Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jahfarr Wilnis

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The result was keep. Davewild (talk) 18:23, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jahfarr Wilnis

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Kickboxer who fails both WP:GNG and WP:KICK. The coverage is routine sports reporting and winning a title from a minor organization is not enough to show notability. Jakejr (talk) 19:12, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete As per nominator.Peter Rehse (talk) 20:46, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment He will be notable in 7 days ;) .Master Sun Tzu (talk) 03:15, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't help that there is no indication here or in the article why that would be.Peter Rehse (talk) 08:02, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Because he defeated Gerges Combatpress.com will rank him in top 10 in July. Delete him now, but you will return him in July :) Master Sun Tzu (talk) 12:05, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well its almost July now but its hard to predict absolutely what a third party may or may not do. Do you know when the combatpress rankings come out? This sounds like a case for Userfy rather than outright deletion.Peter Rehse (talk) 10:33, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Combatpress rankings are updated every month. On July 1. he will be in top 10 certenly. Master Sun Tzu (talk) 01:05, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cool - I think this AfD should remain open till then. Then votes can change.Peter Rehse (talk) 11:12, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Wilnis is currently ranked 14th in the Glory promotion, so it's reasonable to assume his world ranking is lower. Assuming he'll be ranked in the top 10 requires a crystal ball. Since WP:KICK says the ranking should preferably be from at least 2 independent reliable organizations because of the variability in rankings, I will stick with my delete unless Jahfarr Wilnis is ranked in the top 10 by both Combat Press and liverkick.com (which is the usual benchmark). If both rank him in the top 10 then change my delete to keep. Jakejr (talk) 20:24, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

First of all Glory rankings are not independent so do not mind them. For years Liverkick was only portal with independent rankings, now we also have Combat press. Difference is that Liverkick rankings updates are very rare, and Combat press does it every month, which is OK. And I don't see why their rankings are worse than those of Liverkick. They are even better because they are updated orderly. Master Sun Tzu (talk) 021:55, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My point is that if he's ranked 14th by one promotion, there are likely to be other fighters in the rest of the world that would be ranked ahead of him if the rankings were combined. I'm sticking with guidelines that say 2 rankings are preferred. If two major rankings agree he's top ten then I support the claim of notability, otherwise not. Jakejr (talk) 23:35, 26 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OMG OMG OMG look at the Glory's ranking For Christ's Sake, top 10 are Vigney, Barry, Lewis Parry, what are you talking about? If u don't know anything about kickboxing please leave this debate. Master Sun Tzu (talk) 13:30, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand this comment at all. I don't see what difference it makes who is ranked ahead of him, the notability claim is based on his ranking. I think Jakejr's comment about the rankings of the 2 organizations is reasonable, although I can understand why supporters would settle for one. Hopefully, Liverkick and Combat Press will agree and simplify the decision. Papaursa (talk) 02:43, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Liverkick updates their rankings once a year... So they can hardly agree, as changes happen every month. It is just a matter of luck who will be in top 10 by Liverkick. Combat Press is doing better job with their monthly rankings... Master Sun Tzu (talk) 03:30, 02 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This last statement is clearly false. I checked and found Liverkick updated their ratings in both February and May of this year (at least). That's not monthly but it's certainly more than once a year.

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JAaron95 (Talk) 13:35, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Ranked in top 10 by Combat Press. Rankings Master Sun Tzu (talk) 12:05, 01 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He is now ranked in the top 10 by Combat Press, but what helped convince me was the write-up at liverkick about the Kunlun event [1] where it says "With this tournament win Wilnis has propelled himself into the top ten with just one night of work." That seems like enough to meet WP:KICK. Papaursa (talk) 01:40, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - passes WP:KICK with evidence provided by the two !voters here above. Kraxler (talk) 16:52, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - does pass WP:KICKGUIDE as a heavyweight fighter now. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:01, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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