Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kiyoshi Kawakubo (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Sk8erPrince (talk) 23:48, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kiyoshi Kawakubo

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Only reliable source in the article is the subject's 81 Produce profile. No secondary news sources found. Main roles include Simon Wright from Captain Future (the Japanese anime), and Samia Don from Onegai Samia Don. Samia Don in particular is non-notable, and the subject does not even have a passing mention in the Capture Future article. Pietro Rossi, whom is a role from 3000 Leagues in Search of Mother mentioned in the previous AFD, is that of the supporting cast. Again, the subject is not even vaguely mentioned. Grosspoliner (also mentioned in the previous AFD), from Silent Mobius, is ALSO a supporting character. Limited significant roles lay the grounds for deletion. The keep camp from the previous AFD were overly sympathetic with the article's creator (she was a novice at the time) rather than basing their arguments on facts. We don't need sympathy in an AFD. We only need unbiased votes to reach a clear consensus. Sk8erPrince (talk) 15:16, 12 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:12, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:12, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Meets WP:ENT significant roles in multiple productions, all of these have wikipedia articles:
- Captain Future - Simon Wright - Main
- Onegai! Samia-don - Samia-don - Main
- 3000 Leagues in Search of Mother - Pietro, main character's father - Main - note that with ANN they only highlight the main character himself as the only main, which is not true.
- Zoom the White Dolphin - Michael - Main
- Bubblegum Crisis OAV - Quincy - Main antagonist

AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 05:31, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You know, out of all the shows you've mentioned, the subject has only been listed in the characters list of Bubblegum Crisis. It should be noted that because none of the aforementioned shows (except Bubblegum Crisis) are really all that notable, nobody bothered to write a more detailed article for any of them. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 06:30, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Lack of a good article here about a topic doesn't mean it's not notable. Please get that idea out of your mind. All it means (on this entirely volunteer site) is that no one has had the time (or perhaps the resources) to create the article. He was also a main character in Salaryman Kintarō (plays Morinosuke Yamato, a main character throughout much of the series). He is the Japanese-dub voice of David Niven for almost all films. He is one of the narrators for the long-running Asadora series. He is very prolific in a lot of different areas, and he's been in the business since the mid-60s. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:08, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

AFDs closed as keep due to sympathetic votes need to be renominated, especially when there's no progress on expansion at all in 8 years, not even a basic Expand Japanese template. Honestly, people need to focus more on the SUBJECT rather than the article creator, and in the previous AFD, the participants focused on the latter instead. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 00:54, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And that applies to my comments how? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 01:28, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

One of the main reasons why I've renominated the article is due to how the previous AFD ended. There are more keep votes than delete votes, sure, but quite a decent portion of the keep camp are sympathetic to either the subject or the article creator, rather than the ACTUAL NOTABILITY of the subject himself. Additionally, it should also be noted that the article creator threw several hissy fits over getting offended that her article was nominated for deletion. I really loathe contributors like her. Kitty has also admitted that the article has yet to be completed with sufficient sources before publication. Unacceptable. That's not how AFDs work, nor is it how one should go about writing an article. Which is why I'm hoping that in this second nomination, people could instead focus on the subject, and only the subject with an unbiased view. Comments like these are definitely biased:

"Keep: Because Kitty53 is an honest editor who needs our support and guidance. The article can be improved but does not warrant deletion"

"Keep: What, we're deleting totally random articles on real people now? I say keep this since its deletion wouldn't actually contribute anything to the project's credibility, weight issues, manual of style or any of that."

And these were actually keep votes. Outrageous.

But as far as this AFD is concerned? So far, so good. I'll throw in an Expand Japanese template if I see one more keep vote. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 01:46, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anyone making those kinds of arguments here, so bringing the past discussions up is irrelevant to this discussion. Here, only items indicating notability have been discussed (except for your comments here). ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:11, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This one looks like it passes WP:ENT, I have not heard any convincing arguments from the nominator. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:47, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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