Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Miami Rappers
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was No consensus. Stifle (talk) 11:22, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- List of Miami Rappers (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)
non-notable as a list, work as a category. Frog47 (talk) 13:09, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. -- BelovedFreak 13:46, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- BelovedFreak 13:47, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep per WP:CLN. Nominator may want to review guidelines regarding redundancy of lists and categories: "These methods should not be considered to be in conflict with each other. Rather, they are synergistic, each one complementing the others. For example, since editors differ in style, some favor building lists while others favor building categories, allowing links to be gathered in two different ways, with lists often leapfrogging categories, and vice versa. This approach has resulted in two main link-based systems of navigating Wikipedia. See the navigation menu at the top of Wikipedia:Contents, and see Category:Categories. Many users prefer to browse Wikipedia through its lists, while others prefer to navigate by category; and lists are more obvious to beginners, who may not discover the category system right away. Therefore, the "category camp" should not delete or dismantle Wikipedia's lists, and the "list camp" shouldn't tear down Wikipedia's category system - doing so wastes valuable resources. Instead, each should be used to update the other." There are lots of things lists can do that categories can't in terms of presenting information; if the current version of the article doesn't present anything the category doesn't, that can be changed by the regular editing process and thus isn't a good rationale for deletion; ultimately, there's no reason to delete. Celarnor Talk to me 21:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment If the nominator doesn't believe that rappers being from Miami isn't notable in a list, why is it notable as a category? Have navigation guidelines been skewed recently? Celarnor Talk to me 21:26, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Delete per nom, plus I doubt this list is seriously maintainable. +Hexagon1 (t) 00:53, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- What makes it unmaintainable? It's a fairly simple matter to add an entry into a list when a given musician from this location becomes notable. If it's unmaintainable, then the same could be said about its category bretheren, which should also be put under the same scrutiny. Celarnor Talk to me 02:23, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Quite the contrary, the category is perfect for this, it can be added to any new rapper article and combines them effortlessly. This list will be forgotten and remain in the poor state it is now. Just to prove my point, the article is currently orphaned, except for things related to this AfD and userspace discussions. +Hexagon1 (t) 03:26, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- And the name of any rapper can be added to the list. I don't see how it's more difficult; it's like, two more clicks. The added benefits that lists have over categories for human readability far outweigh those few extra clicks. Again, it should be noted that categories and lists aren't to be considered in conflict with one another, rather that they should be used to keep their accompaniant well-maintained and up to date. Celarnor Talk to me 03:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- But no one is going to make those two clicks... hence seriously in the original comment. +Hexagon1 (t) 08:19, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- What makes you think they'll make the one click to add it to a category? Seriously, this is essentially a NOEFFORT argument. Celarnor Talk to me 09:08, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well it was just my addendum to the nominator's comments. I still consider them valid. But point taken, my bad. +Hexagon1 (t) 12:43, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- What makes you think they'll make the one click to add it to a category? Seriously, this is essentially a NOEFFORT argument. Celarnor Talk to me 09:08, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- But no one is going to make those two clicks... hence seriously in the original comment. +Hexagon1 (t) 08:19, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- And the name of any rapper can be added to the list. I don't see how it's more difficult; it's like, two more clicks. The added benefits that lists have over categories for human readability far outweigh those few extra clicks. Again, it should be noted that categories and lists aren't to be considered in conflict with one another, rather that they should be used to keep their accompaniant well-maintained and up to date. Celarnor Talk to me 03:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Quite the contrary, the category is perfect for this, it can be added to any new rapper article and combines them effortlessly. This list will be forgotten and remain in the poor state it is now. Just to prove my point, the article is currently orphaned, except for things related to this AfD and userspace discussions. +Hexagon1 (t) 03:26, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect/Merge to Southern hip hop. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. Louis rappers for a similar afd. Pastordavid (talk) 17:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.