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Texas Government Sites are Free Use

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You stated my content was "paraphrasing" for a Award Criteria. Award criteria's on Wikipedia always remain verbatim as they are specific criteria's. Furthermore you stated it was copyrighted. The source was The State of Texas and The Governors Office of Texas. Both of those cannot copyright the material such as Award Info and Criteria as it's free-use. Please learn the law and understand it before making changes. TheNathanMuir (talk) 13:51, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheNathanMuir: first, if you are copying verbatim, it needs to be in quotation marks or else it is plagiarism. Next, on Wikipedia, we require that text borrowed from other sources be more than "free-use". We require that it be eligible for commercial redistribution. The Texas website says it prohibits commercial redistribution, so we cannot use it on Wikipedia. The Texas website is copyrighted: the opposite of copyrighted is in the public domain, not "free use". Best, HouseBlaster (he/they) 14:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was not verbatim. It was re-written hence you putting it was "paraphrased". The award which is public law is not copyrightable. Hence why every other government award on Wikipedia is written verbatim. TheNathanMuir (talk) 14:13, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TheNathanMuir: You need to supply proof that it is not eligible copyright. HouseBlaster (he/they) 15:17, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Works by the federal government are legally public domain, but per https://copyright.lib.harvard.edu/states/texas/ it's not clear whether works of Texas state government are. This is the case for, e.g. works of the State of California -- but not for every state. @TheNathanMuir: The burden is on you to supply evidence that positively states that the State of Texas releases its works into the public domain (or is statutorily required to do so). This means that, for example, https://gov.texas.gov/site-policies does not count -- it simply lacks any statement on copyright for textual content -- this is not enough. jp×g🗯️ 16:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're the one ACCUSING me of Copyright Infringement, thus the burden of proof is on YOU. Where is the burden of proof ever on the person defending themself?
If the laws and case laws show it's Federally accepted that you can't copyright Governmental stuff like Awards, then it's the same for States unless otherwise specifically noted, which for Texas it is not.
This award was created by Texas Law. You cannot copyright a law. You cannot copyright any part of the law. The text was taken directly from the law.
Use some common sense. TheNathanMuir (talk) 15:58, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
TheNathanMuir Where is the burden of proof ever on the person defending themself? on Wikipedia, for one. See WP:BURDEN. But that is not necessary, because even if the burden was on me I have provided evidence that the text from the website is not eligible for commercial distribution. Eligibility for commercial distribution is a requirement for inclusion on Wikipedia. Therefore, the burden of proof is on you to disprove the assertion that it is not eligible for inclusion on Wikipedia. You are getting very close to an "I didn't hear that" block. HouseBlaster (he/they) 16:07, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's a lot of words for saying nothing. I don't think you understand how the laws in the U.S work. If there is no specific law banning or allowing something at a local, county or state level, it falls on established Federal guidelines.
Federal Guidelines in this case state that Government Work (Such as Awards, Laws, Etc) are Public Domain and thus cannot be copyrighted. The State follows the Federal law in this case because there is no State laws stating otherwise. It's not a abstract or complex issue here. You're saying that it's copyrighted (which it's not). There are plenty of other awards on here from Texas that have had no issues (cite: Awards and decorations of the Texas government#Public Safety Office). Furthermore there are no issues on Military awards either (cite: Awards and decorations of the United States Armed Forces). Wikimedia Commons also establishes that works produced by the government are Public domain, hence the massive amount of images of Government Works.
  • The Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution (Article VI, Clause 2) establishes that federal law takes precedence over state and local laws. This principle is supported by:
    • McCulloch v. Maryland (1819): Affirmed that federal laws have supremacy over conflicting state laws.
    • Gibbons v. Ogden (1824): Reinforced federal authority over interstate commerce, highlighting federal preeminence.
    • Supremacy Clause: Directly states that federal law is the "supreme Law of the Land." These provisions ensure that in the absence of local laws, federal laws apply.
The text I wrote for the award was from and per the Law (Texas Government Code, Title 4, Subtitle B, Chapter 3106)
You legally cannot copyright a law, or most Government Works.
  • It's public information and public records. Since this Award was created by law it would fall under Wheaton V. Peters (1834) [The U.S. Supreme Court case Wheaton v. Peters (1834) established that no one can claim a copyright in laws or judicial opinions.]
  • Under Title 17, Section 105 of the United States Code, it is stated that "Copyright protection under this title is not available for any work of the United States Government." This is often interpreted to mean that federal, state, and local laws, regulations, and other official documents are not eligible for copyright protection.
  • Texas state law reflects this general principle. Texas Government Code Section 552.002 defines public information, which includes information that is written, produced, collected, assembled, or maintained under a law or ordinance or in connection with the transaction of official business by a governmental body. This ensures that such information, including laws, is public and accessible.
  • Banks v. Manchester (1888): Reinforced that judicial opinions, which are government-created, are public domain. This principle extends to other government works.
Now again, I have proven my side consistently, please explain your side without tagging a useless page that has no merit on this discussion. TheNathanMuir (talk) 16:21, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also you tagged the page Wikipedia:Verifiability#Responsibility for providing citations, I provided Citations for everything I used so again I am not understanding the issue. I did the citations exactly how other awards and decorations are done on Wikipedia. I also did everything as I was supposed to. It appears you haven't a clue and made a mistake but lack humility to admit it. TheNathanMuir (talk) 16:27, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
TheNathanMuir: I referenced WP:BURDEN because you asked where in the world the burden is on the defendant. I provided such an example. I agree you have met that burden in this case. I was just providing an example in which the burden is on the "accused".
In general, text of statues is not copyrighted. However, the website is not a statue. You can include things like the official qualifications which are defined in a statue. (However, they need to be enclosed in quotes or otherwise indicated that it is copying from a public domain source. This is not a legal requirement; it is "only" a Wikipedia rule. See Wikipedia:Plagiarism#Public-domain sources.) But things that are not statutory text, such as the blurb from the website explaining what the award is, are subject to copyright. Read the statue: it is very clear that it applied to works of the US government, not the governments of individual states (including Texas). And again: that website says it does not authorize commercial use. Either that website is lying or it cannot be used on Wikipedia. HouseBlaster (he/they) 16:45, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The text from the site, was from the law. Almost verbatim. So again, how is that plagiarism. Again, the above laws/case laws/citations show that the State cannot copyright things belonging to public domain. So it's doubled down that it's not plagiarism or copyrighted. If it was plagiarized, there would need to be a victim. The State of Texas (SOT) cannot be the victim, because they cannot copyright. The person who wrote it (A government official/employee) cannot be the victim when creating work in official capacity unless explicitly stated (rare occurrence, and it would have to be provided that it was copyrighted), because they are the Government (belonging to), and therefor cannot copyright the writing of the site, belonging to the state, in official capacity for the state. Third, it came directly from the law which; cannot be copyrighted, so again what was plagiarized and who did I plagiarize? As stated this isn't abstract. This isn't complex.
If the content was Third Party content (such as Images taken by Contractors, News Organizations, Etc), or Trademarked (such as "U.S. Army Branch Insignia") this would be different. And again as Texas law states, the website about the Award and Law would be considered Public Information, which means it's not copyrighted.
The website policies state explicitly the only things copyrighted are the Videos and Photographs:
"All photographs and videos are copyrighted and may not be used without permission. Commercial use of any reproduction of any portion of this website is strictly prohibited. The OOG respects the rights of intellectual property owners and will not intentionally infringe on those rights. If an intellectual property owner believes his or her rights have been infringed by the posting or sharing of intellectual property on an OOG website or social media page, please visit the" (Cite: https://gov.texas.gov/site-policies)
The purpose of this is because they often get their content from Third-Parties (see above how that's allowed to be Copyrighted).
The policy above is cited for this page (https://gov.texas.gov/organization/cjd/star-of-texas). Thus, there were no photographs, videos or images taken from this page only Text. The Text was taken from the law. Nullifying any copyright.
Nowhere on https://gov.texas.gov/apps/cjd/staroftexas does it state anything is Copyrighted.
Nowhere onhttps://gov.texas.gov/apps/cjd/staroftexas/default.aspx#:~:text=The%20Star%20of%20Texas%20Awards%20honor%20all%20Texas%20peace%20officers,or%20after%20September%201%2C%202003. does it state anything is Copyrighted.
Nowhere on https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/organization/criminal-justice/All_Recipients--SOTA_Database_9.14.23.pdf states it's copyrighted.
Nowhere in the law https://casetext.com/statute/texas-codes/government-code/title-11-state-symbols-and-honors-preservation/subtitle-a-state-symbols-and-honors/chapter-3106-star-of-texas-awards/section-3106002-peace-officers-star-of-texas-award is anything copyrighted.
The only page I found from the State of Texas that had a copyright was www.texas.gov not the Governors/Office of the Governors page/domains ("OOG") www.gov.texas.gov. You can't use the Copyright for one domain and use it on a different page and Subdomain, especially when they belong to different organizations.
However, looking at www.texas.gov Copyright or "Legal Policy" it says:
"Texas.gov is provided for public use on computer systems located within the State of Texas and for the use and benefit of citizens of Texas. Any person choosing to use this system or seeking access to information or materials on this system is subject to Texas jurisdiction. Any dispute arising therefrom shall be decided under the laws and in the courts in Texas."
Which per the laws cited above make it all PUBLIC INFORMATION, and thus Public Domain, meaning anything produced for the state, by the state, cannot be copyrighted and is available to the public unless explicitly stated otherwise. TheNathanMuir (talk) 19:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TheNathanMuir: Let's try taking this one step at a time. I never accused you of plagiarism. I just said that if the website was able to be used on Wikipedia, we would need to put it in quotes or else indicate that it was copied from the Texas website. Wikipedia's definition of plagiarism is taking credit for someone else's writing as your own, including their language and ideas, without providing adequate credit. It does not matter whether the writing is copyrighted or in the public domain. It does not require there to be a victim. Can we agree on that? (And yes, I will respond to the rest of your message later. I want to make sure we can first establish some common ground.) HouseBlaster (he/they) 20:54, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No other pages in regards to awards or laws on Wikipedia are put in quotes. Bronze Star Medal look here, even with this verbiage is found on many pages, nobody is flagging it as "plagiarism" because it's public works of the Government. (Copied directly from https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2023-title10/pdf/USCODE-2023-title10-subtitleA-partII-chap57-sec1128.pdf | https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/1126 | https://veteranmedals.army.mil/home/us-army-medals-award-badges-ribbon-and-attachments-information/us-army-service-campaign-medals-and-foreign-awards-information)
The Purple Heart text is copied verbatim from Government and public sites as well (https://history.army.mil/html/reference/purhrt.html#:~:text=On%20January%207%2C%201931%2C%20Summerall's,bicentennial%20of%20George%20Washington's%20birth. | https://www.hopeforthewarriors.org/the-purple-heart/ | https://www.va.gov/opa/publications/celebrate/purple-heart.pdf)
If you want to ding me for copying award criteria's verbatim than we can go through and flag 100's of pages on Wikipedia that were taken directly from Government sites.
I've already proven that the work does not belong to anyone as it's created by the Government and free-use, the Texas law and State of Texas acknowledge that, along with Federal Law and Court cases (all provided above). If you had read the data provided it would articulate that. Citations were provided for the Text. It was done the same as every other award page.
Unless you have something that counters everything I've provided besides your opinion don't even respond. If you want to continue this game I expect all the other award pages to get the same treatment. TheNathanMuir (talk) 14:59, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TheNathanMuir: So your argument is that because other articles are problematic, you get to continue being problematic? Not how this works. Sorry. And you have not answered my one, simple question: do you agree that plagiarism does not require a victim? It is a simple yes or no question. Please answer it. HouseBlaster (he/they) 15:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Listen, pal: I don't like state governments asserting copyright over their works either, and if I had my druthers, I would tell them to pound sand. But I do not get to have my druthers, and neither do you: we get to follow the rules of this website, which are extremely clear that images are presumed to be copyrighted unless explicitly confirmed otherwise. The rules of this website are a pain in the keister. This is known to be true.
If the state of Texas has broken the law in claiming copyright over their website's contents, this needs to be taken up with them -- in an actual court of law, not a Wikipedia talk page. jp×g🗯️ 18:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Some articles about AccesRail showing notability?

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Hi HouseBlaster. I thought it would be the end of it when I told them that you rejected the articles I gave for references. They gave me more articles to read hoping it would fit the criteria you gave for an article that would be considered Notable. These 3 articles are basically saying the same thing, but they are from 3 different secondary sources. Each has 2 paragraphs which provide information about AccesRail. Links are below, please let me know if they are acceptable. Thank you. LFTSOS (talk) 08:32, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Opps, the articles
1) https://www.deccanherald.com/business/companies/air-india-partners-with-accesrail-to-enhance-connectivity-across-europe-2656840
2) https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri/visit/flying-air-india-you-can-now-book-your-travel-to-european-towns-even-those-without-airports/articleshow/102991062.cms?from=mdr
3) https://traveltradejournal.com/air-india-partners-with-accesrail-to-provide-seamless-intermodal-travel-to-100-cities-in-europe/ LFTSOS (talk) 08:34, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LFTSOS: Source 1 does not contain significant coverage that is independent of the subject. It has a single sentence which talks about AccesRail, other than quotes from the VP and someone affiliated with Air India (recall that quotes from companies doing business with AccesRail are not third parties, and therefore are not considered independent). Source 2 does not contain significant coverage. There are only three sentences which talk about AccessRail as a company (except for the part which is quoting the VP, which would not be considered independent). And those sentence are not particularly full of detail: one of them just mentions AccesRail is an IATA travel partner. Source 3 has the same problems as the first two sources: two sentences about AccesRail is not significant coverage, and the quotes are not independent.

At this point, I am not going to continue helping you determine whether sources pass muster. You can do it yourself at this point, keeping in mind what I have told you about the sources you have already presented. I am a volunteer, and I am not here to help representatives of big corporations advertise the their existence. You can show your boss Wikipedia:When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia and/or Wikipedia:Public relations and marketing, if it helps. They both explain that this is far from our first rodeo dealing with PR people, and contain our advise for editors regarding paid editing. Best, HouseBlaster (he/they) 14:42, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Issue at Template:Category redirect

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Hello! You changed some things on Template:Category redirect yesterday. Would you take a second look at that and see if you spot where a div wasn't closed? Around 300 Category pages are claiming Missing/Stripped div errors. Thank you! Zinnober9 (talk) 21:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking... HouseBlaster (he/they) 22:10, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Zinnober9: Should be sorted now. Thank you for pointing this out :D HouseBlaster (he/they) 22:22, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, all sorted now. Thank you! Zinnober9 (talk) 23:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 14#Years in Saxony

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Hello, HouseBlaster,

I see you closed this CFD yesterday. Today User:JJMC89 bot III created the new categories and deleted the old categories but didn't recategorized the articles and categories they contained. If you look at Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion, you can see that I've tagged some as empty categories but I don't think they should be empty, they just haven't been filled yet.

In the past, I've contacted JJMC89 about his bot when I had questions but he doesn't really get involved in its work. So, instead I thought I'd check in with you since you closed the discussion and I assumed set up the work for the bot to do. Does it sometimes do half of a job one day and finish it off another day? I used to work a lot with categories but I don't know the inner workings of closing CFDs. Thanks for any clue you can provide. Liz Read! Talk! 06:27, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These require manual cleanup. Examples: Special:Diff/1242516127, Special:Diff/1242516238 — JJMC89 (T·C) 06:40, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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