Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maryanne Oketch

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎ and none appears likely to emerge with two silent relists. Star Mississippi 02:32, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maryanne Oketch

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Sure, being historically the second black woman to win Survivor, the Survivor 42 winner, and one of Canadian winners of Survivor is something to rave about. However, even potentially meeting WP:GNG and/or WP:NBASIC may not override the article's noncompliance with WP:BLP1E (or WP:BIO1E) and, if applicable, WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NOTEVERYTHING. I've yet to see her being notable for anything else outside Survivor, especially by reliable sources. Must be redirected to Survivor 42. George Ho (talk) 22:21, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Television, Germany, and Canada. George Ho (talk) 22:21, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. TJMSmith (talk) 05:22, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I've added a few more sources, there are quite a few others, that touch on her personal life. I think she passes GNG, and I think it's a stretch to say that the intention of the BLP1E policy is to keep those people who are of great interest to the public off Wikipedia. But that's just my reading of it. Quick, Spot the Quetzalcoatl! (talk) 18:55, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll clarify what I said before: the main issue is not her compliance with GNG but rather the article's suitability (and appropriateness) in this project. Curiously, but why else do you think Maryanne is one of people who are of great interest to the public... besides winning Survivor 42? From what I can see, the reliable source that you added doesn't verify her notability as a church employee or volunteer, despite being a fact. Rather the source emphasizes more on her winning Survivor 42. George Ho (talk) 01:25, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I can see the BLP1E argument, given the ongoing coverage of her win in the Canadian media, even recently. In particular there's a December 2022 Toronto Star piece on the Top 10 winners and losers of 2022, where she's listed along with household names like Tamara Lich and Kieran Moore - ProQuest 2754408882, along with an interview a couple of months ago on Entertainment Tonight where she discusses the possibility of appearing in Big Brother. As such the requirement in WP:BLP1E that "person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual" is not met; see in particular the first bullet of WP:What BLP1E is not#"One dominant event". Nfitz (talk) 23:19, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Toronto Star's top-ten winners and losers list contextually (if not merely) covers Maryanne as a Survivor winner and nothing else. Also, the ET Canada interview is more of a primary source than secondary one and may not count as verification of her (supposed) notability. Besides winning Survivor 42, how else is she more of a high-profile individual instead of a low-profile one? George Ho (talk) 09:43, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sources to show that the person doesn't meet BLP1E with ongoing coverage do not need to be GNG sources. The article should have GNG sources about the subject - and it does. Nfitz (talk) 20:19, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 01:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ Redirect to Survivor 42. Although it is well-sourced, but it definitely falls fowl of WP:BLP1E. Tommy Sheehan, another Survivor winner, was closed as delete, and the argument for BLP1E was way more marginal because he had appeared in another show for three episodes. If that was closed as delete, this should definitely also be. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 08:19, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

REDIRECT to Survivor 42. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:36, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:49, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Clearer consensus needed
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 🌶️Jala peño🌶️ Don't click this link! 08:49, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nom's additional comment - I am, honestly, not confident about arguments based on GNG and (implicitly) WP:sustained weighing over those favoring redirect, yet I bet those "keep" voters would stand by their votes. @Bgsu98: I wonder whether you can add your rationale for your vote. Thanks. George Ho (talk) 18:36, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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