Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barry Nobles

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Caroline Buchanan. Despite being relisted multiple times, those arguing to "keep" did not provide evidence of this meeting GNG. Redirecting to Caroline Buchanan seems a good compromise per WP:ATD. Any info worth merging is available from the article's history. Randykitty (talk) 13:58, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Barry Nobles

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Might be wrong on this, but tagged since 2017 and the only coverage I found which passes WP:GNG on him was about his wedding to a prominent Australian biker, everything else was interviews in industry publications. Also currently fails WP:SPORTCRIT as written. SportingFlyer T·C 16:42, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. SportingFlyer T·C 16:42, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Motorsport-related deletion discussions. SportingFlyer T·C 16:42, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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SSSB (talk) 08:42, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:32, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, just clicking on the news link above finds many, many interviews with and analysis of the subject. Therefore the subject passes the GNG. The argument that these are industry publications is spurious, and I strongly urge that the nominator refrain from making such arguments in the future. Plus the article gets 6 pageviews a day and the trend is upwards (10-12 a day lately). Abductive (reasoning) 02:29, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The "News" link in this AfD brings up nothing for me, and interviews don't count towards notability (not secondary.) SportingFlyer T·C 10:23, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Where does most news get reported? In industry publications. Nowhere in WP:N or WP:RS does it say that trade or industry publications are bad. If you persist in making such nominations, I will have to ask for some sort of intervention to get you to stop. Withdraw this nomination. Abductive (reasoning) 02:48, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The issue with industry mags is with identifying independence and reliability. The Pinkbike site appears to host "news stories" from anonymous bloggers (aka WP:UGC) and various event coordinators for events he was in (aka not independent), so it doesn't contribute to notability. Supercross and Red Bull also seem to be the sponsors/promo sites for some of the events he was in, so are not independent either. That leaves very few sources covering him, much less in-depth enough for GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 00:07, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 22:59, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —⁠ScottyWong⁠— 16:15, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as per Abductive I just searched on Google and found enough references to justify WP:GNG. GermanKity (talk) 02:54, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Which sources did you find? I performed a similar search and didn't find anything. SportingFlyer T·C 09:01, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ICANTHEARYOU Abductive (reasoning) 16:15, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I'm still not seeing independent SIGCOV here, can Abductive please link to some? JoelleJay (talk) 15:47, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Independent of the subject, or independent of the sports news coverage? Abductive (reasoning) 16:14, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:Independent sources. JoelleJay (talk) 17:23, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - I invite the closing admin to look at the plethora of sources linked in the template above. The users who are advocating deletion would invent excuses to discount any and all sources in order to win this WP:Battle. "Oh, discussing his personal life? Trivia!" "Discussing his sporting achievements? No good, the sources are sports-related!" "They interviewed him or asked him or his agent for information? Sounds like journalism!" Abductive (reasoning) 01:12, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Where have any of those arguments been put forth? It sure sounds like you are ABF... JoelleJay (talk) 02:03, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See above: "the only coverage I found which passes WP:GNG on him was about his wedding to a prominent Australian biker, everything else was interviews in industry publications" and "interviews don't count towards notability". A user who says these sorts of things should be topic-banned from AfD. Abductive (reasoning) 02:52, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Basically you're failing to demonstrate that there are no sources available to write an encyclopaedic article on him by saying I shouldn't be allowed to even file the AfD. Interviews do not usually count towards GNG because they're not secondary, that's not even controversial. Are there any sources on him that you think do pass GNG? SportingFlyer T·C 10:18, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Abductive, I'm almost positive SF mentioned the wedding not because it's "trivial personal information" but because it is evidence he is only discussed by high-quality IRS in the context of his wife, and notability is wp:NOTINHERITED. That's also the reason Ritchie333 is proposing a merge. And like SF said, interviews are typically excluded from notability consideration in AfDs. JoelleJay (talk) 17:15, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator admits that he found a source which passes GNG. Also, the non-interview sources demonstrate that he was, for example, champion of certain events, and granted automatic seeds into events. This is similar to many other athletes in more established sports, and bias against the newness of the sport is not a reason to delete. Interviews may not be the best sources for reliablity, but they do indicate interest in the person. And, as stated above, the pageviews show that there is sustained and increasing readership interest in him. Abductive (reasoning) 17:29, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Caroline Buchanan per WP:INVALIDBIO. I searched for sources, and the best ones all seem to be talking about her, not him. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:39, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete with optional Merge per Ritchie333. As a BLP the sourcing criteria is higher and two bike related sources are not good enough per the career notability tag. The so far dictionary entry surely would be better served by merging. There is a an always constant need to create articles (looks good on the stats) over expanding and improving existing ones. If there is future interest someone can recreate an article from the merged content. -- Otr500 (talk) 13:45, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.