Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kim Woo-jae
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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 10:20, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
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fails WP:NHOCKEY Joeykai (talk) 15:58, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
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KeepComment: Meets WP:NHOCKEY #6 as he coached the South Korean team at the 2018 Winter Olympics [1] and 2018 IIHF World Championship [2]. GNG is another story. – Nurmsook! talk... 17:51, 7 May 2018 (UTC)- @Nurmsook: He was an assistant to Jim Paek and assistants are not specifically mentioned in NHOCKEY, it just says coaches and managers. I am assuming the guideline means the top level, otherwise anything down to goaltender coaches and equipment managers could meet that. A bit of GNG-worthy sourcing would be nice here as what is currently sourced are non-independent stats pages, team profiles, and WP:ROUTINE game coverage. Yosemiter (talk) 19:52, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
- We did actually mean assistants when we created it. And probably goaltending coaches too, but equipment managers are not coaching staff so that is going a bit far. It was meant to be the main coaching staff. But GNG does come into play here. -DJSasso (talk) 14:16, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- That's fine, I did not vote due to the uncertainty. I also was not sure if this individual met GNG because I don't trust my searches in Korean. It is certainly possible they meet GNG, but I just wanted some proof for team staff, that despite playing in a top-level tournament, was only there because they were host and would not normally be competing at that level or if coverage was one-off. Thanks for the clarification. Yosemiter (talk) 14:25, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- The second part of your statement is irrelevant though. He still coached at the Olympics, regardless of whether or not he was on the host team and they would usually be there or not. Beyond that, he's also now coached at the top-level IIHF Championship, so him coaching at the highest level of international hockey is no longer even a one-off. He very clearly meets WP:NHOCKEY; the more unclear issue is whether or not he meets WP:GNG. – Nurmsook! talk... 23:00, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Nurmsook: For the second part, I specifically meant GNG-worthy coverage when I said one-off, as in is covered for more than WP:ONEEVENT. I have found no mentions of him in the current IIHF tournament other than a Elite Prospects and primary-source staff listings. The closest I found is that he is mentioned here and here, and even that is strictly just a mention and nothing about him as a coach. So unless there is something in Korean that I am not finding due to the language barrier search results, this certainly appears to be one of those 1% cases where the subject possibly passes NHOCKEY, but fails GNG. And since GNG trumps SNGs, it would be a deletion candidate. Yosemiter (talk) 15:12, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Yosemiter: Fair enough, and I've changed my "keep" to "comment" as my original intention here was to flag that Joeykai's rationale that he fails NHOCKEY was not actually factual. I agree that GNG is questionable, but he without question meets NHOCKEY. As you mention, NHOCKEY ultimately doesn't matter if he fails GNG, so that's what the argument should be here. But each of the delete comments (aside from one) in this AfD are based on him failing NHOCKEY which is simply not correct, and that is what I am disputing. – Nurmsook! talk... 16:12, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Nurmsook: For the second part, I specifically meant GNG-worthy coverage when I said one-off, as in is covered for more than WP:ONEEVENT. I have found no mentions of him in the current IIHF tournament other than a Elite Prospects and primary-source staff listings. The closest I found is that he is mentioned here and here, and even that is strictly just a mention and nothing about him as a coach. So unless there is something in Korean that I am not finding due to the language barrier search results, this certainly appears to be one of those 1% cases where the subject possibly passes NHOCKEY, but fails GNG. And since GNG trumps SNGs, it would be a deletion candidate. Yosemiter (talk) 15:12, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
- The second part of your statement is irrelevant though. He still coached at the Olympics, regardless of whether or not he was on the host team and they would usually be there or not. Beyond that, he's also now coached at the top-level IIHF Championship, so him coaching at the highest level of international hockey is no longer even a one-off. He very clearly meets WP:NHOCKEY; the more unclear issue is whether or not he meets WP:GNG. – Nurmsook! talk... 23:00, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- That's fine, I did not vote due to the uncertainty. I also was not sure if this individual met GNG because I don't trust my searches in Korean. It is certainly possible they meet GNG, but I just wanted some proof for team staff, that despite playing in a top-level tournament, was only there because they were host and would not normally be competing at that level or if coverage was one-off. Thanks for the clarification. Yosemiter (talk) 14:25, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- We did actually mean assistants when we created it. And probably goaltending coaches too, but equipment managers are not coaching staff so that is going a bit far. It was meant to be the main coaching staff. But GNG does come into play here. -DJSasso (talk) 14:16, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Nurmsook: He was an assistant to Jim Paek and assistants are not specifically mentioned in NHOCKEY, it just says coaches and managers. I am assuming the guideline means the top level, otherwise anything down to goaltender coaches and equipment managers could meet that. A bit of GNG-worthy sourcing would be nice here as what is currently sourced are non-independent stats pages, team profiles, and WP:ROUTINE game coverage. Yosemiter (talk) 19:52, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Exemplo347 (talk) 08:29, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Exemplo347 (talk) 08:29, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:NHOCKEY. Assistant coaches/managers are not generally considered notable, unless they have something else of notability in their careers, which this guy does not.FirefoxLSD (talk) 15:54, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Fails to meet WP:NHOCKEY and lacks the significant independent coverage required to meet WP:GNG. Being one of the assistant coaches at the Olympics does not guarantee notability. Papaursa (talk) 18:17, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. -The Gnome (talk) 05:42, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
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