if asked and there is no indication that any of them are paid promotions... Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 05:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete doesn't appear to have ever played in a notable league BFC Aspie (talk) 17:57, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—I wanted to vote the opposite way, because this article is absolutely atrocious in its current state, but there is clearly enough coverage to meet WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 01:00, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - To the closer, all delete votes are by users who seldom vote on football deletion debates who still think that players have to both meet WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Cleary was significant figure in Indian lower league football and was even called up to the senior India national team. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 05:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"called up to the senior India national team" is not notability. If he played for national team, that would be something to consider. If he was just called up then it is also case of WP:TOOSOON. RangersRus (talk) 19:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thats one of my more minor points, my point is that he was considered such a good player and significant figure in Indian lower leagues that he was called up to senior nationl team. This proves my point that all delete votes are by users who seldom vote on football deletion debates who still think that players have to both meet WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Either way, he has many secondary sources about him. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:16, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I never said has to meet both WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. I am saying he passes neither. Doesn't pass WP:NFOOTBALL because he hasn't played professional football and the sources that exist don't justify WP:GNG Coderzombie (talk) 09:00, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tell me how this article doesnt meet WP:GNG. Im listening... just because he played in thje lower leagues doesnt meen he was a clear topic of interest in Indian football who is probably only lower league Indian palyer to be called up to senior national team.. Article needs improvement, not deletuon. THanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 02:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Arjun Tudu's page should be deleted because he doesn't have enough coverage in reliable sources to meet the notability standards.Yakov-kobi (talk) 14:00, 05 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - to the closer, nobody has explained how he doesnt pass WP:GNG which he clarly does... just because he played in thje lower leagues doesnt meen he was a clear topic of interest in Indian football who is probably only lower league Indian palyer to be called up to senior national team. Article needs improvement, not deletuon. THanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 02:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep These are excellent references. The article is crap, but the subject clearly meets GNG. The previous deletion discussion years ago is irrelevant, given the amount of media coverage is major national papers since then. The GNG policy clearly supports keeping. I don't see what policy supports deletion. Nfitz (talk) 17:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - the comment about him being an "upcoming player" is nonsense as the subject is 34 years old. Per Das osmnezz and Nfitz, I cannot see any policy-based arguments for deletion here. The sources mentioned in this discussion would help the development of the article, but coupled with what is already in place there, they appear to establish a sufficient level of notability. C 679 16:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV. The article already contains a couple of reliable sources, it's easy to find more. Tau Corvi (talk) 20:58, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andrew Kneisly[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this American rugby player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTSPERSON. My searches yielded only trivial mentions. A possible redirect is 2017 Rugby League World Cup squads#United States. JTtheOG (talk) 06:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep 25 international appearances is quite notable plus I have been able to fine a few more sources [36][37][38][39]. Mn1548 (talk) 11:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The first three sources are from USARL, which is the competition the subject played in and thus not independent. The fourth source is a blog post with a passing mention of the subject, and thus is not reliable OR in-depth. JTtheOG (talk) 16:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, I've seen similarly irrelevant sports players with articles about them. Maurnxiao (talk) 19:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not an argument to keep an article. JTtheOG (talk) 19:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From that website:

This may be an argument that this article is not bad enough to be speedily deleted; but that does not mean it should be kept.

So unless I misinterpreted which is possible, is there any rush to get this article removed? Why not improve it? Maurnxiao (talk) 19:48, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your response. In this case, "speedily delete" refers to speedy deletion, a separate, much quicker procedure which does not need a discussion to delete a page. This rugby article is not eligible to be deleted through that medium. However, in my opinion, the subject has not received significant coverage from reliable sources that cover him directly and in detail and thus might fail our general notability guidelines, which is why I brought it to a discussion. JTtheOG (talk) 20:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see, thank you. Maurnxiao (talk) 20:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:23, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to United States men nationa rugby league team#Current squad. Delete. Doesn't pass WP:RU/N, because on an inernational level, he played for United States men's national rugby league team (Eagles), but the player is presumed notable if he played for United States men's national rugby union team (Hawks). Per WP:RU/N USA domestic leagues aren't notable. Doesn't pass WP:SIGCOV, I haven't found any secondary sources that relate directly to the subject. Tau Corvi (talk) 00:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:58, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not in the current squad so the redirect there would not be useful and only played one match at world cup, an alternative could be Colonial Cup (rugby league), but lack of significant coverage makes delete seem a reasonable option. EdwardUK (talk) 15:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, thanks Tau Corvi (talk) 18:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I find the keep assertions here unpersuasive. Fails WP:SPORTSPERSON with zero direct detailing. BusterD (talk) 18:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Slovakia at the 2014 Winter Olympics#Luge as ATD because I could not find any in-depth coverage about this luger to meet WP:GNG. All I found on news websites were passing mentions of his participation at the tournament. He was not even on top three luge winners. This article has been deleted from Slovak Wikipedia on 18 November 2018, possibly due to BLP concerns. The only interlanguage wiki available is Norsk Bokmål (Norwegian) Wikipedia but it listed exactly the same sources as the English article. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:20, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Olympics, and Slovakia. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:20, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:02, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the article meets the notability criteria for athletes, having competed in the Winter Olympics and achieved notable rankings in World Championships and World Cups.Yakov-kobi (talk) 20:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:20, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Slovakia at the 2014 Winter Olympics#Luge: Unable to find any WP:SIGCOV from independent, reliable sources to meet the WP:GNG. Participating in the Olympics no longer grants inherent notability. Redirect as a WP:ATD per the nom. Let'srun (talk) 02:59, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 18:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Slovakia at the 2014 Winter Olympics as the subject doesn’t meet WP:SPORTCRIT. Could not find any WP:SIGCOV Vorann Gencov (talk) 11:50, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect as above or to Luge at the 2014 Winter Olympics – Doubles#Results. Doesn’t meet WP:SIGCOV. Tau Corvi (talk) 17:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect as suggested as an AtD. We've been presented with sporting results, and from that we're supposed to build a biography of a living human being? WP:SPORTSPERSON requires at least one source which directly details the subject. Nothing like that here. BusterD (talk) 11:28, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]