Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive86
Wikifan12345
[edit]A technical infringement of the topic ban, but assumed to be a genuine error. Accordingly, this request is closed without prejudice to any future appeal, but Wikifan12345 is cautioned to take a more careful approach to his topic ban in future. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:41, 25 March 2011 (UTC) |
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Wikifan12345[edit]
Discussion concerning Wikifan12345[edit]Statement by Wikifan12345[edit]I didn't intend to violate the provisions of my topic ban. My ban does not extend to all articles relating to Arab governments. I can see why this edit can be construed as a violation of the strict rules of I/P arbitration enforcement. If necessary I will strike my contributions or perhaps someone from oversight can remove my edits. I am currently under the mentorship of User:Danger so hopefully she can weigh in on this incident. To be honest I planned on appealing my topic ban within the next few months but this request probably eliminates the chance of being paroled. Thank you. Wikifan12345 (talk) 18:24, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning Wikifan12345[edit]If it was an honest mistake and they were Comment by Danger[edit]I would note that these edits are also part of a pattern of edits ([7], [8], [9], [10]) violating an extended topic ban that Wikifan agreed to as part of the terms of resuming mentorship with me. My good faith is, frankly, entirely used up with regards to this editor. I see no evidence from his actions in editing or from our mentorship that he has any real intention of changing his behavior and I believe that this series of edits is merely part of his desire to negotiate through violations of his ban rather than to contribute meaningfully to other areas of the 'pedia. It is a shame; I wish Wikifan could bring his passion and attention to detail to work here in a constructive manner. Danger (talk) 19:14, 23 March 2011 (UTC) Result concerning Wikifan12345[edit]
Considering that the edits probably did violate the topic ban but that the AfD was only tangentially related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, that is therefore credible that the edits were a mistake and that Wikifan12345 has struck them as suggested by Tarc, I'll close this request without action unless an administrator disagrees. Sandstein 21:14, 24 March 2011 (UTC) I agree that this request should be closed with no action, since Wikifan12345 has admitted the mistake. We assume that he will carefully observe the remainder of his I/P topic ban, which expires on 2 August, 2011. EdJohnston (talk) 03:32, 25 March 2011 (UTC) With three uninvolved admins in agreement, myself being the third, I'll hat this. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:41, 25 March 2011 (UTC) |
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User:Lisa is involved in serial edits re I/P articles, e.g. Irgun and Deir Yassin massacre. I pointed to seriousness of ARBPIA [11], and I added the ARBPIA warning to Talk:Irgun. Reading Lisa's reactions (none, or "what is ES") and related Talkpage blanking ([here, in itself correct of course), I request Lisa get the boilerplate ARBPIA warning
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PANONIAN
[edit]PANONIAN (talk · contribs) notified of WP:DIGWUREN. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:05, 4 April 2011 (UTC) |
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning PANONIAN[edit]
Even if there are some hazy parts in his messages as his English grammar does not always make sense to me, his recent actions look like ethnic based provocations that may be amenable to Wiki policy. Recently, I have tried to contact him telling that this type of behavior is unwelcome on WP and that ask for an Arbitration enforcment warning by an administrator to which the user answered with a talk page revert, using an edit summary of "please find another place for sandbox games".[15]
At this point I'm not asking for a sanction, block or ban. As far as I know, the editor has not been previously aware of the WP:DIGWUREN restrictions, warned of the discretionary sanctions in this area. So that all I would like PANONIAN to receive is an Arbitration enforcment warning by an administrator. Discussion concerning PANONIAN[edit]Statement by PANONIAN[edit]Hi. I do not understand what exactly seems to be the problem here? I never said a single insulting word about ethnic Hungarians anywhere. I only spoke about Hungarian nationalism, which is indeed an potential factor of instability in Eastern Europe. Since when it is not allowed that I say my opinion about nationalism if nationalism is generally described as evil by whole democratic World of 21st century? I am not trying to provoke any "Hungarian users" here. For all decent non-nationalist Hungarians, Trianon was a rightful treaty that allowed freedom and independence to those ethnic groups that lived in the former Kingdom of Hungary. User:Nmate who posted this request against me actually provoking me (and all other non-Hungarian inhabitants of Central Europe) with statement that "Hungary lost 70% of its territory by the Treaty of Trianon". "Its" territory was actually a territory mainly inhabited by Slavs, Romanians and Germans (my own ancestors lived there) and claim of Nmate imply that my ancestors were actually "guests" there and that land in which they lived was not their own, but "Hungarian". That is exact example of this nationalism against which I spoke about. I do not see how user Nmate would have right to say that Trianon was not rightful and I do not have right to say that it was? (general opinion of people and historians from all countries surrounding Hungary is that Trianon was rightful). Why I would not have right to say my opinion about historical events and modern political ideas? I repeat: I never said a single insulting word about ethnic Hungarians or about current Hungarian state. I only spoke about "historical Hungarian state" that oppressed my ancestors and about "imaginary future Greater Hungary" aimed by Hungarian nationalists. Furthermore, I created several ethnic maps that showing areas inhabited by Hungarians (here are examples: [17], [18], [19]), including this map of proposed Hungarian autonomous region and someone who hate Hungarians would certainly not do something like that. As for issues related to other users, I do not want to mention names here, but if I need to present evidences about nationalistic behavior of some users, I will do that. Also, Nmate forgot to say that I said "Have a nice day in Trianon Hungary" to an IP who said that I am an dirty nationalist. Having this in mind, my response was very civil. Anyway, if I said something wrong or inappropriate on any talk page, I hope that administrators will tell me what exactly was the problem. I really cannot understand what Nmate want to say here. And in the end, my 5 minutes long research found this edit of user Nmate who opened this discussion about me. All in all, user Nmate removed Ľudovít Štúr, one of the greatest figures of Slovak history, from "History of Bratislava" article with explanation that he is "irrelevant, unimportant thief-Slovak agitator". This is clear insult for the Slovak people (for those not familiar with Hungarian nationalism, phrase "thief-Slovak" means that "Slovak people are thieves, who stole Hungarian land". Ľudovít Štúr was not a thief in criminal sense, so there is no other possible interpretation of "thief-Slovak" phrase. If that is not an example of ethnic hatred, I do not know what is). An research longer than 5 minutes could reveal more of this, of course. PANONIAN 15:28, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request[edit]Result concerning PANONIAN[edit]
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Hangakiran
[edit]Hangakiran is topic-banned from Janos Boros. Sandstein 22:12, 1 April 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Hangakiran[edit]
Discussion concerning Hangakiran[edit]Statement by Hangakiran[edit]I would like to bring to notice here that the Diff Biruitorul is referring to was posted against Dahn. If you see what has been posted, Dahn persistently used instigating, rude statements like "I'm not going to waste the day bickering about this with you," and later in the same post "Carry on "answering" if you will, but expect to lose all your remaining credibility when you're manipulating info with sophistry.". This I do consider as rude. Since my requests for contribution from Hungarian Editors to the discussion was declared as canvassing, it so happened that all my posts started having counter-posts form either Biruitorul or Dahn. That is when Dahn started being rude and I warned him. In spite of my warnings, he continued even suggesting I stop, which is not in his right to do so. If one looks at the discussion, Biruitorul replies to my replies to Dahn and Dahn replies to my rebuttals to Biruitorul. If the discussion and their involvement is impartial, why do they keep replying for each other? Lastly, when I pointed out that in the discussion I am being hounded by Romanian editors, I would like to clarify I meant that the Hungarian editors being banned from contributing because of alleged canvassing, I was left to defend against these two editors who constantly hounded me by the tone and tenor of their posts. It meant nothing more. Hangakiran (talk) 09:26, 1 April 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Hangakiran[edit]
Result concerning Hangakiran[edit]
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Leidseplein
[edit]Leidseplein warned of WP:DIGWUREN#Discretionary sanctions. Sandstein 07:11, 1 April 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Leidseplein[edit]
There's a couple more in the same vein but that I think is more than enough. There are also a couple strange statements which aren't really any violations but are worth pointing out
Like I said the above three are not obviously any kind of violations of Wikipedia policy but they do seem strange to me.
Response to Leidseplein's accusations
More general comment: I think I can see what happened here. I first "met" Leidseplein at Siege of Kolberg where he provided a third opinion. Our interaction was positive. He came to my talk page and asked me to review his article. So far so good, very nice interaction and at that point I was happy to have run into him (always could use more people writing articles about Poland). Then all of sudden he just blew up at me at Western Betrayal. I was extremely puzzled by this 180-degree change in his attitude; friendly and reasonable before, going straight for the personal attacks and accusations all of sudden. I think the key to the mystery lies in the presence of these "two sekrit" editors, who apparantly, are unwilling to say anything to me personally. Sometime between me reviewing Leidseplein's article for him and the situation at Western Betrayal, he was contacted by these individuals who egged him on and ... well, got him into trouble.
Discussion concerning Leidseplein[edit]Statement by Leidseplein[edit]The editor complaining against me is IMO trying to retaliate for a 3rd Opinion I provided in Talk:Siege of Kolberg (1807). He suddenly started shadowing me, harassing me and disrupting everything I do on wikipedia after the opinion I provided. After numerous false accusations (like accusing me of double reverts), threats, hypocritical accusations of personal attacks, inapplicable appeals to wiki policy and an overall inability to accept cited facts contrary to his POV at Talk:Western betrayal, he has resorted to this overblown and excessively verbose attempt to quash facts he doesn't like...all in service of promoting his version of history (only) and without offering any form of compromise and wihout accepting or countering any of several offered compromise solutions I offered on the talk pages.
The statement of my position about the article in question and the full record are available on the Western Betrayal talk pages. This, along with my 3rd opinion on Talk:Siege of Kolberg (1807) is where the main explanation for this complaint by Volunteer Marek can be found, and my contributions there speak for themselves, both good and bad.
Since Volunteer Marek is asking for nothing except to have me notified that sanctions exist on Wikipedia, consider me notified. Best wishes.Leidseplein (talk) 18:50, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning Leidseplein[edit]Aim was a Digwuren notification. Which has been implicitly acknowledged by Leidseplein as being understood. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. Close this. Collect (talk) 20:51, 31 March 2011 (UTC) (apparently inadvertently removed) Collect (talk) 21:45, 31 March 2011 (UTC) Leidesplein, could you please provide differences (i.e, direct quotes with links to specific postings to the talk pages) in order to support your statement. TFD (talk) 21:22, 31 March 2011 (UTC) I notice that Leidesplein has never been warned and therefore the request should have been presented to ANI instead. I suggest that the request be moved there where there will be greater input from the community. TFD (talk) 21:36, 31 March 2011 (UTC) Result concerning Leidseplein[edit]
Most of the diffs submitted as evidence are not really problematic, but on the whole they do paint a picture of rather passionate argumentativeness, so I am warning Leidseplein to abide by the following principles enunciated by the Arbitration Committee. They apply, of course, to Volunteer Marek and others as well, and this warning is not to be construed as an endorsement of any inappropriate conduct by Volunteer Marek or others.
Noncompliance with these principles and other rules of conduct may result in sanctions as provided for in WP:DIGWUREN#Discretionary sanctions. Sandstein 07:11, 1 April 2011 (UTC) |
BenJonson
[edit]BenJonson (talk · contribs) is topic-banned indefinitely from Shakespeare authorship question, William Shakespeare, and Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford. T. Canens (talk) 00:04, 2 April 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning BenJonson[edit]User against whom enforcement is requested = User:BenJonson Note: He also edits under IPs 68.55.45.214, 76.69.101.88, and 131.118.144.253. Sanction or remedy that this user violated Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Shakespeare_authorship_question#Conduct_and_decorum
Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Shakespeare_authorship_question#Tendentious_editing
Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Shakespeare_authorship_question#Talk_pages
Also most of the examples given here are from talk pages. Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Shakespeare_authorship_question#Casting_aspersions
Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Shakespeare_authorship_question#Revealing_personal_information
Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Shakespeare_authorship_question#Disruptive_influence
Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to
Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction) I will leave that to the administrators, although I do think he has been warned more than enough about his bullying and supercilious behaviour. My wish is that the personally offensive remarks be withdrawn and that he apologise to each editor. Tom Reedy (talk) 20:18, 1 April 2011 (UTC) Additional comments: Please reformat where needed. I found this to be a very difficult template to use and the instructions impenetrable. IMO it should be replaced by a simpler template.
Discussion concerning BenJonson[edit]Statement by BenJonson[edit]A reading that may be of service: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Liberty http://www.bartleby.com/130/ --BenJonson (talk) 21:18, 1 April 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning BenJonson[edit]Result concerning BenJonson[edit]
I count 3 admins, which is more than sufficient to take AE action. Under the authority of Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions, as incorporated by Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Shakespeare authorship question#Discretionary sanctions, BenJonson (talk · contribs) is hereby banned indefinitely from all articles, discussions, and other content related to the Shakespeare authorship question, William Shakespeare, or Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford, broadly construed across all namespaces. T. Canens (talk) 23:59, 1 April 2011 (UTC) |
HantersSpade
[edit]HantersSpade (talk · contribs) has been indefinitely blocked as a sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/HarveyCarter/Archive#02 March 2011. EdJohnston (talk) 01:29, 4 April 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning HantersSpade[edit]
Discussion concerning HantersSpade[edit]Statement by HantersSpade[edit]Comments by others about the request concerning HantersSpade[edit]Result concerning HantersSpade[edit]
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/HarveyCarter/Archive#02 March 2011 indicates that this is a block-evading sockpuppet of HarveyCarter (talk · contribs), so I am blocking it indefinitely on that basis. Sandstein 10:58, 3 April 2011 (UTC) |
Mbz1
[edit]Mbz1 and Passionless are topic banned from all articles and pages covered by WP:ARBPIA for a period of one year. Each editor is further indefinitely interaction banned from the other across all pages. |
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Mbz1[edit]
Discussion concerning Mbz1[edit]Statement by Mbz1[edit]For convenience I will repeat user:Passionless accusations and provide my responses below each of them in green color, with the links being in blue color. IMO this will make it easier to read. I will only stop at the differences that are connected to I/P conflict, but by request could provide an explanation for other differences.
Side note #1 why I call an IP tagging the article "vandalism"[edit]Below is the copy of IP post with my responses in green. This article as it is now is completely unbalanced, as it does not mention the consequences for the Palestinian villages in the vicinity.
(Exactly the same thing happened to the villages nearby the Itamar-settlement 2 weeks ago, after the Itamar killings: a whole village was under house-arrest by the Israeli army, while settlers from Itamar simply stole another 20-25 dunum of privately owned Palestinian olive groves. There is a reason why Israelis call the occupied West Bank for the "Wild West Bank"!)
After the above post at the talk page IP tagged the article that was at Main page at the moment. IP edited the talk page before, but never tagged the article. Tagging the article that is at the Main page is damaging Wikipedia's reputation. Yes, I used "vandalism" in my edit summary. Maybe it was not vandalism per say, but it was a bad faith edit, and wp:gaming
Side note#2 conduct of user:passionless[edit]"Evidences" presented for this AE[edit]As it is seen from my comments above, lot's of "evidences" either old,either have nothing to do with I/P topics, either were collected by other users, who hounded my contributions all over, while User:passionless never bothered to check them out when he filed this AE
Bad faith AfD for the article Murder of Koby Mandell and Yosef Ishran[edit]
Edit warring on the same article[edit]Please see the report. The user was only warned for it, but as user:CIreland said: "I would have blocked if I had seen this first" BLP violation on the same article[edit]The user made this comment at Reliable sources/Noticeboard. There are many problems with the user claims, but one of the biggest problem is a violation of BLP. "I believe these books are spouting lies and cannot be used as sources for facts". In other words passionless is claiming that Barry Rubin, who is the author of one of the books, a professor at the Interdisciplinary Center (IDC) in Herzliya, Israel, the "director of the Israel-based Global Research in International Affairs Center" is "spouting lies". Strange[edit]This admission made by user:passionless is strange IMO. Who was that mysterious admin who advised passionless to file AE with such "evidences"? I'd like to request a full disclosure of this incident please. Topic banned[edit]On February 20 user:passionless was topic banned on I/P related topics. Almost at once the ban was lifted by user:Timotheus Canens. I believe now user:Timotheus Canens is ready to re-install the ban. I'd say it is about time.--Mbz1 (talk) 05:25, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Responses[edit]
So, if you could please come up with a different reason to topic ban me, it will be greatly appreciated because IMO one unfairness that was done against me should not result in the other.
--Mbz1 (talk) 17:21, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning Mbz1[edit]User:Mbz1 mentions me in her comments above. I will mention that Mbz1 has emailed me twice through the Wikipedia email interface. In both cases, these emails were sent from Mbz1 to me after Mbz1 had already "banned" me from her talk page. Of course, I didn't reply at all. In addition, Mbz1 also posted on my talk page after she had already "banned" me from her talk page. Right now I am just amazed by the gall of making such a reference, under the circumstances of all that's gone on. I am resisting saying what I think for now. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:32, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
--Mbz1 (talk) 06:52, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
I advocate an approach where any acquisitions made against an editor are weighed against their useful contributions. From this perspective, the AE case against Mbz1 has very little merit. While contributions on this topic are but a small fraction of her overall contributions, they are significant. Thus no sanction againts Mbz1 is warranted, beyond maybe some interaction restrictions. I have not examined Passionless's contributions from this perspective, but this AE request is a clear manisfestation of a battleground approach. - BorisG (talk) 14:53, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
@HJ Mitchell ("I would be intrigued to hear how they think their presence is beneficial to the the topic area"). Mbz1 has 20,000+ contributions and created 80 new pages. Maybe a half of them was related to Israel, but not necessarily to the "conflict". A lot of them are significant additions/improvement of content, including beautiful illustrations. Passionless has 3,000+ contributions (1,000+ in article space), and he created 2 new pages, specifically about the conflict. This is also good contribution. Thinking logically, banning both contributors from the area would be the most damaging solution for content production, as I also argued in more general terms in arbitration page [116] [117]. Hodja Nasreddin (talk) 15:52, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Passionless's responses to admins/latest comments[edit]
I think an indefinite topic ban may be too much for Mbz1. May I suggest a one-year topic-ban followed by a probationary period? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 23:03, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Since it looks to me as though, to a large extent, Mbz1 was provoked, and since her comments don't appear to me to be particularly heinous (compared to the general level in the IP area), I think that a long-term topic ban would be unjust. Unfortunately, because of her history, Mbz1 has become a bit of an easy mark. I do, though, think that it would be useful to continue the restriction on raising cases on noticeboards. ← ZScarpia 17:11, 5 April 2011 (UTC) Comment by Jaakobou[edit]Regarding Sandstein's comment: The provided diff of special concern leads me to believe -- per "even Sharon himself could have made that call" -- that at the very least Passionless, who first joined the page suggesting it should be deleted, lacks the sensitivity of participating in articles about victims of terrorist attacks. I haven't went much deeper into diffs, but I would find serious offense in the above mentioned provocation. JaakobouChalk Talk 00:16, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Comment by Gatoclass[edit]In relation to Passionless, I would just say that I think at least a couple of his recent blocks were questionable and probably should have been overturned. I'm not persuaded at this point that he has caused enough disruption to warrant an extended topic ban. Gatoclass (talk) 00:41, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Seems to me to be a battle of egos and personalities. i can attest that passionless frequently reverts my edits, claiming POV, but his/her POV is quite selective. not convinced anyone needs a ban here, but maybe just need to learn to be more civil. i get involved in lots of 'wars' but always civily (go ahead, ask around....). i read though the entire exchange above. nothing warrants banning, but rather 'supervision'... Soosim (talk) 13:23, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Comment by Tzu Zha Men[edit]What I see here is nothing more than a couple of editors with an on-going personal feud. The best solution here is an interaction ban. Comment by nsaum75[edit]Either you are going to be fair here and call a spade a spade and take decisive action, or once again a band-aid approach will be taken that will only draw out the situation and lead to further disruption. The inability (or unwillingness) of administrators to take decisive action and the concern over "maintaining balance" only serves to discredit Wikipedia, while maintaining a hostile environment. By allowing the IP area to remain a battlefield (with editors one-upping each other) you are running off good editors and potential new contributors. Wikipedia in general has been suffering from fall in the number of new contributors for a while, and by maintaining the "status quo" administrators here are contributing to the problem. The good of the entire project outweighs the "rights" of individual editors whose primary actions on WP create a battlefield, contribute to animosity and in general run off people who wish to be constructive; Honestly, if you cannot see that, then you don't belong making "decisions" here in this case or any other. -- nsaum75 !Dígame¡ 03:01, 6 April 2011 (UTC) Comment by Betsythedevine[edit]Mbz1 is a prolific and valued contributor in many areas. But ... Rather than take any of her particular remarks out of context, I would urge you to read through Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Blame_Israel_first. This is the AfD of an article created by Mbz1, which was deleted only after a large number of uninvolved editors showed up in response to an ANI post. Until those new people chimed in, it was clear that Mbz1 and her supporters were once again having it all their own way, in happy agreement that the article had no problems with WP:SYNTH or POV, while just a few tried to get the sure-to-be-kept-and-front-paged-via-DYK article made a bit better. Those of us who opposed Mbz1 came in for harsh public criticism, and I myself have refrained from even participating in the discussions of two of her more recent front-paged articles w:User_talk:Mbz1/Archive_3#DYK_for_Murder_of_Koby_Mandell_and_Yosef_Ishran and While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from Within. If Mbz1 is volunteering to abide by some civility restrictions, I would urge you to create something very specific and clear, as were Gwen Gale's restrictions on Mbz1's posting to ANI and AE. It was truly upsetting to see a concern I expressed linked to by Mbz1 as a prime example of "trolls and wikihounds, who hardly wrote an article themselves,who hardly uploaded a picture, and, who are spreading lies about me, like that one for instance, the lies that fools would listen." betsythedevine (talk) 18:50, 6 April 2011 (UTC) The last appeal by Mbz1[edit]At closing administrator: I wrote such articles as
Banning me on the topic would mean removing from the topic a unique contributor. I am an unique contributor nobody, but me wrote an article about culture or history of people from the opposite side of conflict. Yes, AfD, could get heated sometimes, but I realize that calling users "trolls" is unacceptable. I could be banned on using this word. I could be placed on zero tolerance civility alert, but there's absolutely nothing in the presented, taken out of content differences, none of which was made in the main space to topic-ban me on I/P conflict. Please allow me to contribute to wikipedia. Please do not make your decision on totality of evidences, make your decision on their quality. Thanks
Statement by Broccolo[edit]
Statement by Cptnono[edit]See the above. I also agree that civility restrictions on Mbz1 could do the trick. I also agree that Passionless is an infuriating editor. However, the block log is going to be the deciding factor as is made clear by the comments by admins below. Mbz1 will be blocked. So this is a message of support. I have no doubt that Mbz1 can return to the topic area and contribute the quality shown throughout the project. I cannot tell you how impressed I am with her images and the fact that she is nowhere near an SPA. So Bwilkins wants to make sure indef means at least 1 year. 1 year is a pretty long time considering the rate of retirement here. A stiff block (3 month, 6 months, 1 year, 5 years, 20 years) will all serve the same purpose. Of course, anything I say means nothing since I have been pretty uncivil. But Mbz1 is actually one of the editors who consistently contributes decent (if not fantastic) content. Although we are not supposed to be biased in regards to length of service, adminship, and so on... we are. Mbz1 deserves the respect that editors who actually contribute should recieve. If it takes a year for her to come back then so be it. It doesn't look like anyone is willing to give "another chance" but keep in mind while deciding, admins, that Pasionless's report is flawed for the most part. Yes, there was some wrongdoing on Mbz1's part but nowhere near the level asserted with that bombardment. Good luck and thank you Mbz1.Cptnono (talk) 04:52, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning Mbz1[edit]
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Anonimu
[edit]No block. Anonimu is warned not to edit war, and that 1RR and ARBMAC apply to his edits. EdJohnston (talk) 00:53, 8 April 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Anonimu[edit]
I don't know what can be done. To me it seems a case impossible to fix. However, I'll let those in charge to decide. All I am looking for is a collaborative, friendly environment. When I joined Wikipedia and started WP:DACIA in good faith and out of interest for history, I didn't imagine I would spend my time writing such a report, instead of creating articles...
Based on these edits and many other aggressive edits of Dacia-related articles (and not only), while refusing to collaborate, be a team-player, be civil, join WP:DACIA if he has a genuine interest in it, one can obviously see that he is hounding and stalking the project, the articles, me personally and other collaborators. He seems to have a xenophobic obsession to minimize or plainly remove any references to Dacians and/or Getae from historical articles, using sophistry, gaming the system and being generally engaged in disruptive editing. Additionally, if you check his edit history, many of his edits are in highly controversial articles, trying to push marginal POVs by force, actively seeking conflict. A high majority of his edit comments are ironical, hostile, far from civility, full of reverts everywhere. To me these are blatant breaches of these conditions imposed into him when his ban was provisionally suspended:
I personally made countless attempts to invite him to collaboration, team work, and to created an enjoyable environment around the articles of shared interest, within WP:DACIA scope or elsewhere. It seems hopeless and impossible, and a lot of time is spent trying to recover articles from his disruptive edits instead of working on quality content and something enjoyable. And above all, I fail to see how he respects ANY of the conditions imposed after his ban was suspended. Because of all this, I am sadly forced to request a thorough review of his case.
User notified here. Discussion concerning Anonimu[edit]Statement by Anonimu[edit]As it can clearly be seen from CodrinB's links, this is just a content dispute, and moreover a personal grudge against me because I don't support a revisionist theory discredited in Romania long time ago (i.e. Protochronism). Otherwise why would an AfD that I've initiated and was deleted by the community on policy grounds be considered by him a violation of policy? Why would a merging of two articles about the same topic and a removal of a tag from a talk page be considered violation? Why is the restoration of sources he deleted because they didn't fit his theory called vandalism? Also, please check the "high majority" of my edit summaries.. all are just (admittedly subjective) descriptions of the edits, yet they are regarded as "ironical, hostile, far from civility" !?! Accusations of this kind are a common tactic used by CodrinB in his attempt to monopolise articles with minority views and drive editors away from them (see similar accusations thrown at User:Daizus here that ultimately made him leave in disgust). The editor has a serious problem with the personal attacks he keeps throwing at people who disagree with his peculiar interpretation of sources (see blatant examples above, such as me having a "xenophobic obsession"), and, after this is finished, I'm thinking about starting a RfC about his conduct.Anonimu (talk) 08:17, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Comments by others concerning Anonimu[edit]
In other words, I concur with Codrin. Yours trulyBoldwin (talk) 11:51, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning Anonimu[edit]
I don't think that this is actionable in terms of arbitration enforcement, because the sanction that you ask us to enforce has been vacated by the Committee itself. The cited unblock message by Roger Davies says that: "This suspension may be rescinded at any time and the community ban reinstated by majority vote of ArbCom if you are in breach of any of the above conditions." This means that only the Committee may reinstate the ban, and any request to that effect should be directed to the Committee at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Amendment. An independent request for enforcement could conceivably be based on WP:DIGWUREN, but would require a prior notification of that case. Even then, the only obviously problematic conduct reported in the request is the edit-warring on Capidava, the other matters look like content disputes. Sandstein 05:39, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
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Verman1
[edit]Consensus is that Verman1 (talk · contribs) is topic banned for six months. If problems continue after six months, the topic ban can easily be re-applied. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:03, 9 April 2011 (UTC) |
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Verman1[edit]
Topic ban or block
The evidence which I have presented above represents only a small fraction of the numerous reverts and blatant violations of Wikipedia's policies that Verman1 has committed. The articles which he has edited are related in one way or another to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and I honestly do not know where to begin. Verman1's most problematic edits have taken place on two church articles. Currently, in the Republic of Azerbaijan, as a result of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, all the Armenian churches have been rechristened as "Caucasian Albanian" as part of a systematic process to deny the Armenians any connection to the history of the region. However, virtually all historians agree that these medieval-era churches, Tsitsernavank and Gandzasar, were built and maintained by Armenians living in the region and this is reflected in the sources used in these articles. Many of them have, in fact, condemned the historical revisionism that the government of Azerbaijan publishes and disseminates and, by all appearances, it seems that Verman1 has been aggressively pushing these points of view despite the fact that scholars attach no credence to them. Accordingly, beginning with his very first edits to these two articles, Verman1 has deliberately removed any mention of the Armenian origin of these churches and replaced them with Caucasian Albanian; deleted their sources, which are written by Western, peer-reviewed scholars, and replaced them with partisan, unreliable websites which are not considered scholarly by anyone's stretch of the imagination. This is the reason why most editors considered his edits as ill-faith and refused to categorize them as legitimate content disputes. Thus, numerous editors reverted his edits, since they were considered to be written in such a one-sided and blatantly misleading manner that they could not be construed as being done out of good-faith. But Verman simply labeled those editors who reverted him as individuals engaging in vandalism, and this term has been used excessively in almost every edit he has reverted because they apparently do not conform to his point of view and are thus considered "wrong". The discussions on these two pages never really went anywhere either because when Verman1 was invited to provide reliable, third party sources to support his edits, he was unable to produce anything of the like and, at most, gave indirect and otherwise circumstantial evidence. What is more, he dismissed sources written by reliable authors immediately when they were used to refute his claims. Despite all this, he never made any compromises and never showed any inclination that he was ready to achieve a consensus, instead essentially telling other users, in stark black and white terms, that only their edits were "wrong" and his were "right". The bewildering number of edit wars aside, Verman1 also engaged in turning Wikipedia into an ethnic battleground when he dismissed a source because of the fact that its author was Armenian (see here) and was warned by an administrator on that page to desist from such comments. The scope of his edits is also troubling: Verman1 never did try to limit himself to resolving disputes on one or two articles but began expanding his activities, along with a suspicious user, Dighapet to perhaps a dozen related articles, ensnaring other editors to revert the controversial changes. In almost none of these articles did he ever list his grievances on the talk page and never presented convincing reasons as to why his edits bore weight for inclusion. There is also a little concern for why such activity spiked now: Verman1 created his account on Oct. 1 2010 but only began to really edit on Feb. 14, 2011. Note that another controversial user who edits in this area, Ehud Lesar, after a seven month absence, started editing again on February 15, 2011 and making controversial edits, which included warring with Dighapet here. Note that it is not the first time something really fishy happens involving Ehud Lesar, since there was one arbitration about him here. As for Dighapet, this was already provided during the previous case, account created on Febuary 22, 2011 and his English is very much similar to Verman1 and they nearly always act together (see their history of contribution). All of these edits involving multiple articles happened after another editor, Tuscumbia was topic banned. The action by Verman1 and Dighapet appears to be geared at involving the most users possible which obviously would result in having them either blocked or placed under greater restrictions. Even after Verman1 was warned by two administrators to edit constructively and try to discuss and achieve consensus, he has shown no inclination to do so and has carried on as usual. There is much more that can be said but I think the evidence that has been presented thus far would warrant some action.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 04:28, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Verman1[edit]Statement by Verman1[edit]I put references when I did edits. These can not be taken as vandalism. I totally reject this accusation that I work with Dighapet. It is absurd to claim that. Especially "Their English is very similiar" is very ridiculous claiming. I have tried to edit falsified armenian names in Azerbaijan territory (What if some American city names will be changed to the Mexican names? That would be the same nonsense as to put armenian namings to Azerbaijani city and villages). Regarding churches, there are plenty of evidence supporting my edits. I put all of these evidence both in discussion page and in article itself. I showed good will and tried not to engage in edit-war, but all my efforts gone vain, just because some users like Ashot Arzumanyan, Marshal Bagramyan or Moosh88 always tried to engage into edit war, without bringing any argument to do so. I want relevant admins to pay attention to articles [Tsitsernavank Monastery] and [Gandzasar Monastery] and find out everything by themselves, as it is clear that people accusing me in edit-war engaged in this by themselves first. Regards, --Verman1 (talk) 07:11, 8 April 2011 (UTC) Statement by Vidovler[edit]Verman1 believes Armenians being inferior, he wrote in his comment twice the word Armenian without capitilizing it, while he capitilized the words English and Azerbaijani. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gandzasar_monastery Dighapet writes: Yes, I give consensus to Verman's edits. Dighapet dismissed all of his opponents as people even not worth consideration, as if only him and Verman1 are worth consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vidovler (talk • contribs) 14:43, 8 April 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Verman1[edit]
Result concerning Verman1[edit]
Verman1's decided propensity for edit warring and combativeness on talkpages argue for a topic ban in the 3–6 months range. Does anyone object?
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Request concerning R. fiend
[edit]R. fiend reminded of the definition of "revert". No other action taken at the moment. |
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Discussion concerning R. fiend[edit]Statement by R. fiend[edit]This is bullshit for several reasons. First of all, I made two completely non-related edits: first I removed a template which Domer basically said wasn't relevant ("I do not have an issue with the information"), and when it was put back, I let it go, as the epidemic of the overuse of templates is not the hill I want to die on. Later I removed a completely unrelated edit by a different editor, on the rationale that it did not seem relevant to the article and read like a non-sequitur. I explained why I did so and invited anyone who disagreed to explain why this sentence was relevant to this article. I don't see how this can be called a revert. If one wanted to be an anal retentive wikilawyer about it (something I'm sure Domer would not wish to do, as he consistently berates wikilawyering), one might argue that regardless of what edits were made, if, by happenstance, the resulting versions were the same, it is a revert. To put Domer's mind at ease that I was not editing the same version of the same article twice, I made a very minor change, so that I could get around this absurd technicality with another technicality. This was irrelevant, as the two versions were not the same in either case (note the presence of that template in the latter edits). So what I did was edit the same article twice, and somehow that's supposed to equal me making more than one revert in 24 hours. Doesn't make much sense to me. Additionally, Domer himself added the same template twice within 24 hours, so by his logic he is more guilty than I am. -R. fiend (talk) 22:34, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
My statements above have been moved to a separate section, which is basically fine, but since some of them were specific responses to comments by admins they now seem out of place, and the thing reads a bit like an odd conversation with myself. Is there a way to remedy this without reinserting them in the section below? -R. fiend (talk) 14:30, 10 April 2011 (UTC) Statement by EdJohnston[edit]Some recent edits by User:R. fiend at Tom Clarke (Irish republican):
This is three reverts by User:R. fiend on April 8th, which breaks the 1RR restriction. User:Domer48 added the Refimprove template to the 'Planning the uprising' section twice on 8 April, first time at 14:43 and the second time at 19:02. The first addition counts as adding new material, since Refimprove had not been on that section before. Only the second addition is a *revert* by Domer48. So I'm not seeing that Domer48 broke the 1RR on April 8. EdJohnston (talk) 12:26, 9 April 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning R. fiend[edit]Statement by Volunteer Marek - This IS indeed very silly. If the removal of that one sentence is in fact uncontroversial, then how is he supposed to remove it? If he does it now he's "edit warring" (with himself) and violating 1RR. If he waits and does it later, he is "gaming the system". So the sentence MUST stay. Ummm, any of you AE geniuses read this book Joseph Heller once wrote? I'm having trouble remembering it's name. Blocks are used to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia; they should not be intended as a punishment. Could Timotheus Canens or EdJohnston please bear this in mind. MacStep (talk) 06:32, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning R. fiend[edit]
Closing as no action. The discussion above should have adequately reminded R. fiend of the definition of a "revert" for the purposes of xRR rules. Looking the whole thing over again, I'm not inclined to impose a block when the second removal is apparently noncontroversial. R. fiend should try, however, to avoid the appearance of gaming a restriction in their future edits. T. Canens (talk) 18:01, 10 April 2011 (UTC) |