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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 12, 2022.

Vache Marine

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 20#Vache Marine

Zeekoe

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 20#Zeekoe

Untitled third Fantastic Beasts film (soundtrack)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 04:03, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notwithstanding that the target now has a title, it also doesn't have a soundtrack section or inline subject identified. Steel1943 (talk) 22:50, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Red Luigi & Green Mario

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 20#Red Luigi & Green Mario

Alex 3

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 04:01, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Appears to be a neologism, I can't find any instances of Alexander III being referred to this way online. I did, however, find several papers about a protein named Alex3 ([1], [2], [3]) and one about a political simulator ([4], probably not notable). I think that deletion is the way to go here. signed, Rosguill talk 21:11, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Delete. @Rosguill, you beat me by seconds to nominating this. ― Qwerfjkltalk 21:14, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Yaraana (2014 film)

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The result of the discussion was delete. As a misunderstanding by the redirect creator. Jay (talk) 03:55, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No indication that this film was re-released in 2014, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 20:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see what that link is supposed to prove, could you explain? signed, Rosguill talk 21:17, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Since you edited your first comment, I'll add: the article linked does not state that the film was altered in 2014, and was in fact originally published in 2013 according to the website. The article was apparently last updated in 2014, but that in itself doesn't tell us anything. signed, Rosguill talk 21:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Neel, since you cited "speedy keep", please review WP:SKCRIT and explain how it meets the criteria for speedy keeping. -- Tavix (talk) 01:19, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Do not delete There are some search results in Google published in 2014 which show that the film was altered in 2014. Neel.arunabh (talk) 22:46, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's not clear how or why you're drawing that conclusion from these search results. signed, Rosguill talk 23:15, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please check each reliable source in the search results. Neel.arunabh (talk) 23:23, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So, I was prepared to type something about needing to do your own legwork and not demanding others do your research for you...but genuinely I don't even see any reliable sources in that list, I see a bunch of youtube videos that appear to be clips of the film itself, followed by lyrics websites and social media. Farther down we have this article, which is reliable I guess but again doesn't say anything about 2014 and barely even says anything about Yaraana. signed, Rosguill talk 23:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Rosguill And then scroll down further and check the next results exluding the SoundCloud and Quora. And some of the sources might be referring the 1981 film. The Business Standard page you linked is also mentioning a particular song from the 1981 film. The only reliable source mentioning the film is NDTV. Neel.arunabh (talk) 23:41, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Tavix I had not realized that the India Today article was actually about the 1981 film.
Tavix Why did you revert my edit of December 2021. That was a completely different edit where I changed the heading from "Songs" to "Soundtrack". Neel.arunabh (talk) 01:33, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Because I do not trust your competency to edit that article constructively. -- Tavix (talk) 01:36, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Decline of classical polytheism

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 20#Decline of classical polytheism

History of Christianity/Jesus, pre-4th century Christianity, and syncretism

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 20#History of Christianity/Jesus, pre-4th century Christianity, and syncretism

Domestic church

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 20#Domestic church

Boaz Trust

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 19#Boaz Trust

History of The Church of Jesus Christ

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 19#History of The Church of Jesus Christ

His Church

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 03:24, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Very vague (not sure what it is supposed to designate; whose "his" is it?), unused.
I recommend deletion. Veverve (talk) 19:57, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Ecclesia (church)

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Ecclesia#Religion. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:16, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The first redirect seems to be the result of a merger. The current target is way too narrow for an expression used either for a Christian denomination, a Church (building), or Christian Church.
Both redirects should be retargetted to the DAB Church. Veverve (talk) 19:54, 12 January 2022 (UTC) EDIT: Or retargetted to Ecclesia (disambiguation)#Religion. Veverve (talk) 23:11, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I also support this proposal. I had not thought about this target. Veverve (talk) 02:30, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Giggle water

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 19#Giggle water

Suburban station

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The result of the discussion was keep. Jay (talk) 17:11, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The term in sentence case is generic. Per WP:DIFFCAPS, is there a better target? Certes (talk) 15:57, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Suburban railway redirects to Commuter rail, but doesn't really discuss stations. Railway station doesn't really go into detail about different types of station, but does mention suburban stations in passing a few times - and this assumes that it's a railway station and not some other type station (e.g. bus station). For all capitalisations, the current target seems to be the primary topic anyway so alternative topics (if there are any suitable, everything else seems to be specific stations that are in suburban areas) would be better as a hatnote anyway. Thryduulf (talk) 16:17, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - This redirect is used to aid navigation per WP:USSTATION. I also wonder if there is a better target for this, but the nominator does not seem to have brought anything up, so a hatnote on the target page should suffice if there's any possible confusion with anything else. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:23, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, seems like the most suitable target. A hatnote to Commuter rail might be reasonable. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 18:41, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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UCI 2019

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 19#UCI 2019

Mainspace redirects to meetups and editathons

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The result of the discussion was delete. I have not gone through the history or checked incoming links for the entries because of the large number. Contact me if there are specific entries to be reviewed. Jay (talk) 05:18, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
73 additional redirects

Delete. These 74 redirects, most of the cryptically named, are all in the article namespace and point to project space pages about meetps and editathons that took place between 2017 and 2021. While the utility of such redirects making it easier for participants to find details before, during and shortly after the event can be argued, any utility these once had has now gone. I speedily deleted 5 similar redirects that were clearly created in error but these all appear to have been created intentionally, and I will be nominating the one redirect that I think has a plausible alternative target separately. They were created by multiple people, so a single G7 is not possible either. Thryduulf (talk) 15:25, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirects to Superficial charm

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The result of the discussion was I think I got these all correct except I handled each one manually before discovering the closer option. I've never created a disambiguation page before so if someone could check Charm offensive, I'd appreciate it. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 23:17, 21 January 2022 (UTC). Liz Read! Talk! 23:17, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

41 nonsense links nominated for deletion. All were created by the lead contributor of the article Superficial charm to redirect to his work, however, the article does not discusss these concepts (e.,g empathy, compassion, smiling). Most of these word combinations are unconventional and most have virtually no pageviews. They do, however, clutter search options on Wikipedia. (Updated comment on January 11)Wiki-psyc (talk) 22:16, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete This link is 1 of 41 that were posted by a currently suspended editor who was apparently promote an article he had originated. The link is an unused in the past, highly unlikely to be used in the future, and has little relevance to the article to which it points. Wiki-psyc (talk) 22:20, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Bundled 41 nominations made by Wiki-psyc with identical rationale and target article. N.b., I also tagged every single one of these redirects which were missing an RfD tag. CycloneYoris talk! 23:21, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I was going to do the tagging after a conference call. Appreciate the help. Wiki-psyc (talk) 23:56, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Strange how these are all? tagged with {{R from shortcut}} {{R to Wikipedia namespace}}. ― Qwerfjkltalk 12:30, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strange how you only ended up removing one of those from all the pages. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)
23:46, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I was going through mainspace R from shortcuts. ― Qwerfjkltalk 08:42, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:AAR

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 22#Wikipedia:AAR

Texas United States state elections, 2006

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Aervanath (talk) 21:23, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Completely pointless redirect (nonsensical redundancy, no one would ever type this) created by someone who was banned at the time (and still is). Elli (talk | contribs) 18:50, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note the requested G5 of this redirect has been declined so it is not eligible for speedy deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 19:07, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep this does occasionally get a cluster of views (presumably around the time of other elections in Texas, but I've not verified that) and it is also harmless so I'm not seeing what benefit deletion will bring. Simply being created by a banned editor is not a good reason on it's own to delete a page, there has to be some actual benefit to doing so and deleting a 15 year old harmless redirect seems to lack that. Thryduulf (talk) 19:16, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Since tracking began this has gotten 112 views. A decent portion do coincide with elections in Texas, but the target article would likely be found without it. This also is just not a meaningful way to refer to the target page. You could say "Texas elections" or "Texas state elections", but "Texas United States state elections" doesn't make sense -- the "United States" implies it's a federal election (as is generally done, for example with Senate or presidential elections). And I agree that being created by a banned editor on its own does not necessitate deletion, but I don't see how this redirect is helpful to the project. It's a bunch of words with dubious meaning. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:21, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    How is this a bunch of words with dubious meaning? What else could it refer to other than 2006 state elections in the US state of Texas - i.e. the target? The question is not "what benefit does this bring the project?", because it obviously helps some people find the target they are looking for, the question is "does the benefit from keeping this outweigh combination of the benefits of deletion and the harm caused by deletion?". The answer to that is "yes", because although the benefits from keeping are small, deletion has an equally small harm and no apparent benefits. Thryduulf (talk) 23:37, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    "Texas United States state elections" does not have meaning or usage in English. Google it, this redirect is the only thing that comes up. This is the only redirect in the format of "STATE United States state elections, YEAR" on the project, readers don't seem to be having any trouble finding our other articles on similar topics without the existence of similar redirects. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:23, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Lack of google hits for an exact phrase does not speak to whether a phrase has meaning or not - "seven elephants quietly ate tofu" has no google hits as an exact phrase but the meaning is perfectly clear, "2006 Texas elections to the United States senate" is also unused as an exact phrase (as far as Google knows) but the meaning is unambiguous. WP:OTHERSTUFF existing or not existing is not relevant. The only thing we are concerned about is whether deletion brings more benefit to the project than keeping, but as, despite all your words, you've still not identified any benefits at all (the redirect is not confusing, ambiguous, in the way of other content or otherwise harmful) the answer is no because small but non-zero benefits are greater than either zero benefits and small harm let alone both. Thryduulf (talk) 03:45, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I agree with what Thryduulf has said, and I won't repeat all that he has said. However, the essential point is that even if it seems unlikely that it will be helpful to anyone, this redirect, which has been in existence for over 15 years, cannot possibly do any harm, so nothing whatever can possibly be achieved by deleting it. It just may be helpful to someone, and if so it's better to keep it, whereas if it is never helpful then no harm will be done by keeping it. Our time would be better spent on doing things which will actually be helpful to users of the encyclopaedia rather than putting time into trying to make pointless changes which cannot possibly confer any benefit whatever. JBW (talk) 09:33, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I disagree that this redirect causes "no possible harm". If a reader did happen to find the article via this redirect, they'd expect similar redirects for other articles to exist -- and become confused when they don't. All utility that this redirect potentially has is counteracted by the confusion caused to anyone who would successfully use it. Elli (talk | contribs) 19:52, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That's a nice theory, but it has never held up in practice - see WP:OTHERSTUFF. In the unlikely event that someone is confused by the lack of a similar redirect then they can create it, or ask for it to be created, and that redirect will be just as harmless as this one. Thryduulf (talk) 22:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That's not the substance of OTHERSTUFF. The only case in which this redirect has utility is a case in which it causes greater harm than the utility it provides. There's no reason to expect someone to use this to find an article -- it's not a sensible rephrasing of the title -- but if someone were to do so, it has the potential to confuse them due to it being the only redirect of its type. Redirects similar to this certainly should not be created to any other articles. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:03, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy delete per WP:G5. The sockmaster was blocked 30 August 2006 and the redirect was created by the sockpuppet on 12 October 2006. -- Tavix (talk) 16:07, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    As previously noted, this redirect is not eligible for speedy deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 22:45, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    And as I previously explained, this redirect is eligible for speedy deletion. The reason given for the decline is not actually an exception to G5. -- Tavix (talk) 16:30, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Every objection to speedy deletion made in good faith means that the page is not eligible for speedy deletion according to policy. Even if it wasn't an exception to G5 (which it actually is - G5 only permits, not requires, deletion). That there are recommendations here to do something other than delete further invalidates speedy deletion. The speedy deletion policy explicitly says that only pages that uncontroversially meet a criterion may be speedily deleted, any good faith objection to a speedy deletion request means that deletion is controversial. Thryduulf (talk) 16:44, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That it was declined simply means that it not going to actioned without consensus to do so here, but I still think it should be deleted "per G5" because it still meets the speedy deletion criterion for G5. -- Tavix (talk) 16:57, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You thinking it should be deleted is fine, but "per G5" is not because it does not meet the criterion for G5. Speedy deletion criteria only apply when deletion would be uncontroversial - when there are objections it is not uncontroversial so the criterion does not apply. Thryduulf (talk) 17:36, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    "Uncontroversial" as a criterion is only for G6. It is not used for any other criteria. -- Tavix (talk) 17:42, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You might need to reread the policy page then, as the introduction makes it clear that speedy deletion may only be used when deletion is uncontroversial. That applies to every criterion. Thryduulf (talk) 17:46, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That's the process, not the criteria. We're past the step where ...the deletion is controversial and another deletion process should be used, which is why this is being hashed out at RfD—another deletion process. -- Tavix (talk) 17:53, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Exactly - it is being hashed out at another deletion process because it is not eligible for speedy deletion due to being controversial. Arguing for deletion because it meets a criterion when it objectively does not meet that criterion is the issue here. Thryduulf (talk) 19:20, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    No, I am advocating for deletion because it meets the criterion for speedy deletion as laid out at WP:G5. It is not being deleted through the speedy deletion process because that was objected to. -- Tavix (talk) 19:57, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The point is that it doesn't meet the criterion. Being uncontroversial is a requirement, it fails that so the rest is not relevant. Thryduulf (talk) 20:09, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The editor proposing deletion has taken the time to call it to our attention. Unless we have a substantial reason to disagree, or a controversy, we should support him. And yes, I agree and respect Thryduulf's point that the benefits of keeping are small and the benefits of deletion are equally small. For this reason I error on the side of the editors good faith efforts. I trust that he took this into account before nominating and his request is reasonable. We here to make sure there are no grievous errors - not micromanage and second guess every request. Wiki-psyc (talk) 20:36, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    No, the relevant part of the reaosn we are here is to ensure that the only redirects which get deleted are those where the benefits of deletion outweigh the costs of deleting and the benefits of keeping. Nobody has yet managed to articulate any actual benefits to deletion. We are not here to just rubber stamp requests. Thryduulf (talk) 22:49, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as speedy G5, and because it actually helps: at the moment, if you start searching for "Texas United St..." in the dropdown search box, you get this nonsense redirect as first result, ahead of 6 redirects which actually make some sense (like Texas United States relations and Texas United States Senate election, 2006). Making searching for correct things easier is a clear benefit of deleting this incorrect redirect. Fram (talk) 10:43, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is not a case where there is a tiny benefit and no harm. This is a case where there is zero benefit. If there were no harm too, I'd say "meh" and ignore this discussion, but Fram provides a concrete example of a harm. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:34, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    So you are conveniently going to ignore the benefit to those people who use the redirect? Every time it is brought up, redirects that some people dislike appearing in search suggestions has never reached consensus as actually being something that harms the project because it doesn't actually make it any harder for people to find the content they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 16:47, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    No, I'm not "conveniently" ignoring anything, I don't believe that these benefits you claim (without evidence it seems) actually exist, while I have demonstrated a real disadvantage. Because yes, in this case, it does make it harder to find the right content, as the redirect under discussion is confusing and named in a way which resembles the other (good) redirects way too closely, for a topic which isn't normally called thus. Fram (talk) 16:56, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The only reason people are "using" this redirect is because it is popping up first in the search box. I'd be willing to wager almost all of them don't actually want "2006 Texas Elections", because if they did, they wouldn't start typing "Texas Unites St...". And the undeserved snark you're sending my way isn't appreciated. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:06, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You can "wager" all you like, but we have evidence that this is being used and no evidence that it is actually hindering anyone finding the content they want, beyond speculation and personal dislike. Thryduulf (talk) 17:38, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Jesus, you got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. I guess I'll disengage, I do not deserve the disrespect you're showing me. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:15, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not intentionally showing anybody any disrespect - I am simply asking for evidence to back up assertions for which no evidence has yet been presented. Thryduulf (talk) 19:22, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • When is an Rcat coming to hide a redirect's placement in search suggestions? Because I hope it comes soon. J947messageedits 03:15, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    See phab:T24251 for that, but don't hold your breath - the request will be 12 years old in a couple of weeks. Thryduulf (talk) 13:46, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @J947 and others, I've put in a request to fix this to the community wishlist for this year - see m:Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Search/Hide some titles from search suggestions where you can add your support. Thryduulf (talk) 01:07, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Fram. ― Qwerfjkltalk 07:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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MoS4

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Tetrathiomolybdate. Jay (talk) 17:04, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do I understand it correctly that this is the formula of the tetrathiomolybdate ion? In that case, it should be retargeted there. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)
20:42, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MoS4 is the formula for part of many derivatives of tetrathiomolybdate. It's not a big deal. Kinda surprised it came up. --Smokefoot (talk) 20:48, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: As it's unclear if Smokefoot's comment was a support for the retarget.
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Untitled God of War sequel

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Aervanath (talk) 21:21, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I was asked to expand on my rationale here.[5] Consensus was quite clear that all of the redirects should be deleted on the basis of inaccuracy. There was a minority view that God of War (2021 video game), should have been kept as a redirect as some pre-2022 sources would rightly refer to this as a 2021 game, as it was originally planned to be. Additionally, it does follow the video game naming conventions so it is a reasonable expected title. However, consensus was still to delete.-- Aervanath (talk) 19:29, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The game is now titled, so this temporary page title has served its temporary purpose. Delete. Neo-corelight (Talk) 09:54, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Added other related redirects. Neo-corelight (Talk) 10:15, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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DATERANGE

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 17:02, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

this is a shortcut redirect in the main namespace but without any pseudonamespace prefix. WP:DATERANGE and MOS:DATERANGE both exist and take people to the relevant section of the target article so this one is not needed. Thryduulf (talk) 11:26, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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DAR2018

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 16:57, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We don't need a cryptic shortcut from the article namespace to a 2018 editathon. Thryduulf (talk) 11:22, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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U.S. state and federal district WikiProjects

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 16:56, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not we should have redirects from the mainspace to WikiProjects, there is absolutely no reason to have redirects from the mainspace to a list of userboxes for WikiProjects. I'd have speedied this under R3 if it wasn't 9 months10 years old. Thryduulf (talk) 11:14, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Gonnym (talk) 11:20, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Comics Wikiproject

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 16:53, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It seems unlikely that someone would know about these specific WikiProjects before they learn about namespaces. There is an article at WikiProject, but I don't think we should redirect these two (the only two that have links in mainspace as far as I've found) to a page that does not mention them. Thryduulf (talk) 11:05, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Gonnym (talk) 11:20, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Cologne Blue (skin)

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Cleanup template

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Aervanath (talk) 21:17, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure that we need a cross-namespace redirect from the article namespace to a list of internal templates. Thryduulf (talk) 10:39, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. I also don't see a reason to grandfather things like this. Gonnym (talk) 11:22, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I'm not sure that these shouldn't be kept, since They were both created in 2008 and are "grandfathered in" by community agreement, which takes precedent over any local delete !votes and rationales. Present CNR consensus is to leave these useful and helpful shortcut redirects as is and usually (not always) delete only new CNRs. The plural was created with an edit summary of "let's make this easier to find and get to" and the singular created a month later, presumably for the same reason. Guess I'm not certain that these aren't These are still useful and helpful shortcuts. There is no reason to alter the community consensus. What harm do these redirects do? P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 11:03 20:43, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Chinese hat

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Enthusiast

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The result of the discussion was retarget/keep pointing to Enthusiasm with hatnote to Fan (person). There was no consensus for or against creating a disambiguation page at Enthusiast (disambiguation), but RfD's permission is not needed to create one; MB's draft DAB lives on in the page history for anyone inclined do so. (non-admin closure) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 08:56, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: In closing, I noticed that Enthusiasts had never been properly tagged. I see it as extremely unlikely that it being tagged would have made a difference to the outcome of the RfD, and so will stand by the close rather than bureaucratically give this a fourth relist. Friendly reminder to tag redirects you bundle, though, Mdewman6. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 09:01, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This had redirected to Enthusiasm for over 15 years. Recently changed to Fan (person), which may be a better target even if less linguistically related. The two articles link to each other, so either is plausible. If left at the new target, the hatnotes on both need to be updated. I've drafted a potential dab too, which is probably best at Enthusiast (disambiguation). MB 04:04, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Schools inspector

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. -- Aervanath (talk) 21:15, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This refers to one school inspection agency, in one country. Not a representative redirect; WP:GLOBALISE. —🎄☃️❄️ Season's greetings from AFreshStart (talk) ❄️☃️🎄 02:54, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, yes, but WHERE TO? Johnbod (talk) 12:34, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. Based on my searches, Ofsted is the clear primary topic for this exact phrase - even excluding "ofsted" and "UK" from the search term that still accounts for the significant majority of relevant results (i.e. excluding "how to say" and "translation" results), the only exceptions down to page 4 were 1 each for Zimbabwe, Cayman Islands and Victoria, Australia, and not one of which was in a reliable source. Add that we don't have any appropriate article about school inspections/inspectors from anywhere other than the UK so we don't have a suitable alternative (Inspectorate doesn't even mention the word school, so that's not appropriate). Thryduulf (talk) 13:56, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep per Thryduulf: it's the best we've got. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:27, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. A schools inspector is a person or entity that inspects schools. Googling the term from my non-UK location, I get lots of stuff about the general concept of schools inspectors, or about random schools inspectors in the U.S., and nothing about one particular agency in a country home to less than 1% of the global population. Ofsted is no more the clear primary topic here than National Health Service is for health system. Rather, this just looks to be one of those cases where we don't have an article on the primary topic. WP:PRIMARYRED says, On the rare occasions that a red-linked article would be the primary topic, the situation is treated as if there is no primary topic until the red-linked article is written. Per that, United Kingdom schools inspector would be a permissible redirect here, but this one is not, and should be deleted per WP:REDLINK. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 05:25, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • I take issue with that slightly (setting aside the spurious 1%...). Ofsted is the primary topic for "Schools inspector" in England (not actually UK, incidentally), and so if a reader wanted to know about Schools inspectors in England then the Ofsted article is the right place. That target is not perfect, but it is the only article (I can find) about schools inspectors, and deletion is harmful to those who were concerned with England. I've just created Schools inspector (England). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:22, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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'A

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Pavilion (video game)

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The result of the discussion was retarget to List of PC games (P). Jay (talk) 06:38, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Title is not in list and it is unclear to me that it was published for PlayStation or Vita. Pavilion: Touch Edition does appear to have been published for mobile platforms, so it might be a reasonable search term, but I don't know an appropriate redirect target. Ost (talk) 06:17, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Pre-drop

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The result of the discussion was retarget FMAN to fman; delete all others. -- Aervanath (talk) 21:09, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All refer to non-notable Animal Jam Classic fanworks and rumors that aren't mentioned on the target page at all. ❤︎PrincessPandaWiki (talk | contribs) 20:12, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Wall St. Whiz Kid

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Aervanath (talk) 21:04, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've been asked to expand on the rationale here[7]. Consensus is that this is an ambiguous search term at best, and most participants didn't find it plausible at all.-- Aervanath (talk) 19:18, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extremely unlikely anyone will search Wikipedia for "Wall St. Whiz Kid" with the intention of finding David Bloom. ZimZalaBim talk 03:33, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete A quick Google search suggests that a more likely target would be this book. [8] Frankly though, I find it implausible that anyone would use such a vague search term at all. Certainly not for someone referred to that way back in the 1980s. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:06, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Don't understand it, so what is the use of it. scope_creepTalk 01:26, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • More than a 100 search results in Google for "wall street whiz kid" "david bloom", many of them news articles. Keep unless this is confusing or meant to refer to other people. Jay (talk) 06:36, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Andy's fist sentence. Jay's evidence shows that this would be a reasonable search term if unambiguous, but it's ambiguous. That said, "Don't understand it" is not and has never been a valid reason to delete a redirect. What matters is if any of our readers understand it, not an invidual RfD commenter. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 02:58, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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2022 European Athletics Championships

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Aervanath (talk) 21:03, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete because I find it confusing for reader and editors in Wikipedia when the 2022 already has a blue link but only redirects to the event's general page and not the actual event. Nordat (talk) 11:47, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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JGIYN

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 06:22, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Obscure internet slang that means Just Google It You Noob (according to non-RS) which has very low pages views and does not seem to properly justif a cross-project redirect. delete TartarTorte 03:00, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I redirected it back fourteen years ago, since it was listed on the (at that time, English Wikipedia) list of internet slang. I have no objection to deleting it now, although I'm not sure it's worth the effort to do so. :-) JesseW, the juggling janitor 03:27, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Aston Martin DB12

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 06:17, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unsurprisingly, these speculated/predicted models are not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. The DB12 redirect was created not long after this article [9] so presumably was influenced by it (or a similar one), but in any case I can find nothing but vague speculation. For the DB13 there is even less to be found apart form this [10] mentioning that trademarks have been taken out on various DBxx names. I suggest delete both. A7V2 (talk) 00:59, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Currently broadcasted programs by Duronto TV

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Jaguar J-Pace

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Jaguar Land Rover car platforms#MLA. Jay (talk) 06:13, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Speculated/announced new model which was cancelled (see [11], [12]). No mention at target or anywhere I could find, nor is any justified. Delete. A7V2 (talk) 00:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • This seems like a good target. I hadn't considered this as a good place for a mention, it seems appropriate. Retarget per the IP. I'm not sure if this qualifies for a "withdraw" since it's not quite a keep, I'll leave it to someone else if they want to close early. A7V2 (talk) 22:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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