Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MNSSH

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The result was delete. Sandstein 06:48, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

MNSSH

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Non-notable musician, can find no coverage in RS and after removal of iTunes "sources", I can find no evidence this person has charted in anything that would qualify under WP:NMUSIC CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 11:00, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:51, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:51, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:51, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep According to WP:NMUSIC, "Musicians ... may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria ... 2) Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart." According to WP:CHART, "A chart is normally considered suitable for inclusion if it meets both of the following characteristics: 1) It is published by a recognized reliable source. ... 2) It covers sales or broadcast outlets from multiple sources." The subject and the chart listed (itself the source of a WP article: Deutsche Black Charts) seems to qualify. Greenman (talk) 12:35, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Greenman Except the source provided doesn't even make mention of any of them, in fact the only "charted" source is a Facebook screenshot which is neither verifiable or reliable. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 13:22, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The source which Greenman referres to is also shown again on a german print and online publication, which is also included in the wikipedia page references. Source:http://www.rap2soul.de/2015/deutsche-black-charts-kw-3715-25678 FrankKoch (talk) 17:39, 27 October 2017 (UTC) — FrankKoch (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

FrankKoch And yet the actual chart does not list them at any point in time, ever. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 17:57, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Here are two versions with them listed: http://www.trendcharts.de/duc-charts-51-2/ and http://www.trendcharts.de/duc-charts-20/ Greenman (talk) 22:38, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:40, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete does not meet notability criteria for musicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:41, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

How so? As pointed out in WP:NMUSIC and WP:CHART, they seem to do so. Greenman (talk) 07:14, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Charting *may* be an indication they meet the criteria but a total lack of coverage in RS means there can't be an article. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 13:43, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the Wikipedia:Notability states "Reliable means sources need editorial integrity to allow verifiable evaluation of notability.." and "Availability of secondary sources covering the subject is a good test for notability." According to this definition the musician is notable as he is present in multiple sources talking about him including high profile sources such as his feature on TV, but also lower level sources like the digital interviews.GloverG16 (talk) 00:22, 10 November 2017 (UTC) — GloverG16 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Struck as a sock. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 18:58, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep reviewing all the references in here so far I have to admit the article appears to be legitimate. But my experience is still low on wikipedia so I can only say what I see here so far.Seektruth87 (talk) 00:44, 10 November 2017 (UTC) — Seektruth87 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Struck as a sock. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 18:58, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I have opened Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Seektruth87 -- RoySmith (talk) 04:37, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:17, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Whilst it is possible the subject of the article may meet WP:NMUSIC, I cannot find sufficient reliable sources to verify this. Unless someone is able to produce any coverage, I don't believe it has surpassed the threshold of notability. --Jack Frost (talk) 10:41, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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