Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adam Idah

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The result was keep. Fenix down (talk) 16:53, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Adam Idah

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Footballer who fails WP:GNG and NFOOTY. DePRODed by creator. His reasons may be enough to leave the article as draft, though. BlameRuiner (talk) 05:59, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 07:04, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom, fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. No need to draftify. Giant Snowman 09:03, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - meets WP:GNG following sources below. Giant Snowman 14:46, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I am still new to the creation of articles, but I would like to know why this page, out of all of those about footballers, is being chosen for deletion. How does it fail WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL? There are references, and the footballer is part of the first team squad. Therefore over the course of the season there are only going to be more references added, as well as appearances to be made. In reference to the guidelines of NFootball, Adam Idah has signed a professional contract, and is now a fully professional footballer. As a professional footballer, Idah is likely to achieve point 2. this season with Norwich or on loan. I would also like to argue point 1. As a professional footballer who has appeared for the Under 21’s, it is likely that he will make his full debut soon. I feel that his 40 appearances and 22 goals at youth level also applies to the following statement; “The notability of these is accepted as they would have received significant coverage“. I believe that the article does not fail any of the GNG guidelines. The article with additional references is; providing significant coverage, reliable, includes sources, was not made by anyone connected with Adam Idah, and makes no presumptions. I would like to hear why you believe this article fails to meet the requirements.

All the best,

OLLSZCZ (talk) 03:30, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Footballers pass WP:NFOOTBALL when they play in a fully pro league or play senior international football. Idah has yet to do that. Claiming he is likely to play fails WP:CRYSTAL. Match reports/transfer news are WP:ROUTINE and can't be used to establish notability.--Dougal18 (talk) 06:04, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I would like to state that Idah has played in a fully professional league. Last season he played in the 2018–19 Professional U23 Development League. The league, as it states is professional. Professional is defined as: "engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as an amateur". Those who play in professional leagues come under that definition. In reference to WP:ROUTINE it says; "Run-of-the-mill events—common, everyday, ordinary items that do not stand out—are probably not notable." I don't believe that occorances which happen once in a life time are a routine event, such as the signing of a first professional contract, playing and scoring your first goals for a club. Those things will only ever happen once. Routine is defined as; "a sequence of actions regularly followed", the things I have stated are not regularly followed, and Idah will now for example never sign his first professional contract, or score/play for the first time as a pro. OLLSZCZ (talk) 07:21, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @OLLSZCZ: We have a list of fully professional leagues which pass WP:NFOOTY and the development league is not one of the leagues on that list (possibly since it's a reserve league.) WP:GNG is borderline here too, lots of references from the club. Since he's probably going to be notable very soon, but still fails WP:CRYSTAL at this point, I recommend copying the information to your sandbox or to a draft and then moving the page over once he makes an appearance for Norwich. SportingFlyer T·C 07:55, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - @SportingFlyer: Ok, thank you. Information saved. Delete the page if you must, and I'll re-upload it once an appearance is made. OLLSZCZ (talk) 08:05, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – meets WP:GNG (whether the article meets WP:NFOOTY isn't the only question for AfD discussions...). The WP:THREE are: Irish Examiner 2018, The42 2019, and Eastern Daily Press 2019. Also, I'm not a subscriber to The Sunday Times, but if anyone out there is, perhaps they can tell us if this article is SIGCOV: "Adam Idah predicts bright future for Ireland under Stephen Kenny’s leadership". – Levivich 03:18, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Concur subject meets GNG (as English Premier league prospects often do) - per sources by Levivich. Also likely to meet NFOOTY once the season starts (considering - [1] he's playing on the first team in the pre-season, and is signed to a long term contract [2] - likely to get some time) - however GNG trumps NFOOTY in any event. Icewhiz (talk) 06:42, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above passes WP:GNG through fails WP:NFOOTY as subject has not yet played for Norwich City F.C..Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:22, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify If this player never makes another football appearance, he will not be notable - the Examiner article is a profile of a youth sports player which are typically discounted, the42.ie article is a youth match report even if it's mostly about him, the Freezer article is a local article about how he has been called up to the first team. I suspect he makes his first appearance soon, but we do not assume in these types of situations. WP:CRYSTAL. SportingFlyer T·C 14:51, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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