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Category:Outer space in fiction

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 18#Category:Outer space in fiction

Category:Star Trek vehicles

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Star Trek technology. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:13, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: One-category layer; the sole member is already in other subcategories of the parents. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 11:13, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Britain's German allies during the American Revolution

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 18#Category:Britain's German allies during the American Revolution

Category:Four traditions of geography

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 18#Category:Four traditions of geography

Category:Youth culture in Poland

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 17:46, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To follow the naming convention of the other categories in "Category:Youth culture by country". Mellamelina (talk) 23:39, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fictional murdered children

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 18#Category:Fictional murdered children

Category:Fictional children by occupation

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 18#Category:Fictional children by occupation

Category:Fictional cryonically preserved characters

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) HouseBlastertalk 14:41, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:NONDEF. While this can be a defining trait for stories themselves, a character is not defined by whether or not they had been cryonically preserved at one point. (Besides, the title implies that they are currently preserved in which case they wouldn't be much of a character). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 09:58, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, getting frozen is very much a defining trait for lots of fictional characters. AHI-3000 (talk) 18:24, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Oppose; this makes a hash of things. There are characters who are notably cryonically preserved but not for a long enough period to be considered "displaced in time" (e.g. Han Solo; Riddick (character)), and there are plenty of characters displaced in time without being cryonically preserved, so let's keep these distinct things distinct. BD2412 T 14:55, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fictional characters with abnormal ageing

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:26, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Clearly violates WP:SUBJECTIVECAT, as "abnormal" is subjective. Also, it mixes various positive and negative traits. I would say a selective merge to the parent category is appropriate. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 09:51, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It doesn't seem that subjective. Each subcategory has a common thing tying them together, which is characters whose aging process is unusual or has been unnaturally affected in one way or another. AHI-3000 (talk) 17:35, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I still oppose merging or deleting this category in any way. Alternate proposal - rename this category into something along the lines of "Category:Fictional characters with supernatural ageing" or a similar name. Does that counter the claim that "abnormal" is too subjective of a term? AHI-3000 (talk) 21:37, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Executive ministers

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 18#Category:Executive ministers

Category:Mandatory Palestine war and conflict navigational boxes

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Mandatory Palestine templates. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:29, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Pointless level of category, seeing as it has only 1 sub-category and 1 parent, which also has only this as its content. Gonnym (talk) 20:07, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fictional characters by occupational types

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The result of the discussion was: merge all to Category:Fictional characters by occupation. bibliomaniac15 06:44, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This and all of its immediate subcategories should be deleted - the entire thing is rubbish created by a blocked, disruptive user and results in a vast array of redundant categories that are already handled by Category:Fictional characters by occupation. There is no need to further sort into "occupational types", many of which are arbitrary groupings. There are too many subcategories to individually nominate, but this would not involve deleting the occupation ones, only their containers that they were sorted into. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 07:08, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments about new category:

LaundryPizza03 (d) 17:51, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Upon reconsideration, all of the subcategories should be merged into Category:Fictional characters by occupation, except as noted or where they are already in a subcategory. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 18:37, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Foul-smelling chemicals

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 18#Category:Foul-smelling chemicals

Category:Fictional blade and dart throwers

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The result of the discussion was: manual upmerge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:36, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Created by blocked account. WP:NONDEF applies, whether you can "throw" a blade is not defining to a character. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 15:10, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fictional mermen and mermaids

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Fictional merfolk and split into Category:Fiction about merfolk. bibliomaniac15 05:43, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Realistically, most articles in this category aren't even individual characters, but works of media. Category:Fiction about mermaids should actually become a subcategory of this one, and any relevant articles should be moved to that subcategory. For the few articles that are fictional merfolk, they can be upmerged to Category:Merfolk or Category:Mermaids in popular culture and Category:Fictional human–animal hybrids. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 07:25, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Alternate rename to Category:Fictional merfolk, which would serve as a more direct parallel to Category:Merfolk. AHI-3000 (talk) 21:08, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I'm not convinced that it's a better title. It reads as more encyclopedic, but it seems much less likely to be searched for than "mermaids", and probably somewhat less than "mermen". I don't think the difference in technical correctness/gender neutrality is enough to justify the move from a much more recognizable title. The fact that it's a category, rather than an article, makes this less of a concern, but also makes renaming it to get the "perfect" title seem less important. P Aculeius (talk) 15:23, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Realistically I could have speedy moved this because the parent category is Category:Merfolk. There is also a Merfolk main article. Unless that one is moved, this one shouldn't be different. The only reason I listed it here is because the scope is markedly different than its title. You are free to start a pagemove discussion at merfolk to move it to "Mermen and mermaids" if you think it's off, but this is strictly a procedural thing at the moment. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 15:34, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think that "speedy" applies when there's opposition or at least debate about the proposed move! It's designed to be used when the move isn't controversial at all. However, I note that this is also a subcategory of "fictional animal–human hybrids", as is the case with the categories proposed for upmerging below: harpies, centaurs, fauns, and volleyball players. A significant number of the entries are individuals, so splitting the category as Marcocapelle suggested may be necessary.
    As for the name, consistency between main articles and category titles is not essential, and it's illogical to assert that this category should be moved to a potentially worse title to match the main article, merely because the main article isn't the subject of a proposed move to a title matching this one. Both moves would need consensus to succeed, not just one of them, and if the current title is better than the proposed title, then it's okay to keep it, even if that means that the main article's title is inconsistent with the category's title. For what it's worth, I think that "fictional mermaids and mermen" would be preferable to the current title, but that's another kettle of fish. P Aculeius (talk) 16:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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60 Minutes categories

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The result of the discussion was: listify/keep.
Nominator's rationale: nominate as similar discussions have been created by Woodensuperman for similar categories Category:60 Minutes (Australian TV program) correspondents and Category:60 Minutes producers, with rationale of being WP:PERFCATs. Happily888 (talk) 06:28, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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2000s establishments in Yugoslavia

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The result of the discussion was: procedural close. The categories are now category redirects, making this discussion moot. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:54, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, Yugoslavia ceased to exist in 1992 and the so-called Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was officially renamed in 2003. The (dis)establishments decade categories may be merged to the sister categories with the latest name in that decade. Alternatively we may delete all decade categories and just keep the year categories, because of the short duration of this state. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:23, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Songs about black people

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Category:Essays about Wikipedian fallacies

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 17:44, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Opposed at speedy. parent category is Category:Wikipedia essays siblings are all in the style of Wikipedia essays about FOO Mason (talk) 20:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy discussion
@SMcCandlish and Gonnym: pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Mason (talk) 20:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:20th-century American jurists

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Category:Jews and Judaism in Portland, Maine

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Category:1st millennium BC in the Adena culture

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 17:42, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category:Adena culture is already categorised in 1st millennium BC, both directly and via Early Woodland period. This hierarchy is not helpful for navigation, as it places only one individual mound in an intersection category by century and culture. – Fayenatic London 13:19, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Centuries in Wallachia

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 17:40, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer, only contains C19. – Fayenatic London 13:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:20th-century Yugoslav television series

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 17:39, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layers; Category:Yugoslav television series is now in Category:20th-century television series by country, and the Yugoslav century hierarchy is otherwise empty after Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 14#20th century in Yugoslavia and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 29#Category:21st century in Yugoslavia. – Fayenatic London 12:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Baptists in Bolivia

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 17:38, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge for now, only one article. – Fayenatic London 12:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Partial oppose. It should not be merged but Category:Baptists in Bolivia should be renamed to Category:Bolivian baptists for consistancy with categories in Category:Baptists by nationality. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Millennia in Kosovo

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 17:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This hierarchy is not useful as it only contains Ottoman period, C20 & C21, and a single earlier event. No merge is needed now that I have populated Category:Military history of Kosovo. – Fayenatic London 12:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Baptists from the United States

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 17:35, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: for consistancy with other category names in Category:Baptists by nationality. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Baptists from the United States

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 17:35, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: for consistancy with other category names in Category:Baptists by nationality and Category:American Protestants by state respectively. Same situation with Baptist ministers by century, making it consistant with articles in Category:Baptist ministers by century. NOTE: I removed "territory" from the second one since it only contains states. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Deobandi journals

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 17:34, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These are magazines, not peer-reviewed academic journals. Randykitty (talk) 09:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Emerging technologies

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 17:34, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The main issue with this category is WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. When does an emerging technology become established? It's not clear and there is a lack of verifiability (i.e. sources describing them as "emerging") for many of these entries. Some I would not describe as "emerging" (i.e. Artificial womb) because they are a long way from being realized. Others such as GMOs are in the category even though they've been in use since 1994. I would also argue it's not defining because all technologies will be, are, or were emerging at one point. (t · c) buidhe 06:17, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wards of Zanzibar

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 17:34, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. the only page in the category is actually a Ward of Tanzania. Mason (talk) 04:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Nigerian-American people by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:American people of Nigerian descent by occupation. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 17:33, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now as this category is not helpful for navigation with only two categories in it Mason (talk) 01:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Assad family

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)LaundryPizza03 (d) 17:34, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: More accurate and as per the Wikipedia article of Al-Assad family.

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