Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tulip Drive

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep, as improved. BD2412 T 05:30, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tulip Drive

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Doesn't appear to meet WP:NALBUM. Has been redirected to Jimmie Allen#Tulip Drive, but that was challenged. ––FormalDude (talk) 05:07, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music and United States of America. ––FormalDude (talk) 05:07, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge - Keep this album article, which has a charting single, or else merge it to the singer. --Jax 0677 (talk) 13:56, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You're the article creator, and that's the best defense you can conjure up...? Sergecross73 msg me 19:31, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Reply - Yes. -- Jax 0677 (talk) 01:10, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Allow me to add that "keep" and "merge" are two vastly different solutions that contradict each other. Recommending both is illogical. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 03:40, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - It means keep the page if it can be kept, but merge it if it can't. However, the page has been expanded significantly since the AFD was started. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:49, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Giving 2 very different options and giving zero valid reasons for either is just wasting your own time. It's WP:NOTAVOTE. Stances without valid rationales are just ignored by closers. If you feel this has ever worked for you, it's been strictly on the merits of other editors arguments. Sergecross73 msg me 20:18, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - When saying "Keep or merge", the point is, that the page history should not be deleted. Thanks! --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:44, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You also need a reason for saying "page history should not be deleted". Why? ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 01:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The page history contains useful information about the album, which is bettert to keep than delete per WP:REDIRECT. -- Jax 0677 (talk) 12:34, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:46, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as a viable search term. Current sourcing doesn't meet the GNG, and it's really not even an article as much as a sloppy transcription of an album jacket or something. Kinda looks like someone mistook us for Discogs or something. Sergecross73 msg me 19:30, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Jimmie Allen#Tulip Drive. Fails WP:NALBUM per nom. SBKSPP (talk) 05:59, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Now convinced with the sources presented below. SBKSPP (talk) 07:02, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - It has a robust AllMusic review ~~and a Billboard chart placement, both of which are~~ already cited. In addition to the various other sources already used, the album has widespread notice and a few more reviews in the country music press, such as: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. Also lots of coverage for its guest appearance from Jennifer Lopez: [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 03:47, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Doomsdayer520: The album didn't chart. The Billboard chart position is for one of its singles. Ss112 04:57, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

An error in my syntax. Regardless, the sources describe the album as a whole beyond the one single. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:31, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Jimmie Allen#Tulip Drive. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 03:24, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note to closing administrator - This page was expanded significantly after several comments were made. --Jax 0677 (talk) 11:19, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: out of the sources Doomsdayer found, Country Daily and Country Now both appear to be just repeating ad copy so I wouldn't keep those, and I've never trusted Rock n Load for suspecting the same from them. However, the Wide Open Country and Country Swag reviews are solid and those combined with what's already in the article should be enough to pass. This interview with Billboard may also be useful regarding notability, or at the very least worth adding to the article anyway. QuietHere (talk) 16:08, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As that source is almost entirely quotes from the musician, it is not independent and therefore does not count towards notability. ––FormalDude (talk) 05:31, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting in light of the sources indicated in this discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ASTIG️🙃 _{(ICE-T • ICE CUBE)} 05:20, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Now meets WP:NALBUM with sources presented by Doomsdayer. They're reliable and in-depth enough IMV. SBKSPP (talk) 07:02, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:NALBUM and WP:SIGCOV per the sources provided above.4meter4 (talk) 03:05, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.