Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luc Beausoleil

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The result was no consensus. Michig (talk) 08:01, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Luc Beausoleil

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This hockey player has never played in a top league and doesn't meet any other criteria for WP:NHOCKEY. His minor league awards fall short of "preeminent honors (all-time top ten career scorer, First Team All-Star, All-American)". T.C.Haliburton^{talk nerdy to me} 04:57, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Michig (talk) 07:23, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Played more than 300 games in the Central Hockey League. Was also named to the QJMHL's second team and won the league's Frank J. Selke Memorial Trophy, which I believe qualifies as "preeminent honors" in a major junior league. -- Calidum 17:46, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Central Hockey League is a lower level league per WP:NHOCKEY/LA. Merely playing a lot of games in this league does not denote notability. Second team in the Q league also does not denote notability. As for the Selke award, it's not a skill-based award so I don't think it qualifies (but if there's precedent for this, someone let me know). T.C.Haliburton^{talk nerdy to me} 19:40, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Doesn't meet WP:NHOCKEY and lacks significant independent coverage for WP:GNG. Jakejr (talk) 03:15, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep In addition to agreeing with Calidum that winning the Selke is a preeminent honor, I think being the 1997-98 CHL scoring champion (and in turn winning the Joe Burton Award) is a preeminent honor in a lower minor league and therefore meets WP:NHOCKEY. Regarding T.C.Haliburton's concern, the Joe Burton Award is skill-based. RonSigPi (talk) 17:02, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also, according to hockeydb.com he is 8th all-time in goals scored. That meets the requirement of all-time top ten career scorer in a lower minor league. RonSigPi (talk) 14:54, 1 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pre-eminent honour is meant to be those exact three things after much wikilawyering done in the past. Single season awards and scoring races were not intended, the reason for the career mention is to specifically point out being good a single year wasn't enough (with the exception of first team all-star, that being said the top point getter probably was on the first all-star team). Top 8 in goals scored would probably meet it as its currently worded, scorer in hockey usually means total points not just goals but I can see this as being just as reasonable. -DJSasso (talk) 19:45, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 01:20, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Meets WP:NHOCKEY criteria 1 - played 7 games in the Alpenliga per [1]. Alpenliga is categorized on WP under "Top-level Ice Hockey Leagues". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.95.216.224 (talk) 22:19, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

From my reading of WP:NHOCKEY/LA Alpenliga is a lower-level league. I still say keep, but I dont think the Alpenliga adds anything.RonSigPi (talk) 22:55, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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