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Heads up on page moves
[edit]Hi Knowledgekid87, I wanted to notify you of some planned page moves, since you seem to be one of the few watching the animanga portal subpages. If you don't object, I will move the remaining "Selected series" subpages ([1]) to "Selected articles", so I can more explicitly expand the scope to include featured character articles on the portal page, like Naruto Uzumaki and Allen Walker. The primary subpage (here) was already moved several years ago, and indeed there are already non-series entries there, such as manga magazines. — Goszei (talk) 06:34, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
- I don't mind these moves here as they will make them uniformed, thanks for asking though! =) - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:34, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
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[edit]Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Deprecate_linking_to_Wikipedia_books_in_templates_and_articles--Moxy- 14:40, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Need some help
[edit]Could you take a look at this sandbox revision of mine, and help me evaluate this info for potential merging with the article? ([2])
Basically, I started from scratch using the ICMEC megareport, and filled in the "real child pornography" and "possession" columns based off those. Any country with a check in the first column has "specific laws that proscribe and/or penalize CSAM offenses", so we should be able to definitely say that real pornography is "Illegal" there. The "Simple Possession" column seems like another easy copy-and-paste across the board.
Just from doing that, a huge number of inconsistencies became apparent with the tables at the article. I then filled in "Unclear" in the "virtual" column if ICMEC says there was no definition, and then I tried to fill in the rest of "no data" cells (where evidently ICMEC determined there IS a clear legal definition, but annoyingly neglected to state it) in the column using ECPAT reports ([3]) and their limited database ([4]). This source was very helpful for the Latin America states because it explicitly states the status of virtual material in each country.
I noticed that the US State Department info was wildly divergent from ICMEC and ECPAT in many places, so that should be examined. — Goszei (talk) 19:04, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Goszei: I will combine some of your findings with information already present to see if its the most up to date. I don't think its a good idea to use sources in a blanketed format from 2016 and 2018. The other sources I found include ones done by the Department of State and Labor which can't be discounted as some date to 2019. I also used penal codes from different countries which state the status of a given situation. Like you said... the laws are complicated in some of the given countries and can't just be lumped into one category or another. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:59, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Goszei: Sorry if I am a bit more strict on sourcing, it would be nice to see why the box is checked or not is all with a supporting source. Some of the check marks or X's have footnotes next to them showing exactly where and why the box is a yes or no. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 04:05, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- No need to apologize, I mostly intended to compile the ICMEC stuff as a sanity check/data reconcilition (more detailed refs are always better, to be sure). I am realizing now (like you said) that my assumption of "laws specific to CSAM: checked" necessarily means "real CP: illegal" is flawed. — Goszei (talk) 04:22, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Just so you know, I am not that IP over on the talk page (lol). — Goszei (talk) 22:59, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
- I didn't think you were, no worries. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:20, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
You said you suggest the live action adaptation section should be split. Just to let you know, there is already a draft for it at Draft:Powerpuff (upcoming TV series) Anthony hello123 (talk) 19:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Gerlich
[edit]The source provided on the page, which is a shorter snippet of this: https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Wizard_of_Oz_FAQ/HNCGDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=jackie+gerlich+1925&pg=PT153&printsec=frontcover actually does give weight to a 1925 birth. Are we really to distrust the claims of his brother over independent researchers when there is a lacking of official records to support 1917? Thanks --Jkaharper (talk) 16:59, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Jkaharper: Thanks for letting me know, I hope the 'disputed" notion I added works for everyone as we can't prove one way or another which year is correct. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:11, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Knowledgekid87: Works for me! I've added Porter with the Cox source. There are now 121 dwarf actors listed. Given that most sources say there were 122 or 124, safe to assume the table is still missing either 1 or 3 names. But who? Thanks --Jkaharper (talk) 17:31, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Knowledgekid87:, I've also restored Rosen. I have Cox's book in front of me and he's listed. If you go on to Google books and search Jimmie Rosen Wizard of Oz, the Cox book appears as evidence. No idea who he played – Cox doesn't say, though he does give birth and death years. Thanks --Jkaharper (talk) 18:00, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Jkaharper: Oh very nice! Yes I have used Cox for as many sources as I could find as he is definitely reliable in terms of the research and interviews he has done. Thanks for your help. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:00, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Knowledgekid87:, I've managed to pinpoint the original source used for the list. It was on Donna Stewart Hardaway's old "Kansas of Oz" website. The domain name and the site were sadly lost following her death in 2008. The source was annoyingly scrubbed from Wiki afterwards, rather than archived properly using the Wayback Machine. Donna was, as well as a munchkin actress, an authority on this topic. She organised reunions and toured the country attending events, and as her website says, she even collaborated with Cox. I have no doubt in my mind her information is accurate. Here is an archived copy of the masterlist of munchkins on her site. It includes child actress Patsy May, as well as Eleanor Keaton (which Donna notes was an adult of small stature). Patsy makes 12, which surely completes the set of child actresses as we're told from existing sources that there were "about a dozen". Keaton would require her own section as she was neither a dwarf actress nor a child. If you're satisfied, I'll restore both those names (Keaton in a sub-section of her own) and use the Wayback Machine version of Donna's site as a source? This post tends to confirm it was Buster Keaton's wife. The first comment, by someone who interviewed her, confirms she also played a munchkin. Sadly we can't use Facebook as a source, even if it's from a reputably group such as this, but I will link her name to the Eleanor Keaton page if you're satisfied with the evidence. Thanks again --Jkaharper (talk) 16:35, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Jkaharper: Oh very nice! Yes I have used Cox for as many sources as I could find as he is definitely reliable in terms of the research and interviews he has done. Thanks for your help. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:00, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Knowledgekid87:, I've also restored Rosen. I have Cox's book in front of me and he's listed. If you go on to Google books and search Jimmie Rosen Wizard of Oz, the Cox book appears as evidence. No idea who he played – Cox doesn't say, though he does give birth and death years. Thanks --Jkaharper (talk) 18:00, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Knowledgekid87: Works for me! I've added Porter with the Cox source. There are now 121 dwarf actors listed. Given that most sources say there were 122 or 124, safe to assume the table is still missing either 1 or 3 names. But who? Thanks --Jkaharper (talk) 17:31, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
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Dependent/overseas territories
[edit]Should most if not all dependent or overseas territories have their own Lists of something in Foo for any lists on any specific topics or subjects? Discussion has been kick-started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lighthouses#Dependent/overseas territories. 219.76.24.210 (talk) 11:02, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
Wrong Christmas Island?
[edit][5] [6][7] Which Christmas Island should have their own list? The Kiribati one or Australian one? 219.76.24.200 (talk) 13:03, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
Dependent territories in tables
[edit]May I know if there is any rule on how dependent territories should be presented in tables? For instance the section for Hong Kong was first made a subsection in the article on the legality of child pornography,[8] and then when the sections were converted into tables the territory don't even get to have its own row (or its own sub-row, with indent, below the respective sovereign state).[9] 219.76.24.210 (talk) 13:08, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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[edit]What episode was it where he was playing neo from the matrix? 2604:2D80:D118:1D00:94F5:B81E:2976:D251 (talk) 04:48, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
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[edit]Kane Tanaka
[edit]I don't think the three edits were in any way controversial and I sincerely believe they help improve the article. Use of the word 'service' is unnecessary, third daughter to 'niece' is more accurate and the Meiji era is alluded to in the following section. Not sure what I did wrong... Sincerely, MattSucci (talk) 00:54, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- @MattSucci: It was a mistake on my part so my apologies again... - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:14, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
No problem, apology accepted. Regards, MattSucci (talk) 18:44, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Attribution
[edit]Howdy hello. Make sure you provide attribution in the edit summary when you copy/split content out of a page :) CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 05:59, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
Lucile Randon
[edit]I saw that you added "a year after Lucile was born". I was thinking it should say "a year after they were born". What do you think? MattSucci (talk) 12:39, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- That's fine, as long as its clear what the reference is. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 12:57, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
I'll leave to you, if you think it worth it. Regards, MattSucci (talk) 14:58, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
Cow Cleaner 5000
[edit]This user is still around, though they are using ips and not making new accounts. Check out Shueisha for some of their newest edits. I have taken the liberty of setting them back as active on their long-term abuse page.$chnauzer 14:19, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Elizabeth II
[edit]Howdy. That so called laundry list in the infobox, has been there for 'years', as a result of an RFC. GoodDay (talk) 13:58, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
- @GoodDay: I'm honestly not sure why as the link to Commonwealth realm has all of the given information. It would be for the same reason why we aren't including here full royal titles in the box which also should be linked. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:16, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
- It's been that way for years, with consensus backing it up. The collapse version, saves us the ridicules appearance of having a bunch of countries crowded together in a little area of the infobox. GoodDay (talk) 14:27, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
- Why do we need the countries in the info box? George VI was Emperor of India and countries within the British Empire, following this logic wouldn't we also have to include all of the countries he was King/Emperor of until x date? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:31, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
- We need them, because some of the realms were created 'during' her reign & some of the other realms became republics. GoodDay (talk) 18:33, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
- Why do we need the countries in the info box? George VI was Emperor of India and countries within the British Empire, following this logic wouldn't we also have to include all of the countries he was King/Emperor of until x date? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:31, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
- It's been that way for years, with consensus backing it up. The collapse version, saves us the ridicules appearance of having a bunch of countries crowded together in a little area of the infobox. GoodDay (talk) 14:27, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Thank you for helping me with the userbox! Senor0001 (talk) 14:53, 18 November 2022 (UTC) |
- @Senor0001: You are very welcome =). I have had things that went up for deletion too, it looks like your userbox will be kept as editors don't see it as an issue. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:55, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- Ah okay. Just wondering how do I block users? I think I’m going to block that guy who proposed the deletion. Ain’t salty, but he’s just a general pain Senor0001 (talk) 15:28, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Senor0001: You can't block users on Wikipedia, but you can request an WP:IBAN at WP:AN if you feel that you are being harassed. You are better off just ignoring them, but if you do go there make sure you have a solid case for doing so. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:58, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- Ah okay. Just wondering how do I block users? I think I’m going to block that guy who proposed the deletion. Ain’t salty, but he’s just a general pain Senor0001 (talk) 15:28, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
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Ships
[edit]I've reverted your edit of June 2019 because it was plain wrong: Ships preserved in museums is of ships inside museums, list of museum ships is of intact ships, usually afloat, where visitors can go aboard. There may be a grey area around museums of ships, where an intact, outdoors, ship is part of a large maritime museum, but apart from that they are quite different. I visited the Dover bronze age boat recently, then looked at its article, found that Category:Ships preserved in museums had "The main article for this category is Ships preserved in museums." which at that point was a redirect to an article which explicitly didn't cover the topic ... and found your mistake. Easily done, they sound as if they might be the same thing, but they aren't. PamD 11:30, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- @PamD: I think the larger issue is that grey area you mentioned along with too broad of a topic. Where do you see this list going? There are for example... two replica museum ships at the open air museum for the Boston Tea Party. [10]. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:43, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, it's certainly muddled in the overlap. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ships#Preserved_ships_and_museum_ships, where I try to find a ship enthusiast to sort it out. PamD 18:32, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, but you say "replica museum ships", and I think the article excludes replicas for a start. More confusion. PamD 18:36, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, it's certainly muddled in the overlap. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ships#Preserved_ships_and_museum_ships, where I try to find a ship enthusiast to sort it out. PamD 18:32, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
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[edit]Sorry to bother you, and you can feel free to not jump in on it, but I added you to a dispute resolution form about the Chivalry of a Failed Knight page. You were impartial and third partying it, so I felt it relevant to add you, but you're not part of the arguing party so you don't need to try to participate in it.
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- @Moops: Thanks, you too! =) - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:40, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
Chivalry of a Failed Knight RFC
[edit]Dispute we had you in never reached any consensus, so it had to go to RFC as a continuation. Since you were participating with an open mind in both the actual discussion on the talk page and in the dispute, at least at first, it'd be nice if we could have your participation and feedback. Draco Safarius (talk) 06:10, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Table in Nazi Doctors
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You added a new system of organizing the list of nazi doctors in List of Nazi doctors. The original had a total of two names clearly listed for the "A" category. Now you have in order by the first name and have multiple "A" listings. You have also removed the DOCTOR title designation, a point of the article, the power of doctors. The doctors birth day is of no relevance to this page, but would go to identifying them correctly on their main web page. Nationality is also no relevance. Reference is unneeded as they all have WIKIPEDIA articles. I would revert if I could.
Can you organize the list by the last name? No.--Mark v1.0 (talk) 14:11, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Mark v1.0: I can reorganize the names by last name yes. I will also remove the "nationality" column as you are right that it has no relevance. As for the "power of doctors"? What does this even mean? Every name listed on the page is going to be a doctor per the title's name "list of Nazi DOCTORS". - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:07, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
- It is still messed up.--Mark v1.0 (talk) 18:52, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Mark v1.0: Yes, I am getting to the "HUman Experimentation" list, you can help too if you want. Wikipedia is a work in progress right? Lets give this "list of Nazi doctors" a scope. Right now since its about Nazi doctors in the broadest sense, I have gone with basic bio info (birth/death) and what they were most known for. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 04:09, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- You wrote " You can help too"
- To suggest I fix your mistakes is ridiculous. I am not your mommy to clean up after you when you play. Mark v1.0 (talk) 16:11, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Mark v1.0: Yes, I am getting to the "HUman Experimentation" list, you can help too if you want. Wikipedia is a work in progress right? Lets give this "list of Nazi doctors" a scope. Right now since its about Nazi doctors in the broadest sense, I have gone with basic bio info (birth/death) and what they were most known for. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 04:09, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- The major problem I see is clearly stated in my first sentence ( I took a screen shot of before and after to illustrate the problem) , the list is organized by the first name and not by the last name, and you acknowledge it by writing "I can reorganize the names by last name yes".
This is the work I refuse to do because you caused the problem in the first place.--Mark v1.0 (talk) 18:07, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Mark v1.0: "the list is organized by the first name and not by the last name", this was the problem correct? The names are no longer sorted by their first name. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:36, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for fixing the lists order by the last name. My only question now is what is a "Gutachter" ? An appraiser?--Mark v1.0 (talk) 00:41, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not entirely sure, T4-Gutachter at this point is a duplicated article of the "Euthanasia" section at List of Nazi doctors. T4-Gutachter should probably be merged and redirected to the latter to provide context. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:55, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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- @SunDawn: Thanks! =) I actually translated the article from the German Wikipedia, some of the references used might need further explanation. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:25, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Suggestion
[edit]Hello, Knowledgekid87! You might be interested in endorsing an essay in which creation I participated – WP:NOCONFED. Of course, this is just a suggestion, nothing more. Cheers! — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 21:09, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Sundostund: I opposed endorsement as there are more arguments to the opposing side. I would feel better if some of their concerns were met is all and believe you made the essay with the best intentions. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:39, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply! I fully understand and respect your opinion, while I obviously may disagree with it. — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 02:18, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
Ocean liner
[edit]Good day, Knowledgekid87! I hope you're well. I have seen that you have changed my recent contributions and additions to Preservation section of the Ocean liner page, describing them as "fan fluff" and "Not helpful, this reads more like a fan blog". May I please ask, what you specifically found so unfitting about the additional information I provided, that you felt the need to revert the section to your original version? And in what ways we could collaborate to improve said section? Thank you. Firebobby (talk) 06:46, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
Lighthouse Magazine
[edit]Hi, kind of an odd question but figured I'd ask. I'm currently working on improving the article Devils Island Light from start class to c-class (hopefully higher!) and want to get my hands on one source, the January 1999 edition of Lighthouse Magazine. Now it looks like the magazine sells reissues at a reasonable price, but before I bought that I thought I'd reach out to a few fellow Wikiproject Lighthouse members to see if anyone already had a copy of this magazine. Thanks! Patr2016 (talk) 02:01, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
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Talking on an edit
[edit]On what platform could we have a talk about one of your edits? Memez01923 (talk) 02:11, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Memez01923: is this regarding Crew of the Titanic? I would start a discussion at Talk:Crew of the Titanic for more editor opinion. I undid your version as you deleted things that were sourced. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:35, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
not planking
[edit]... and you neglected to explain your reversal. please, do better. 24.17.106.158 (talk) 03:51, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
RfC on the "Airlines and destinations" tables in airport articles
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Great Western tonnage
[edit]This is somewhat problematic, and not helped by the general paucity of data on tonnages for vessels like Great Western that were not classed by Lloyd's Register, and consequently are not included in the published registers. Also, that mid-19th century when there were several changes in the definitions of tonnage, some of which existed in parallel or were adopted over periods.
- Hunt's Merchants Magazine 1844 cannot be referring to GRT as such, that was only developed in UK in 1849 by Moorsom, and phased in between then and 1854 - and not adopted in the US until 1864
- The Old Measurement system seems to have been used in all the official registrations for GW, though they varied over time, no doubt partly changes made to the ship, and changes to the application of the rules.
- Shipowners typically used the lowest official tonnage figure in dealing with authorities (eg for port dues), while using the highest available in their advertisements. But Hunt's 1700t is very much higher than any of the official figures.
- Although GRT/NRT was yet to some, there had been deductions allowed for steamships to exclude the engine/boiler spaces snce about 1836, but the terminology "gross/net" was not used. Registration documents of that era show the resulting tonnage as "registered tonnage", with a separate figure for the engine room - they can of course be summed to produce a "proto gross tonnage". From published sources I do have total tonnage in 1837 (1320t) and both for 1849 (1154t, 1776 total), and from primary sources a full set of figues for registrations in 1837, 1847, 1848 and 1849, plus plus the official remeasurement for GRT/NRT in 1855
I have a couple of books on order which may help. Meanwhile I'll hold off adding anything on this, but would welcome your thoughts. - Davidships (talk) 01:29, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Davidships: Hmmm... if what you said is true about GRT then this would impact several ships on the Timeline of largest passenger ships. SS Royal William, SS Great Western, SS British Queen, SS President, and SS Great Britain all have GRT values that wouldn't have applied in their record breaking lifetimes. Was the old measurement system converted to GRT after the fact by historians? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:21, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Mumonginsen moved to draftspace
[edit]Thanks for your contributions to Mumonginsen. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has no sources. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.
Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. C F A 💬 23:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Hello! I have moved the above article back to mainspace as the draftification was largely abusive, however I noticed a little too late that the article was named Mumonginsen (1 word), whereas the intro said Mumon Ginsen (2 words). I am not that much of a Japanese speaker, but do you know which one is most appropriate in that case? Thanks! Superboilles (talk) 19:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Superboilles: I don't like to get involved in wiki-drama or WP:ANI discussions but calling a standard move "abusive" is definitely a WP:AGF/WP:CIVIL violation. You didn't even courtesy-ping me. The article, at the time of draftification, had no sources which is a standard, non-controversial WP:DRAFTIFY reason so the creator can add references in draft space and move it back. C F A 💬 21:16, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Superboilles: @Clearfrienda: If either of you are interested in helping , I have been translating the Ja:wiki article which has sources into English for the article. [11]. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good, and thank you for your patience. I can't speak Japanese so I wouldn't be of much help. If it's still eligible when you're done, I suggest nominating it for WP:DYK because it seems to be a fairly interesting topic. C F A 💬 14:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Superboilles: @Clearfrienda: If either of you are interested in helping , I have been translating the Ja:wiki article which has sources into English for the article. [11]. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)