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DYK for Adrienne Beames

On June 9, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Adrienne Beames, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 17:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Boston Marathon

Nice qualifying table. I saw your note about the border in the edit summary. Have you seen Help:Table? That should give you the directions to do what you want. Thanks. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 12:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Brian Stidham murder

Thank you for helping! Thank you, thank you, thank you, Location, location, location. Acme Plumbing (talk) 05:06, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I saw the change that you just made. Maybe remove the plastic surgery part? It is referenced but may be an error by Fox News. Makes more sense if he wanted to do more pediatric surgery since he was a pediatric eye surgeon. Maybe have the other guy in the office prepare kids for surgery and he does it. Makes more sense than changing professions into plastic surgery.Acme Plumbing (talk) 05:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help. You deserve a barnstar. I need to find out how to make one. In the meantime, settle for a temporary one. Thank you. Acme Plumbing (talk) 02:42, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

• Barnstar (temporary) *****

You did not "take over". You help save the article from people who did not know how different (and notable) this murder was. The guy who planned the murder losing his eyesight makes the case even more weird. Eye for an eye? Acme Plumbing (talk) 03:32, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

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		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		Thank for helping the Murder of Brian Stidham article Acme Plumbing (talk) 03:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		For outstanding editing Acme Plumbing (talk) 03:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

free use

Is the mug shot free use? Or stolen/fair use? If free, I will download it. I am asking someone else, too. Acme Plumbing (talk) 04:13, 11 August 2009 (UTC) May be difficult. The prison system alters their website making photo downloads impossible for the average person. Acme Plumbing (talk) 04:20, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Murder of Brian Stidham

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help?

You don't talk to people much. However, your help with Brian Stidham was much appreciated.

Would you help to write a story of Steve Titus. Somebody else did and won the Pulitzer Prize. I think this makes it notable because people could be looking up Pulitzer Prize stories and find it here in Wikipedia. Acme Plumbing (talk) 02:42, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Bobbi Gibb

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Thank you

Thank you for your helpful notes and linking comments at those two AfDs. Cirt (talk) 18:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely!

I'd simply deleted the previous entries as being nothing more than a declaratory statement. By all means, feel free to make a real article out of it. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 02:26, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

• I have no doubt.  :) The subject is sure notable, but "stating the obvious" like the originals did isn't a way to showcase it. Have fun! --PMDrive1061 (talk) 02:34, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Recent AfD comments

I understand if you feel strongly about the murderer-related AfDs. However, I don't really think it's fair play, or at least good form, to be patrolling my edits and specifically voting in all of my nominations. Presumably, AfDs in which the participants are the people who show up by chance are more representative of the community than the ones where you follow a nominator to all of his nominations in order to oppose them. As well, I don't know if you mean it that way, but it does feel sort of hostile to have someone copy and paste the same vote to something like 6 AfDs yours in half an hour, and then even again the next day when you create another one. Can we agree that it would be better to patrol the daily AfD subpages or sorted debates, rather than my personal contributions list? :-) Dominic·t 05:57, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Cannock Chase murders

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≈ Chamal ^{Avast, landlubber!} ¤ 22:08, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Nice work on the Olympic football article

You did a nice job piecing together the article on American football at the 1932 Olympics. It will make a nice DYK hook on a little-known piece of the sport's history. Cbl62 (talk) 23:39, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for American football at the 1932 Summer Olympics

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BorgQueen (talk) 04:07, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

List of Supercentenarians

Greetings,

Regarding your argument below:

Weak delete per WP:SALAT: "Selected lists of people should be selected for importance/notability in that category and should have Wikipedia articles (or the reasonable expectation of an article in the future)." If being a supercentenarian in life is not inherently notable, then it should not be in death either. Location (talk) 19:38, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

This list IS selected for notability: only about 1 in 1000 centenarians reaches "super" centenarian status...overall, only about 1 in 5 million persons in industrialized nations (and far fewer in developing nations) reach "super" centenarian status. Also, there are quite a few Wikipedia articles on supercentenarians. The problem is that some get news coverage, and others do not. The list, as rendered, is more demographically sound because it includes all validated 110+ deaths in year X, regardless of media bias.

To summarize, SOME supercentenarians are notable for age, and receive adequate coverage, but this coverage is often uneven and may be biased (for example, the oldest person in Scotland will get more coverage than the 5th-oldest person in Japan, even if the 5th-oldest person in Japan is older). Having a list balances out the imbalances.

Of course, one could just turn to the GRG lists, but they do not have the added feature of WIKILINKS. So the Wiki articles serve a function that exists nowhere else. These lists are encyclopedic. This is not a list of tomato cans.76.17.118.157 (talk) 19:50, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Although you do not post in Wikipedia frequently, you posted here 7 minutes after Longevitydude posted in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of supercentenarians who died in 2009. Are you a sock puppet? If not, you should post your comments there. Location (talk) 20:20, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Notability (news events)

Are we about ready for wider comment, such as an RfC? Fences&Windows 17:05, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Infobox runner

I have noticed that you marked this as depreciated without consulting Wikiproject Running. We have been working hard since 2006 and deserve a bit of respect and consultation. Contrary to the claims of some people who have established a spliter project, we do cover road races, track and field, cross country, mountain running and all aspect of the sport. In the United States, the term "athletics" includes all sports such as football, soccer, basketball, etc. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 18:34, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

That infobox was deprecated nearly four months ago after discussion in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Athletics. You may want to bring up your objections in one of the relevant forums rather than here. Location (talk) 01:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

The infoxbox was created by WikiProject Running and you certainly did not consult with us about it. I understand that there are differences in terminology between the United States and Great Britain, but since last May, Sillyfolkboy has caused a lot of confusion and duplication by starting a second WikiProject with a very similar scope and then changing everything in site over from Running to Athletics. In the United States, athletics include baseball, football, boxing, basketball, etc. Racepacket (talk) 03:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry if you feel that you were not given an opportunity to voice your opinion. The applicable edit histories indicate that Wikipedia:WikiProject Running was essentially inactive when this issue was discussed in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Athletics. If you feel that a consensus was not reached by proper means, you should involve other editors in the relevant forums. Location (talk) 00:08, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Ernst van Aaken / Joe Henderson

thanks for the addition! --JanDeFietser (talk) 05:09, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Cory_Allen_(Musician)

Hi Location, I really appreciate your positive critique on the AfD page. Such a relief to have an objective and positive User who is actually helping build Wikipedia, not splinter it. Cheers + Best Lotusleaves (talk) 17:04, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Vehicular homicide

Yes, merge also indicates redirect; I probably should always add that in the close (which I have done). Black Kite (t) (c) 05:58, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

AfD

FYI -- I've improved the article at the AfD here. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:20, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello

I have replied your comments in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Animal_protection I look forward to seeing your reply on the issues--Thisisaniceusername (talk) 12:57, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Leonard Hurst

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:04, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Just a short note to respect your work to do the right thing. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:32, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott M. Sipprelle (2nd nomination)

Location, I'd like you to revisit this AfD. Several of the sources provided come from the past decade that show Scott to have been a notable businessman long before his political aspirations began.---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 03:26, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Floyd C. Bayne

Location, the original vote on Floyd C. Bayne was more keeps than deletes so the article should not have been deleted, but at least it should be redirected to va 7th district race if not undeleted. Libertyactivist (talk) 06:27, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Multiple factors affect how an Afd is closed. The weight of the various arguments normally determines the final outcome rather than a strict tally of !votes. In that particular Afd, the presence of various IP without significant editing history points to the possibility of sockpuppetry. For example, your account is brand new and has an editing history that overlaps with other involved ISPs and registered accounts. You may want to talk to the closing admin for further clarification of his or her decision. As I mentioned in the Afd, redirect was my preference. Location (talk) 14:42, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Charles Lilburn Lewis

Interesting subject you have there! and some conflicting information to reconcile. I'm going to bring suggestions to you here, rather than add them myself, since I can see there is conflicting information out there and you have researched more thoroughly that I have.

For example, Lewis of Warner Hall (page 350) refers to him several times as "Colonel" Charles Lilburn Lewis, based on his service in the Revolutionary War as County Lieutenant of Albemarle County. I think that would be interesting to add if you consider it reliable, but his father is also referred to as "Colonel" so there might be some kind of mixup. Still, it clearly refers to them both as Colonel: "Col. Charles Lilburn Lewis, of Buck Island and Monteagle, was probably the oldest son of Col. Charles Lewis of Buck Island."

The Lucy article refers to him as "Dr." Charles Lilburn Lewis; is there any evidence that he was a doctor?

Was there some reason you didn't mention his Kentucky estate, Rocky Hill?

The flickr item implies that, like Lucy, he was buried at Rocky Hill. However, this may not be solid enough to include.

History, what fun! --MelanieN (talk) 04:00, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Melanie. I'm finding the history behind these article quite interesting. I put in just enough so that the article would pass the relevant notability guidelines, but there is certainly much more that can be added to Charles Lilburn Lewis including the Rocky Hill bit. From what I've come across, I agree that it appears as though Sr and Jr were both colonels. I haven't yet searched for any references to verify the doctor claim. Regarding Lucy Jefferson Lewis and Rocky Hill, there does seem to be conflicting information there. From what I gather, the monument and obelisk are one and the same, are not located at a cemetary, and do not mark Lucy's grave - despite what some sources may state. Using Google and GoogleMaps, I found the location of the monument (and bridge to the south) and am unable to verify the existance of a Rocky Hill cemetary in that area. There are many sources that state she was Pres. Jefferson's only sister; however, authoritative sources state otherwise.

Also, as I alluded to in Talk:Meriwether Lewis, there are a lot of people named Lucy or Charles in the Lewis, Jefferson, and Randolph families, and this certainly doesn't help resolve issues of contradictory information. Given their relationships to one antoher, there are a lot of mildly notable people in these families. I understand the objection to geneaology articles and linking non-notable people, but it sure would be helpful if these families had articles like Kennedy family to keep straight who is who. Thanks for the note! Location (talk) 19:03, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Hello. If you're interested in the history of the Lewis family, have you read Jefferson's Nephews: A Frontier Tragedy by Boynton Merrill, Jr.? If not, I highly recommend. Regards, MarmadukePercy (talk) 05:13, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(people)#Proposed_objective_definition_of_a_fringe_candidate_for_WP:POLITICIAN

Can you chime in here? Bearian (talk) 23:45, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

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AFD

You seen Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A. M. M. Naoshad?♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:19, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but it it won't be safe until somebody does the right thing and withdraws the nomination.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:34, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Benjamin Harrison IV

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Excellent work on Theodorick Bland (judge)

I commend you on your good work in improving this article. Cheers! bd2412 T 14:58, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! There seems to be no definitive biography on him, so piecing together all the information about him feels a bit like conducting "original research". Thanks again! Location (talk) 02:09, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree with bd2412. Nice work on the Bland pieces. Regards, MarmadukePercy (talk) 02:28, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Location (talk) 22:10, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Byrd family of Virginia

I think you redirected that page to itself ... but I got confused. If I deleted the wrong page, please tell me. Thanks, /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 18:54, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I believe I redirected it to Category:Byrd family of Virginia, but there really isn't any problem bypassing that page for now anyway. Location (talk) 04:21, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

• SPeaking of which, will you be renominating the Category:Taliaferro family category and the others in a regular CfD nomination? I'll be removing them from speedy very soon, otherwise.--Mike Selinker (talk) 00:32, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Independent Greens of Virginia

You have a previous edit on this article or its discussion, so FYI: Talk:Independent Greens of Virginia#Material by editor "PonchoChet". Let's try to make the article better. -Colfer2 (talk) 20:20, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Sy Mah

No problem at all! I find the whole battle of women getting into road running in the 1960s/70s really interesting. It shows how much the world has moved on, for the good, in a relatively short space of time. I think stories like those of Wilton and Switzer are also great examples of feminism in action, with both men and women working together to rightly upset the prevailing mindset. Good work! SFB 16:48, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Sy Mah

Thanks for your contribution Victuallers (talk) 03:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Cornelius Dupree

Hello. I updated the reference at the beginning of the lead of the Cornelius Dupree article to address your comment on the DYK nomination page. The article has also since been expanded. Cheers. KimChee (talk) 16:57, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Perpetrators and victims

Thank you for being bold and making changes to the page. I've swapped the opening paragraph for the version in my proposal, though, since it's been up a while and seems to have consensus. I've modified it so that its also about victims, per the talkpage discussion. I think the opening of your version ("For notable criminal acts...") is problematic because the guideline is about determining notability in the first place. Do you get what I mean? In any event, I think the two versions have pretty much the same effect, so hope you'll be okay with that.

I think there are other issues still, so the job is not necessarily done and dusted, but we can continue to discuss that. Cheers. --FormerIP (talk) 03:38, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for the copy editing of Mainstream (Lloyd Cole album) and kind words at DYK. J04n(talk page) 06:23, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, here are the lyrics, cocaine yes, masturbation? I'm not seeing it. Would be an interesting hook though.J04n(talk page) 06:37, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Excellent! There are only two tracks now without sourced information. J04n(talk page) 19:08, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to the library later, I wonder if they have back issues of Musician? J04n(talk page) 19:41, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassadors

Hey, I saw your edits at DYK and clicked over to your user page and was impressed. Have you considering applying to become a Wikipedia:Online Ambassadors? It is a great way to help college students become more familiar with Wikipedia, and make them good long term contributers! Sadads (talk) 19:17, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Gary Fanelli

Orlady (talk) 06:04, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Ikenaka's death

The reason I had 1992 written as a year of Ikenaka's death is because I got this "information" from the Japanese Wikipedia. However, since that foreign article is still a Wikipedia article, it may not be sourced (which it was not). But I will happily look up a valid source to see if 1992 is really the year of Ikenka's death. Oxana879 (talk) 03:43, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! I will make sure to continue to do my best. Oxana879 (talk) 03:56, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

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Bill Loughlin

Very interesting. Baseball-Reference lists Loughlin as having attended Manhattan College, but with no first name. I wonder if Retrosheet is aware of those documents. -Dewelar (talk) 02:27, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: race and sports

Yes it is not good. This is not an extremely difficult article to tackle as sources are not readily available. Also, I would think this article needs to be built up from the foundation - 1933, when the racial barrier went up (of course that's not necessarily true :) ) 66.234.33.8 (talk) 23:41, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Oldest marathoner

Thanks for your well-researched, deft clarification of this topic. Nice job. Hertz1888 (talk) 02:48, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Cheers! Location (talk) 03:02, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Emmanuel Mutai

Thanks for the compliment! It's become a bit of an ongoing project of mine to give a decent treatment of both the top marathoners and the contemporary big names. I've submitted a DYK if you want to review/add any suggestions. Cheers! SFB 17:55, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Bobby Seale

You have given me some good advice on the George Jackson article and I would appreciate you having a look at this: Talk:Bobby Seale, if you dont mind. Thank you, ZHurlihee (talk) 19:45, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Silvana Cruciata

Thanks for the compliment. Sometimes I come across an interesting story by chance when doing the research work on athletes! Pretty much the same thing happened with Ser-Od Bat-Ochir. One man's obscure Asian runner is another man's window into the increasingly global nature of everyday life. Good job on 2011 Boston Marathon by the way. I think it is a really positive thing to make note of both these important happenings at the elite level and the interesting little asides that are part and parcel of the biggest mass races. SFB 22:10, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Newt Gingrich Presidential Campaign

Hi there. I'm the Online Communications Director for Newt Gingrich's campaign. I noticed the section on the Meet the Press interview you posted to the N.G. Presidential campaign page. I thought it was balanced. I am hoping you could provide a similar balance to the entitlement reform section of the Newt Gingrich Political Positions page. If you check the Talk:Political_positions_of_Newt_Gingrich page, you will notice that I posted a note requesting an edit of the entitlement reform section to also reflect Gingrich's explanation. Also, the language used currently ("however") seems inappropriate. Unfortunately there has been no response. Would you mind providing some balance to that section? Thanks. --Joedesantis (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:42, 21 May 2011 (UTC).

reference section

[1] - bots usually take care of the messed up bots tag. I usually give'em a few hours then if they miss something go back and fix it manually. Is it okay if i remove all that junk again?Volunteer Marek (talk) 04:54, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I'll respond on the article's talk page. Thanks! Location (talk) 16:02, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Lynne Stewart

Thanks for trying to bring some balance to this article. Unfortunately your material got deleted by an editor who's been adding highly critical material, some of which has been directly contradicted by its supposed sources. If you can find a decent reference for what you wrote I'll support you. --Simon Speed (talk) 10:58, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I think you meant to address someone else. All I did in that article was de-capitalize a sub-heading per the MOS. Location (talk) 15:01, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry --Simon Speed (talk) 20:22, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

inre Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kwon Hyi-ro

You gave some good advice as to where I might look for coverage, and based upon your guidence I have expanded and better sourced the article in question. I ask that you might revisit Kwon Hyi-ro and and consider moving from "week keep" to just "keep" per the improvements. Thanks, Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:14, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Glad to have helped. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 01:46, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

First Families of Virginia

Thanks for improving the hatnote. Much better. Underdoor (talk) 17:32, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks for taking a look into the matter. I see that an editor you requested look at the matter has agreed with you, but there has been no further comment and no action has been taken on the article itself. Would you be willing to make these updates at your next available opportunity? Thank you, Joedesantis (talk) 15:16, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

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James H. Horne

Nice job expanding James H. Horne. Happy new year and all the best. Jweiss11 (talk) 09:05, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for James H. Horne

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Thanks, and question

Thanks for the compliment re. Chris Cole (politician). Would you say that the article's moved beyond stubhood and merits a "Start" rating? I'm not sure just where the boundary is, and in any case I'm not sure if it's quite proper to rate one's own work. Ammodramus (talk) 22:35, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry. Just saw your note. Yes, I would say at least "start". Location (talk) 19:21, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Adolph Rupp Page

I wanted to alert you of an ongoing situation I am having with another user on the Adolph Rupp page. The situation has been ongoing for a few weeks now. A few weeks ago I went on the Adolph Rupp page to read the history of the coach. I was curious about his past and I did what I usually do to learn about something quickly, I checked his wikipedia page. When I read the page, I found it loaded with points that were not cited, extremely subjective, not in a neutral point of view and just generally slanted towards making the individual looks as good as possible. Many of the points that were cited were cited from a popular UK basketball blog.

I began to make some smaller edits and removing content that was not acceptable to an encyclopedia. Every edit that I made was reverted immediately by the same user. I also attempted to add in a section about some serious violations of NCAA rules that happened when Adolph Rupp was the coach at UK. Essentially, UK basketball was the first school to receive any penalty from the NCAA for rules violations. I added what I thought was a fair and objective section on the event that I cited to a few unbiased sources on the web. My edits were again reverted by the user. He claimed that my edits were not factual and completely inaccurate.

At this point I became frustrated and alerted another editor of this situation. This editor went through and made some changes to the page based on the same issues that I wrote about above, the article was not meeting academic standards at all. He was very helpful and neutral in his edits. However, the user who was reverting all these edits became angry and combative to the changes being made to the page. Eventually, we were able to reach consensus on a few points. However, this user kept changing the page even after we agreed on the edits to be made. He also added all the other sections back in that were not written in a neutral point of view. A few days ago, he made over 45 edits to the page.

This user has a long history of making biased edits to UK basketball pages. He also has a long history of reverting any other edits to the pages that he personally disagrees with. He literally owns the Adolph Rupp page. I have since given up on trying to make the page historically accurate or meet Wikipedia's standards for content. No matter what changes I make or anyone else makes, he will revert them or rewrite them later to suit his own point of view. Why is a user like this still able to make edits to pages on wikipedia?

Leochews (talk) 06:40, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Are those rhetorical questions or is there something you would like me to do? Location (talk) 06:48, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

No, those questions were not meant to be rhetorical. I am seriously curious as to why someone like that could keep editing wikipedia. If you are interested, you can find the discussions we had on someone else's talk page. It starts on the bottom of this page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Moe_Epsilon/Archive_31 and picks back up here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Moe_Epsilon/Archive_32. Leochews (talk) 14:49, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

OK, then. Q: "Why is a user like this still able to make edits to pages on wikipedia?" A: Editors are not banned without some sort of "due process" that hears both sides of a dispute. Q: "Why is a user who has a long history of making biased edits (and other violations that have brought him temporary bans) still able to freely edit wikipedia?" A: Editors are not banned without some sort of "due process" that hears both sides of a dispute. Location (talk) 16:14, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

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Alteration

Re: Gingrich campaign. When and where did I alter your post? If I did it was a mistake, but I don't think I did. ```Buster Seven Talk 05:26, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

I linked to it in the summary: diff. I've already fixed it: diff. Location (talk) 14:47, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories

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David Lifton

Hello Location: I hope you will provide an email address at which I can directly communicate with you concerning the writeup of David Lifton, author of BEST EVIDENCE. I am closely associated with Lifton, who is now 72 years old, and rushing to complete his life's work on the Kennedy assassination with his new book, FINAL CHARADE, which focuses on Lee Oswald. He has been very concerned that the constant editing an re-editing of his entry in Wikipedia has been so severe that the result was a writeup that did not even contain a reasonable or accurate summary of the basic thesis of the book. Please communicate with me via my talk page. Thank you. MardinEden5. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MartinEden5 (talk • contribs) 13:42, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Location: Could you please explain to me why it is that your editing keeps removing from the Wikipedia writeup of David Lifton the central thesis of his work? Do you not think it appropriate that readers of the entry describing him, and his work, should contain a proper--if brief--summary of his work? The central thesis of Lifton's work is that the President's body was altered, prior to autopsy. (By "altered" is meant the removal of bullets from the body, and the changing of the character of the wounds, prior to autopsy). The result (per the central thesis): President Kennedy's body was tantamount to a medical forgery at the time of autopsy--i.e., the autopsy conducted at Bethesda Naval Hospital, outside Washington, D.C., some six hours after the Dallas murder. The result: the written autopsy report relied upon by the Warren Commission was not a reflection of the medical facts at the time of President Kennedy's assassination (at 12:30 PM CST in Dallas) but rather the way the President's body appeared at 8 PM that night, at the Bethesda autopsy. As I assume you are probably aware, the treating physicians in Dallas said that President Kennedy was shot from the front; the Bethesda autopsy said he was shot from behind. Communicating this thesis is central to a proper understanding of Lifton's life work, which was a major national best seller (in 1981) and was published three more times by three different publishers (1982, Dell; 1988, Carroll and Graf; and 1993, New American Library). Please explain what has to be done so as to state the thesis of BEST EVIDENCE, without that material being constantly removed, as if it were somehow in violation of Wikipedia's rules. Surely there is a way of communicating to Wikipedia's readers the central thesis of Lifton's life's work, without having you, or anyone else, constantly editing out the key sentences. Please explain and clarify, so that this problem can be addressed. If you were editing Charles Darwin's "Origin of the Species," would you remove the sections explaining "natural selection"?? This is the sort of problem that seems to be faced here. The word "conspiracy" does not adequately explain what David Lifton's book is about; terminology like "wound alteration" or "body alteration" is necessary. The evidence for these concepts is in the book itself. Please clarify your objections. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MartinEden5 (talk • contribs) 21:17, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps you have not checked your talk page since your last message here. I have indicated on your talk page twice already that the proper place to discuss this issue is Talk:David Lifton. Thank you. Location (talk) 21:22, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 May 24#J. D. Tippit

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RS/N

Your reliable sourcing query has received at least one answer. Apologies for the delay in getting back to you. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:25, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

No need to apologize for anything. Thanks for the feedback! Location (talk) 03:22, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Fetzer Fox News transcripts

Hello! If you're willing to send me your email address, I can send transcripts of the Fetzer segments. I am not willing to post the full transcripts online, as they are copyrighted by Fox. You can email me via this page, and (if you're willing - NO obligation) send your email address so I can send PDFs. Thanks! --Tgeairn (talk) 19:17, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Hold on that, please. I'll comment on the article's talk page. Location (talk) 20:11, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/Disappearance of Robin Graham

Hello. When I commented on this discussion page that the CHP policy for stranded female motorists was changed because of this disappearance you asked if I had a source for this statement. The LA Times reference for this on the Wiki page is behind a Paywall (as are the other Times references.) I went to the Los Angeles Library and purchased a copy of this article. It is now on my website: http://www.TheZodiacMansonConnection.com/victim_graham.html. It states the changes that were implemented and gives the reason for the change as being the Graham disappearance. I also put up an article from the San Mateo, California The Times of the same date that also states that CHP change and the similarities of other murders in the same area in a two year window around the Graham disappearance. (These are also related to on my website.) This article was obtained from NewspaperArchive.com. By the time I had gotten these articles on my site and was going to answer your question on the discussion page it had been archived. So I am telling you about it here. TZMC (talk) 04:58, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. I actually saw your comments on the talk page earlier. Cheers! Location (talk) 05:59, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Would it be alright if I changed the referral link for the CHP change to my webpage? (That is if the page doesn't get deleted.) There is already a link to a newspaper article on my site from the Wiki page on Laurence Merrick, who ran an Academy of Dramatic Arts that Sharon Tate, murdered by the Manson Family, attended. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Merrick. (I get many hits on my site every month from this link.) My webpage is http://www.TheZodiacMansonConnection.com/crockett_merrick.html. He made a movie about the Manson Family and a few years later he was shot to death at his school. And there are links to four different pages on my site from Wikipedia, Finland. TZMC (talk) 10:30, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

While I like to see the actual text myself, placing the article on your website and linking to it - instead of linking to an authorized source for archiving - may violate various copyright policies. For example, my understanding is that the Merrick information should link to http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ka1VAAAAIBAJ&sjid=KuADAAAAIBAJ&pg=6700%2C6458333. I would ask for clarification from an admin or one of the relevant copyright pages. It's still valid to cite the paper even though not all readers may be able to directly or quickly access it. Location (talk) 12:27, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Groden

"where the Dallas City Code does not permit merchandise to be sold within areas under the control of the its [sic] Park and Recreation Department"? Maybe it should be, "...as the Dallas City Code does not permit merchandise to be sold in that area, which is under the control of its Park and Recreation Department".--andreasegde (talk) 20:23, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm OK with that. Cheers! Location (talk) 20:24, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Format copy/pasting

Hi Location - thanks for starting to sort this out. I had noticed but I'm spending most of my time watching rather than editing! SFB 20:05, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Enjoy! The U.S. coverage is quite awful. Location (talk) 20:09, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Source

You added information from a source, and provided inline citations: [2] but not the actual source itself. IRWolfie- (talk) 21:54, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Mosedale (page 1) is currently citation #3 in the article.[3] The article is eight pages long, so I employed shortened footnotes (WP:SFN) for pages two and three to make it easier for people to find the exact page. I would prefer to have a diversity of sources for the subject's background information, however, I thought this would be preferable to the primary source of a CV. Location (talk) 22:06, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

The article is from 2006, but the citations say 2007. Usaully the blue is also meant to redirect to the citation, see Template:Sfn for more details. IRWolfie- (talk) 14:20, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

I didn't even see that the date was off. I've corrected it, now the redirect works. Thanks! Location (talk) 14:29, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

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Chavis Carter

I was wondering if you would consider reviewing your !Vote on the Chavis Carter article. obviously the article is in a poor state and needs improvement, but I am loath to take the time if it is all just going to be deleted shortly. In the time since your !vote, there has been a lot of further coverage, across the country, and in several international locataions as well (Canada, 2xUK, Australia, etc) Thanks for your time. Gaijin42 (talk) 19:41, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

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Hi

See here for clarification. Libro0 (talk) 02:14, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Another barnstar for you!

Thank you for your work combating fringe theories on Wikipedia! Cheers,TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 10:01, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Location (talk) 02:55, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Veterans Today

Your eye could be useful here as well: Veterans Today. Cheers. Plot Spoiler (talk) 02:30, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Another Afd?

Ismail Salami - another Veterans Today contributor that doesn't seem to fulfill notability criteria. Plot Spoiler (talk) 07:13, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Also Habilian Association. Plot Spoiler (talk) 07:16, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Please stop trying to delete organizations and individuals who are "not notable" primarily because they are promoted primarily by media outlets controlled by governments such as Iran which some believe promote offensive conspiracy theories. Wikipedia does not delete notable individuals simply because the promote the views of governments such as National Socialist Germany, communist Russia's TASS, or even the GW Bush adminstration which some believe to be offensive propoganda, indeed they are even more notable if they are promoting propoganda as long as the article does not itself promote such views. The Habilian Association is mentioned in thousands of internet articles by many different organizations, but most of them are aligned with Iran or allied movements, which should make it notable. Any individual or group sanctioned or mentioned by a government or government approved news agency should be notable. Wikipedia routinely tries to delete every terrorist or mass murder suspect or victim with global mainstream media coverage on the basis of notability, but this is not constructive. Redhanker (talk) 05:34, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

I assume that you are attempting to talk to Plot Spoiler since I have not edited in that article. You may want to bring this up on his/her talk page and not mine. Location (talk) 05:38, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

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Docs

I started gathering sources for those articles, see here. See if it anyhow helps! --Tito Dutta (talk) 16:08, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Or if you want any article from JSTOR, I can send it to you! --Tito Dutta (talk) 16:09, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

It appears as though I'm not authorized to access that. Are you able to list a couple sources that you think are most relevant? My hope is to get an acceptable start-class article up and let the interested editors work by consensus to add on to it with other secondary and even acceptable primary sources. Location (talk) 17:06, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I have changed privacy. here. If you want any article from JSTOR, I can add it here! --Tito Dutta (talk) 17:11, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I've added a bit from David Skrbina's review to the draft. I'll have to take a closer look at Crovetto. Similarly titled, it appears to be a slightly different version of the article already cited. Location (talk) 17:40, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: Opinion!

No, it looks good! Right now I was reading this article. Too good! See the see also recommendations too! --Tito Dutta (talk) 04:59, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

ROFL! Location (talk) 05:06, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

You may find some content...

.. here too! Sohail Inayatullah is a notable writer! --Tito Dutta (talk) 07:50, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

I've about done all I am going to do on this. This subject doesn't interest me, it's not a nice environment to work in, and it's taking time from other things that I am interested in. I will soon propose that the draft take the place of the current article as I believe it serves as a good foundation. If others wish to add sources that are more closely linked with the subject, I'll let them make their proposals on the Talk page to achieve consensus. Location (talk) 15:11, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

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Fetzer

Hi, thanks for fixing my careless error at James H. Fetzer. I really should have looked at the references before copying the material over from 9/11 Truth movement. Do you happen to know if there a reason why it is found in that article but not this one? If there hasn't been a compelling reason or community discussion confirming its existence in that article, I don't see any reason to keep it there either. Some guy (talk) 05:03, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the note! In James H. Fetzer, there has been a lot activity on the part of pro- and anti-Fetzer editors (and Fetzer himself) to insert primary source material to lead the article in one direction or the other. This is particularly problematic in the case of Fetzer in that he has opinions on everything. There is an unofficial consensus there that it is best to discuss his views that have been discussed in reliable secondary sources. If you see something in 9/11 Truth movement that is problematic (e.g. undue sourcing of a section to primary or biased sources), I would bring it up on the talk page or take it to WP:RSN. You could try to remove material and/or sources, but you might face some opposition on this if the material is long-standing. Location (talk) 19:14, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Progressive utilization theory

FYI: Per your previous involvement in the discussion, I thought you might be interested in commenting in Talk:Progressive utilization theory#Proposal to replace current content. Thanks! Location (talk) 22:56, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

• Hey Location, I didn't have time until now. But today, I'm going to get involved with it. Thanks for the reminder. --Universal Life (talk) 09:39, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Reply: New proposal

Yes, I saw that proposal! --Tito Dutta (talk) 04:39, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Your neutrality is to be commended, but I was wondering if you intend to make any specific recommendations on how to address the gridlock in PROUT? If the idea is to simply request temporary protection again, please note that the previous edit war involved two editors whose behavior, if repeated, should be addressed through blocks. 19:48, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Crime victims and perpetrators

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SPA tag

The spa tag for User:DezDeMonaaa is legitimate in that this is a new user whose first Wikipedia edit was in a a recent Afd. Your edit summary stating "[T]his is not the place to discuss accusations" is both accurate and ironic. Accurate in that it is true, and ironic that you have shown no interest in reigning in the accusations coming from your voting block. The tag is only a notice so that the user's editing history, which may reflect bias or lack of knowledge of Wikipedia policies and guidelines, is considered in closing. Location (talk) 16:01, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

• First of all, I do not have any voting block! I do not take parts in WP. I do what I deem is the best for its improvement. Secondly, is your SPA tag, for DezDeMonaaa, without signature on purpose? --Universal Life (talk) 16:18, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

long-distance running

Great! We can finally write a decent article on long-distance as a whole! Now to find the time to do it.... SFB 20:42, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

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Edit on Nicoli Nattrass

Hi, I noticed you removed an entire paragraph in the article Nicoli Nattrass, which referenced an article of Nattrass's analysis in AIDS denialism. I would like to discuss it in the article talk page so to help to understand your edit rationale better. Thank you.Ginger Maine Coon (talk) 21:29, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Sure. Post your question and I'll answer. WP:PRIMARY is likely the relevant guideline, so you may want to review it in advance. Location (talk) 22:12, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Uncollpase

I see your point, but at the same time I also see no benefit to the discussion by leaving the sniping (of which I'm involved) out in the open, rather it is a distraction. Feel free to restore the collpase if you agree, unless of course you consider yourself involved at this point.  little green rosetta(talk)
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Unless involved editors take a step back to cool off and let uninvolved editors help, I am going to recommend that an administrator close that discussion and advise editors take this back to Talk:Maafa 21. Location (talk) 18:04, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, the collpase was intended to cool things off. Throwing this back to the talk page will probably not help much unless an RfC were started.  little green rosetta(talk)
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NPOV/N is to obtain the input from uninvolved editors. You guys might as well be on the article's talk page. Location (talk) 18:09, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

If this gets kicked back to the talk page then we will have to use some other form of DR. Thanks.  little green rosetta(talk)
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Frankly, as an uninvolved editor, not one of your comments there has been useful to be in working out a resolution to the issue. I don't know if you have any history with Viriditas, but his/her calling him/her a hypocrite and a troll was certainly not warranted. He/she is correct that your remarks have been generally inflammatory and that is not very helpful in DR. Location (talk) 16:26, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm certain it appears that way with Viridatas, and I could point you to said hypocrisy if it mattered but I suspect it doesn't. Not one of my comments have been useful? I disagree, but would like to see this issue resolved so ill keep your comment in mind.  little green rosetta(talk)
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Re: Maafa 21

Wondering if you noticed my response to your suggested wording? –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:55, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

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Article Feedback deployment

Hey Location; I'm dropping you this note because you've used the article feedback tool in the last month or so. On Thursday and Friday the tool will be down for a major deployment; it should be up by Saturday, failing anything going wrong, and by Monday if something does :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:19, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

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Leaving a talkback, scene that page has so many deductions that a post at another one might make mine not appear on your watchlist. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 23:05, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

I apologized to Tokyogirl79

I wanted to let you know that I have apologized to Tokyogirl79 for suggesting that she was perhaps not acting in good faith. Unfortunately, she made some undeniable mistakes on her talk page regarding the proposed deletion of the Camille and Kennerly Kitt article which made her look suspicious to both Robcamstone (talk) and myself; however, we all make mistakes. Anyway, it is very clear to me now that she is an honest Wikipedian. I truly wish that only administrators had the authority to propose articles for deletion because a lot of disagreeable experiences would not occur that way. The page in question has been around since December 2011, and since then it has only improved, and it had never been considered for deletion. It's just not right to potentially allow random haters to try to tear down what has taken us many hundreds of hours to build. Regards... Dontreader (talk) 00:45, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. For the record, I do not agree with you that Tokyogirl79 made any improper edits in Camille and Kennerly Kitt or Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camille and Kennerly Kitt. It is not unusual for inexperienced editors, like Knowtheory, to have trouble formatting an Afd discussion. It is also not unusual for experienced editors, like Tokyogirl79, to fix those attempts. The contribution histories suggest that Knowtheory was attempting to send the article through the normal Afd process (diff, diff, diff) but placed the wrong tag on the article (diff). Tokyogirl79's edits were "standard operating procedure" for rectifying those kinds of mistakes. Still, I can understand the frustration you might have with all of this after investing a lot of time in an article. Location (talk) 04:16, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Courtesy notice

I've mentioned your name at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Joe McCarthy.3BMcCarthy Army hearings. Acroterion (talk) 18:14, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll make a brief statement there. Location (talk) 20:15, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

It closed before I could post. Oh, well. Location (talk) 20:52, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Transporterman appears to have correctly sussed the issues in any case. Acroterion (talk) 21:27, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

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DYK nomination

Hi Location, there's a minor tweak that needs to be made to the hook for me to pass your current nomination. If you don't agree with the suggested adjustment, let me know. If not, I'll just make the adjustment myself and pass the article. Everything else regarding the nomination is fine. cheers, --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:28, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Earl Rose (coroner)

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Deletion discussion about Paul Kevin Curtis

Hello Location,

I wanted to let you know that I've asked for a deletion discussion about the redirect Paul Kevin Curtis. If you're interested in participating in this discussion, please leave your comments here Thanks, polarscribe (talk) 22:32, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the courtesty notice! Location (talk) 22:35, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

IAAF Contact

I am (pleasantly) surprised to see you have successfully improved IAAF's mistakes. I have found the opposite response, as in, I feel like I throw my information into a black hole where it never again sees the light of day. In other words, their communication has been less than responsive. Maybe its me. My last successful communication with them, many years ago, was over an incredibly late payment for work I did for them. Please let me know who or how you have successfully contacted them regarding errors and anomalies. Trackinfo (talk) 18:19, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

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Could you please also add a link to Ella German on the Lee Harvey Oswald page, using one of your references? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 00:18, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Certainly! Thanks again! Location (talk) 01:29, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Re: Courtesy notice

Hi Location. Wow,a 5-year-old added reference??? no memory where I found that series mentioned. Possibly by title and thought someone might find it useful.
Checking citation reliability is a certainly worthy pursuit. However, Fortean Times calling him a scribbler is hardly a stain on how scholarly he is. A holocaust-denialist is hardly in a position to smear anyone else either. Your sources of muck seem no more reliable than those you attribute to Douglas. Sorry, don't want to play - The End Twang (talk) 20:37, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

You missed the larger point, which is not that those sources are reliable for Wikipedia purposes, but rather that even the weirdos view the person named as "Douglas" a fabricator of information. I was only looking for some feedback, so I'm sorry that you took it some other way. Location (talk) 21:07, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Ella German

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Greetings Location. I apologize for moving your comment at Talk:Autism Research Institute. I thought it would help move the discussion forward and was within WP:RTP guidelines. I am not a big fan of RTP and respect your concern that your comments remain as you placed them. I will not move your comments at any time in the future (except in archiving and then only via Bot) and I apologize for doing so. Best. - - MrBill3 (talk) 03:06, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

The legal threat at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dave vonKleist against me

Took it to ANI, not a nice guy our Starman Dougweller (talk) 06:28, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Reverted edit on Operation Mockingbird page

I had added a 'see also' link to Anderson Cooper's page. Cooper freely admits that he worked as a CIA intern before becoming a journalist. The Wikipedia page on Cooper also claims that he has no training as a journalist. For these reasons a link to his page may be of interest to those who browse the Operation Mockingbird page. In other words, it is something that users may like to 'see also'. If you have some objection to this or a justification for reverting that edit, I would appreciate it if you would offer those reasons here. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.252.96.16 (talk • contribs) 05:38, 15 August 2014‎ (UTC)

We don't place Anderson Cooper in the "See also" section of Operation Mockingbird for the same reason we don't place Anderson Cooper in the "See also" section of Waiter: [4]. -Location (talk) 06:12, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to reply. I think we can both agree that nobody cares about his job as a waiter. However, people interested in the topic of Operation Mockingbird may find his collaboration with intelligence services interesting. If he were a renowned publisher of books on waitstaff etiquette, perhaps a similar 'see also' link on the waiter page would be relevant. As it stands, he is one of the top talking heads on television. Hopefully you can appreciate this distinction. Thanks again.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.252.96.16 (talk • contribs) 11:10, 15 August 2014‎ (UTC)

Cooper was not a journalist during his internship and there is no evidence to suggest that he did anything more than paper pushing, so the assertion that he was a journalist who collaborated with intelligent services is a false premise. Regina Benjamin is a physician who also worked as a CIA intern while she was a college student. Should her article be linked in Project MKUltra? Some people are so intrigued by the CIA that they find every tenuous link to it interesting, but that does not mean we make all those links in Wikipedia. Location (talk) 15:25, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Again, I appreciate you taking the time to engage with me here. Cooper is a journalist in a very loose sense of the term. Cooper has worked for the CIA. Therefore Cooper is a journalist who has worked with the CIA. Is he collaborating with them currently? I can not make that assertion. However it is an interesting link that users may like to 'see also'.

In the case of your analogies, you again present a false equivalency. Regina is not advocating for people to drop acid (to my knowledge) and has no relevant connection to MKUltra. Whereas Anderson is a TV personality who parrots Pentagon positions on a network that commonly advances narratives which are of the same. The content of the Operation Mockingbird article speaks of journalists who advance narratives that benefit the state. I hope you can appreciate the distinction between Regina & MKUltra and Anderson & Operation Mockingbird. While one would surely be irrelevant, the other has a relationship. In the interest of the user's browsing pleasure I feel a 'see also' link may be warranted. If the user feels that the connection is spurious, he is free to examine the source material referenced and decide for himself. A 'see also' link does not accuse Anderson, but offers a link that users may like to 'see also'. Thanks again for the courteous discourse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.252.96.16 (talk • contribs) 04:17, 16 August 2014‎

You assert that there is a relationship between Cooper and the CIA because he "is TV personality who parrots Pentagon positions on a network that commonly advances narratives which are of the same." If this is the foundation of your argument — that Cooper or CNN are collaborating with or being manipulated by the Pentagon — then I don't see it. You would certainly need to demonstrate this connection with reliable sourcing for its inclusion in Wikipedia. I think you are more likely to get satisfaction if more editors were involved outside of my talk page. To obtain additional feedback, it's probably better to post your concerns in Talk:Operation Mockingbird, Talk:Anderson Cooper, or even Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard. Remember to sign and date your posts by typing four tildes. (Location (talk) 16:05, 16 August 2014 (UTC)).

Notability rewrite

I've place a first cut of the rewrite here. You can get a quick sense of what was changed in this diff. I obviously didn't change the templates and shortcuts and what-not. I'd like some help hammering down the language to use as "notable" is a bit more grammatically handy than "inclusion". Feel free to make edits to that page or just tell me what you think I should to. Protonk (talk) 17:24, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

I've been out of town so it may take me awhile to catch up. Thanks for the note! - Location (talk) 00:14, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Gregg York

I have reverted your removal of referenced content in three articles (Fred Hampton, COINTELPRO, and Federal Bureau of Investigation). If you don't like the content, I don't know what to tell you but it was referenced. Here is another which mentions Agent York Philadelphia magazine. Helpsome (talk) 14:46, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the courtesy of an explanation. I do not add or remove content on the basis of whether I like it or not. In this particular case, the presentation of the quote states as fact that someone named Gregg York actually stated: "We expected about twenty Panthers to be in the apartment when the police raided the place. Only two of those black nigger fuckers were killed, Fred Hampton and Mark Clark". Fact-checking this statement, I found that M. Wesley Swearigen said that there was an FBI agent who said that (i.e. it is hearsay). As I indicated in the edit summary, much has been written about Hampton and there is no evidence that an FBI agent named Gregg York played a role in his death or actually existed. - Location (talk) 18:55, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

With all due respect, you might question the validity of the comment but it is referenced. If you want to call M. Wesley Swearingen a liar and claim it isn't a reliable source, please take it to WP:RSN. Helpsome (talk) 19:44, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

You need to check your premises with these if-then statements. I did not call Swearingen a liar. I am, however, fully aware of my options to challenge a source or the misapplication of that source if or when the need or desire should arise. - Location (talk) 20:09, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

M. Wesley Swearigen quoted an agent Gregg York. You are claiming that Gregg York doesn't exist. If M. Wesley Swearigen quoted a non-existent person, how would that not be lying? Helpsome (talk) 22:15, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Check your premises again. I did not claim that Gregg York doesn't exist. Maybe he does; maybe he doesn't. Swearingen could be telling the truth; he could be lying; he could be mistaken; he could be using a pseudonym. Either way, the material you've restored gives an inordinate amount of weight to what is at best hearsay about a low-profile individual. And to use the material, particularly without in-text attribution in a section with a headline-type quote, is unnecessary sensationalism. - Location (talk) 01:25, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

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Ike Altgens GAN

This review was begun on 10 December; it's been 17 days. Nearly 200 revisions to the article have been made in the interim. WP:SYNTH is no longer an issue. WP:FRINGE was only so because the controversy surrounding Altgens #6 lay mostly on the fringe; the article never lent credence to any theory (at least, not after I got back in). WP:NPOV is no longer an issue; no theory of any kind is even mentioned, only observations and "controversy" that now are as strongly documented as mainstream ignorance will allow. Only WP:DUE remains wherein, once again, the controversy is now unquestionable in the main, and the update by Marrs is not undue in the context. (That Marrs is an award-winning journalist who now lives on the fringe does not detract from the fact that he is an award-winning journalist. )

I've worked on this article on and off for years. When it's a Good Article, that's not going to stop. (Frankly, I think it's FA-worthy, but I swore I'd never go through that again when the nom died on the vine.)

Two other editors have recommended that this article pass. If I'm correctly reading the GA process, that's on you as its original reviewer. Am I out of line to wonder why I'm still waiting? —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 04:09, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Re: WP:SYNTH. There appear to be a number of primary source citations that are used to draw attention to points not explicitly discussed in mainstream sources. This could be a WP:OR violation. As I alluded to before, I'll have to look at it a bit more closely when I have time. - Location (talk) 04:19, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

If I may press [grin], the issue is WP:GA?. If it passes now, pass it now. We'll continue to work on it. —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 04:23, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

WP:SYNTH is a violation of the GA criteria (#2). - Location (talk) 04:32, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, 2b mentions "controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged," but your (with all respect) generic "appear to be" and "could be" above do not stand on their own as reasons to not promote. Again, I'm compelled to argue for promotion per WP:GA? as the article stands, even if no improvement were to follow. —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 04:43, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Argue all you want, but I'll point out some of the issues when I have more time. I don't know about you, but I am in the midst of a holiday spending a bit more time with my family. You are quickly burning through any goodwill that I may have to give. - Location (talk) 06:46, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

And please confine your comments regarding this subject to the article's talk page. It is on my watchlist. - Location (talk) 06:48, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm widowed, kids grown and gone, living with and caring for an elderly relative, damned lucky to have a job that allows me to work online, whose hobbies are confined to that which is broadcast and/or online, who watched a Featured Article candidacy die unceremoniously, and who waits on a Good Article candidacy because there "appear to be" more issues. I apologize for my frustration and/or impatience. —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 07:28, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Season's greetings! I hope you enjoy your holiday. Best. - - MrBill3 (talk) 02:50, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

I wanted to express my appreciation for all your work on the review of this article. Your detailed comments have taught me about maintaining NPOV, not over presenting FRINGE, understanding SYNTH, and quality encyclopedic writing. - - MrBill3 (talk) 06:07, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks again for your hard work on this article! —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 22:08, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Watergate burglaries

Regarding your WP:NORN question, if you were personally interested in working on this topic I would recommend starting over fresh, abandoning all the previous work because of its basis in original research. Binksternet (talk) 20:25, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Binksternet, thanks for the note. I've been bouncing back and forth at work today, but I did see earlier that you had commented in the OR noticeboard. I agree with you and will try to find the time to comment there later. Thanks! - Location (talk) 21:14, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

FYI

Acroterion: I have found some overlap in a couple different articles that suggests that 92.23.75.195, 84.13.159.6, and 84.13.147.178 are the same editor as 92.15.154.130 whom you blocked earlier in the year. I'm not sure if there is anything to do about this, but let me know if you need more info. - Location (talk) 21:39, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

If you're not completely sick of me ...

Would the almost-certainly much-easier Clint Grant GAN be something that would strike your fancy? —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 02:49, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

I'll take that as a no ... —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 19:22, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back! That was quite the sabbatical ... —ATinySliver/^ATalkPage 09:34, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

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AW Hill

Hi Location, I'm curious what you think should be done about the A.W. Hill article since all the duplicate articles (Andy Hill (music supervisor), Andy Hill (music producer), Andy Hill (Film Music Supervisor) have been deleted. Does the AfD for Andy Hill (music supervisor) carry any weight in our decision? My instinct is to AfD this older article. I don't see anything at Google News, and there doesn't seem to be anything about him at Google Books. One book review is listed in the article as a reference, but this hardly a notable author makes. I don't think he qualifies as notable as an educator, as he is described as an adjunct faculty member for what does not appear to be a major educational institution. ? The article has been up for 5 years, so I guess he's had a good run here. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:26, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

I agree. While there is a bit of coverage in reliable sources, I don't think it is sufficient to pass WP:AUTHOR. BTW, I suspect that User:Derwydd23 and User:Ghostrider51 are likely one in the same. Also see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philby Greenstreet. - Location (talk) 18:52, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: It appears as though this has been addressed while I was away. FYI: I recently merged A.W. Hill to Andy Hill (American music producer), but there is a lot of clean-up still required. Cheers! - Location (talk) 01:33, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeppers. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:34, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Discussion of A.W. Hill Deletion

Hello, Location et al. I seem to be getting a crash course in Wikispeak, and I applaud the (relative) transparency of your decision-making process, though it does sometimes strike me as a little arbitrary. It's odd to listen in on a group of people whose identities are deliberately concealed, and among whom there may be none who've written a book, composed a piece of music, advanced a piece of legislation, or even parented a child, discussing in the most authoritative tones the merits or accomplishments of a biographical subject, and often belittling or deriding his or her accomplishments. Please explain why you've chosen to delete my article, and do me the courtesy of being specific. "Google Books" and "Google News" are not the be-all and end-all of sources for a writer's legitimacy. Do your sources of verification go beyond Google? Beyond the web? Here, for your reference, is the publisher listing for A.W. Hill: http://counterpointpress.com/authors/a-w-hill/. A search will also lead you to a number of extant reviews of each of his three published books. As for Philby Greenstreet, well, you might be very surprised to learn who he is. Good luck in ferreting out the impostors! Derwydd23 Derwydd23 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:30, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Per WP:BEFORE, prior to nominating an article for deletion, a user should perform a basic due diligence to check notability. The minimum requirement is that editors check Google Books and Google News. And anticipating your reply, the onus is on you, the contributor, to properly establish the subject's notability. Since the bulk of this discussion appears on Fuhghettaboutit's talk page, that is where my more detailed reply will be. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:51, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Cyphoidbomb (I had to look that up). I will indeed do my due diligence. Happy New Year. Ghostrider51 (talk)

Cheers!

Thank you very much for your advice over here. I've requested help from the relevant project. Apologies for the delay in replying ... and Happy New Year! LÒÓkingYourBest(Talk|Edits) 18:29, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Global account

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Louis Jolyon West

Hello!

I reverted your edit to Louis Jolyon West as it appears that you (possibly inadvertently) restored an earlier revision of the article. I couldn't tell from the edit summary ("bare ref") what your intent was. I'll watch the article talk page if you have anything to bring up there. Thanks and cheers! Tgeairn (talk) 03:52, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

The reversion was inadvertent. My bad. I also intended to add a url as a citation with the intent of coming back to it, however, it already is cited properly in the article. Thanks for catching it! - Location (talk) 04:10, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

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Reliable sources/Noticeboard

Hi, I notice you added a new section to this Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Attributed_statement_sourced_by_RT_news_article discussion at WP:RSN. I like to keep that discussion as clean as possible to close it formally. Can you move the "RT in CIA–al-Qaeda controversy" question to a new post? Erlbaeko (talk) 21:03, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

No worries. I moved it for you. Erlbaeko (talk) 21:14, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

@Erlbaeko: Sounds good. Thanks! - Location (talk) 00:03, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

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Why did you start the RfC on Talk:Amy Hughes, the debate you're trying to have is about Marathon#Multiple marathons, so why isn't the RfC there? I specifically made sure that Amy Hughes didn't say she broke the record, as reliable sources didn't confirm this. Having an RfC on Talk:Amy Hughes seems silly, as it should be at Talk:Marathon instead, as that's where the issue is, and more people will be watching that page. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:36, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

My mistake, the first sentence did say she broke the world record, I removed it now (since I intended the article not to say that). Is there an actual need for an RfC, if she doesn't claim to be the record-holder? Joseph2302 (talk) 15:46, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

David Paul Kuhn

Thank you for jumping in at David Paul Kuhn. I'm still attempting to remove promotional material (most recently, a link to the author's Amazon sales page) from the article and would appreciate your continued assistance. Thanks. Safehaven86 (talk) 19:51, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for FBI reference

I looked for just about....45 minutes, with different search parameters... Thanks for so quickly finding this! Awesome. Cityside189 (talk) 16:01, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

I had difficulty finding it, too. I'll come back some other time to clean up the format for the references. Cheers! - Location (talk) 20:54, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

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Help finding a reference?

Hello user:location, i joined you briefly on a Federal Bureau of Investigation edit... thanks for that. I'm helping to edit an article Planned Parenthood and m trying to find a legal reference. Where would you point me to help look for a source document on a 1918 ruling of a NY State appellate court decision upholding Margaret Sanger's earlier conviction, but which opened the door for doctors to hand out prescription birth control? The references I have are vague:

"....Sanger appealed her conviction, at the same time appealing for a doctor's right to dispense advice about birth control methods. She lost her appeal, but the New York appellate court gave doctors the right to hand out contraceptive information, if prescribed for medical reasons. -AND- , ".....Sanger appealed, but her conviction was upheld. Nevertheless, the state appellate court's 1918 decision interpreted the prohibitory statute broadly enough to allow physicians to prescribe birth control to women when medically indicated"

Thanks, I would appreciate any help, direction? --Cityside189 (talk) 23:46, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

@Cityside189: I'm not an attorney nor am I that familiar with the various issues or legal issues related to abortion, contraception, etc. You may want to search something like "New York v Sanger" or "People v Sanger". Hope this helps! - Location (talk) 00:57, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks Location, you helped a lot. I found what I was looking for... I didn't want to place you on the spot but was amazed when you pulled out that other reference... thanks for being open to communication and I hope to see you around the 'pedia.. --Cityside189 (talk) 01:31, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Mind Control - MKUltra video

Hello, the source you quoted is a letter to the editor, it is not reliable. The national archives, states that this particular film was created by the Department of Justice's Drug Enforcement Administration and therefore is in the public domain per 17 U.S.C. § 105.XavierGreen (talk) 13:33, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Link please. The video itself states that ABC's Paul Altmeyer was the producer/writer as do reliable secondary sources (e.g https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19790710&id=9HRhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HO4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5847,4797463&hl=en). - Location (talk) 13:43, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

First of all, what does it matter what the copyright status of the work is so long as the host, youtube, is hosting it, they obviously think its ok or have liscencing for it. Its not being hosted on wikipedia, so copyright doesn't matter. Since its an external link, there is no liability on wikipedia's end either way. Secondly, its clearly marked as being created by the DEA. While ABC was involved in its production, it seems likely to me given what is there that it was funded by the DEA, see here https://catalog.archives.gov/id/37950?q=Mind%20Control.XavierGreen (talk) 13:54, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I, too, found it at https://research.archives.gov/id/37950 which is essentially the same link. YouTube links that violate WP:COPYVIO are routinely removed from Wikipedia; WP:YOUTUBE is relevant. In this case, it seems you are correct that this is in the public domain even though it is clearly an ABC production. I may inquire elsewhere about why this is. - Location (talk) 14:01, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

@Hammersoft: I always come to you when I have questions regarding potential copyright violations for images, however, this one relates to a link to a YouTube video. XavierGreen has pointed out that the National Archives appears to have released an ABC News report into the public domain, thus we are free to use a YouTube link with that video in Project MKUltra. (One can also purchase a DVD through the Amazon link noted on the National Archives page.) The National Archives link indicates the work's creator to be "Department of Justice. Drug Enforcement Administration." but I assume that this might be the entity from which the Archives received their copy. There is no evidence in the report or reliable secondary source coverage that this report was actually created by or funded by the DEA. I am wondering if you might be able to provide some insight here on how a television report by a private entity makes it way into the public domain. Thanks! - Location (talk) 15:30, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

• Without a specific release, it doesn't. Ok, there's several issues at play here. One, it is possible for a creative work to have rights held by multiple entities. This appears to be the case here. There's the governmental agency and there's ABC. In the former case, we can safely presume the do not sustain copyrights on the work, as it is a work of a governmental agency. In the latter case, we do not know. And there's the rub. [5] indicates that access restrictions are unrestricted. This is not the same as waiving copyright or releasing under a free license. Further, the use restrictions are "undetermined". Could we make a copy of this and sell it? Probably not, especially given there is a monetary interest as represented by the Amazon sale. Since we don't know with certainty what the copyright status of the work is and whether ABC has released rights or not, then we have to presume ABC has and maintains rights over the work, regardless of the government's interest in the work. Both have to have rights released. As to it being ok because it's on YouTube and YouTube checks stuff...no. YouTube is user contributed content, and is rife with copyright violations. They take them down when they receive takedown notices, but copyright violations can and do sustain for a long, long time. Unless we can prove this work is available under a free license, or posted by the government and/or ABC, then we can not link to it. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:48, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

I would note that the National Archives made an agreement with Amazon to allow individuals to purchase DVDs of National Archives material through Amazon.com. The Federal Government has no monetary interest in the sale of any of its material, other than covering the cost of the issuance of such materials, which it releases for the convienence of individuals interested in it, not for any objective of monetary gain. Case in point - the national archives allows anyone to download this video off their website free of charge.XavierGreen (talk) 16:34, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Furthermore, the National Archives webpage on the video in question clearly states that anyone may make copies of a DVD held on file at the archives. As the Archives allows free dispersal of the work in question, i see no problems posting a link to that work here.XavierGreen (talk) 16:42, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

• Still no verifiable assertion that ABC has released their rights to the work, nor has the archives made any claim of free license. Equivocal cases like this default to presumption of non-free. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:22, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't believe that there is no verifiable assertation that ABC released there rights is relevant. When looking at the policy against linking is in effect when, " [there is] reason to believe that a website has a copy of a work in violation of its copyright", we do not have reason to believe that is the case here. In fact we have as i have indicated above every reason to indicate that that is not the case. Given that the government itself freely distributes the work in a variety of mediums without any deference to any rights ABC might have, it is clear that in the governments eyes that ABC no longer has any viable collateral rights to the material. Given that, there is no reason to believe otherwise.XavierGreen (talk) 17:46, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

• Free distribution does not equate to freely licensed. Please see Gratis versus libre. Copyrights can and have been violated even with something that is freely distributed. As for "do not have reason to believe" it is copyrighted, again it's the reverse case. We do not have reason to believe it is free licensed or public domain. The only assertion about that which is valid is the government's rights. There is no assertion anywhere that ABC has released their rights. Look at 58:32. ABC certainly seems to think it's copyrighted, as they have marked it as such. Further, look at 58:20 of the video. There are photographs in use in the image which are copyrighted to a third party. I'm sorry, but we have to presume this media is not available as public domain or under a free license. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:59, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

I disagree, all the screenshots you've linked to indicate are that ABC attempted to claim rights when it was first published in the 1970's, no where is there an indication that it is still the case. In fact the governments unrestricted distribution of the work indicates that ABC has abandoned any residual copyright claims it may have had, and through its acqueisence it would be estopped from attempting to reactivate any such claim. In fact, ABC has donated large amounts of material to the National Archvies that is now in public domain, see here for example: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/768?q=*:* XavierGreen (talk) 19:14, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

• Your are of course welcome to disagree. But, even if ABC did donate their work to the archives (and there's no proof they donated this particular work), there's still the issue of the third party copyright. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:26, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

I do find it strange that the government without ABC's permission would allow unrestricted access to ABC's work and allow DVDs of it to be purchased or even copied free of charge. This seems to be a contradiction in labeling the use restrictions as "Undetermined". The NARA does state: "We do have some donated or other materials that might be copyrighted."[6] - Location (talk) 20:07, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

The National Archives regularly lists many works that are indisputably in the public domain as having an "undetermined" or even "restricted-possibly" use restriction. For example it is well sourced and indisputable that Frank Capra's Why We Fight series of films are in the public domain, yet if you take a look at the national archives pages for parts of the series, it says use "restricted-possibly" which is a completle joke as the films were produced entirely by army personel, who were paid by the army, and were working for the army when they made the films. Frank Capra was an army officer when he produced them for the government! See for instance here: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/36068?q=why%20we%20fightXavierGreen (talk) 20:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Sure, but Capra was a government employee; Paul Altmeyer was not. - Location (talk) 20:51, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Here is a more relevant example then. The entire catalog of Universal Newsreel was donated in the 1970's to the National Archives, which had the legal effect of releasing the entire catalog into the public domain. The fact that all Universal Newsreels are in the public domain is a well settled fact of law. Yet despite the fact that the entire catalog of universal newsreel is in the public domain, the National Archives lists them as "restricted-possibly" (see here: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/2050592?q=universal%20newsreel%20nazis ) even though there are no other possible claimaints to the rights as they were specifically donated to the national archives.XavierGreen (talk) 21:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you/Center for Security Policy Page Dispute

Just a quick note to thank the Location user for his or her comments on the Fringe theories forum concerning the dispute over the [Center for Security Policy] article. I agree this issue did not belong on the fringe page. This dispute has become an edit war so I asked for a 3rd party review. Zeke1999 (talk) 20:35, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I think you are unlikely to get any satisfaction with a third opinion, particularly since you are dealing with an editor who is only slightly more experienced than yourself and is somewhat WP:UNCIVIL. I would heed Ad Orientem's advice and take this to WP:NPOVN. - Location (talk) 20:53, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

+1. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:09, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Re: Michael Ruppert

I see you've tried to fix some of the content in the Michael Ruppert article. For your reference, Ruppert was interviewed by both the DOJ OIG (DOJ report ([Chapter 4 section A 4 c]) and the CIA OIG (CIA report Part I: The California Story: Findings, paragraphs 142-147]) during their investigations of Gary Webb's Dark Alliance newspaper series. The odd claim in the Ruppert article that "Experts who interviewed him later verified that he believed his own story" seems to be based on the conclusion in the DOJ report: "Based on our review, we believe that while Ruppert communicates his allegations fervently, they have no firm anchor in reality." I haven't got time to do anything with this, but based on the material in the reports, I also have serious doubts that Ruppert's mother worked for the NSA, as the article states. Rgr09 (talk) 01:33, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the links. I agree with you regarding Ruppert's mother. At the very least, the statement should us proper attribution (i.e. "Rupper stated that his mother, Madelyn, was a cryptanalyst at the National Security Agency, working in a unit that cracked Soviet codes in order to track their nuclear physicists." Alternatively, it could be removed altogether per WP:REDFLAG. - Location (talk) 02:18, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

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Since you wrote on RSN, I'd like to ask you if you want to give your opinion about the NYT obituary as source for the claim that Yisrael Meir Kagan wanted to become a high priest. --Jonund (talk) 14:11, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Guidelines at the top of WP:RSN ask editors to specify the source to which they have questions, but the OP did not do this. My comment on RSN was only to supply that source. I have no opinion as to whether it can be used in that article. - Location (talk) 15:03, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

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I thought since you edit the oswald article maybe able to assist me with this article: The Interloper: Lee Harvey Oswald Inside the Soviet Union it is being put up for speedy deletion for copyright violations. I have never had to deal with this before.

Any help would be most helpful. Thank you!! Moscowamerican (talk) 21:53, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Moscowamerican: It looks like this was resolved long ago with the removal of copyrighted material. There are plenty of sources about the book (see the article's talk page), so it should be fairly easy to build an article that meets Wikipedia standards. - Location (talk) 01:41, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

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Long time no see. Nice to have you back editing! Rgr09 (talk) 00:18, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! Maybe I'll dig back into the drug trafficking project one of these days. Cheers! - Location (talk) 01:27, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Rgr09, see Talk:Oliver North#Allegations of involvement with drug traffickers. -Location (talk) 16:46, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

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Your opinion will be appreciated a lot. —usernamekiran (talk) 20:28, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

• Hi,
  I just realised that in the light of recent events, I might come off as a conspiracy theorist lol. I just wanted to let you know that I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
  Regards —usernamekiran (talk) 17:15, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

It doesn't matter to me either way. I care more that other editors are respectful and edit within Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Cheers! -Location (talk) 00:39, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Hmm. What do you think about my contribs? :-) Please answer honestly. :) —usernamekiran(talk) 10:57, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

I haven't been following your contributions. I suspect from one or two of our previous discussions that you are a newer editor getting the hang of what sourcing is allowed, etc. Keep at it! -Location (talk) 13:58, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

lol yes. I'm sort of new at editing, but I'm very familiar with almost all the wiki policies except sources. I mean, I still don't know which sources are considered as reliable, and which aren't. So I usually rely on primary sources like I did with QKENCHANT. To ascertain the project is notable/discussed off the wiki, I even mistakenly provided a conspiracy source lol. I didn't know it was considered as conspiracy source till you pointed it out on the talkpage of Clay Shaw. —usernamekiran(talk) 13:31, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-retired

... but thanks for the note. —ATS 🖖 talk 16:36, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Question about an employee of the "agency"

There was an employee, maybe high ranking. In the last days of his life he suffered from sever case of grand paranoia. Maybe he was involved in MK Ultra, or maybe the letter/mail scanning project.

I can't remember who he was. I thought, you might know, as our watchlist is a lo similar. Kindly ping me when you reply. I hop you can identify that employee. It has been bugging me a lot. —usernamekiran(talk) 23:35, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran: Frank Olson? -Location (talk) 23:57, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

thanks, but no. It was a little similar to Olson though. The employee I am talking about was retired. He had paranoia of "big brother" type. Everything is being watched and/or being controlled by the agency sort of paranoia. His death was "non controversial". That's all I can recall. Anyways I will let you know when I remember/find out. Thanks again. :-) —usernamekiran(talk) 04:48, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Need your expertise/you as soon as possible. —usernamekiran(talk) 13:43, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Not sure what you are asking. Angleton? -Location (talk) 03:13, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

You're probably referring to the head of CIA counterintelligence, James Angleton, who was not actually paranoid, just overwhelmed by the KGB's interweaving, since 1959, of its traditional "active measures" counterintelligence operations with new, Sun Tzu-like "strategic deception" counterintelligence operations. Read former CIA officer Tennent H. Bagley's works for particulars. Kisevalter Was Nash (talk) 17:37, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

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Hello Friend. I'm writing about our JFK dispute. I have no wish to get into editing wars, especially on such a controversial subject. However, I honestly don't understand your reasons for reverting my edit. My source is Dr. Michael Parenti, who himself is featured as a rather respectable entry in Wikipedia. Likewise, if I'm not mistaken, he is the author of many books with reputable publishing houses. So, please enlighten me: What's unreliable about this ONE sentence? Moreover, this entry gives a picture of the field, showing that conspiracy in this area is not only popular among the public, but among scholars. This is simply a fact, which I sincerely hope you are not trying to suppress. I hope we can at least reach some compromise on this. Cordially awaiting your answer.Brachney (talk) 22:16, 3 June 2017 (UTC)Brachney

I have responded on the article's talk page. -Location (talk) 22:29, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello "Location":

Let me just add this Wikipedia entry about what you call a "fringe source":

"Parenti received his PhD in political science from Yale University. He is the author of 23 books and many more articles. His works have been translated into at least eighteen languages.[3] Parenti lectures frequently throughout the United States and abroad."

But, as I'v said, I don't wish to get into editing wars. So I'll leave this matter up to you. What shall it be then: Truth or propaganda?

Thank you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Brachney (talk • contribs) 22:33, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

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@Diannaa: Thanks for pointing that out to me. I'll go through and fix them. Thanks again! -Location (talk) 21:38, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Safari Club comment

Hi there, I think you misattributed an unsigned comment to me at Talk:Safari Club. Aloha, groupuscule (talk) 14:57, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

I did. Sorry about that! Cheers! -Location (talk) 15:11, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing it. I can see how that one loose question might have looked like an extension of my list of (still unanswered) questions. groupuscule (talk) 01:39, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

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I have seen that Lee Harvey Oswald has been named as John F. Kennedy's killer on Wikipedia; I suggest the same be done to O.J. Simpson and name him as the killer of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Lyle Goldman. Wikipedia is a mainstream encyclopedia so this article presents the accepted version of the events according to reliable sources. Various programs (America Crime Story, Made In America) have resulted in the consensus that reliable sources state that O.J. Simpson murdered Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Lyle Goldman. If you disagree with the current status, you are welcome to bring your concerns to the article talk page. The legal contexts of "burden of proof" and "presumption of innocence" apply to someone who is being tried for a crime. Although Simpson was found not guilty in a court of law, reliable sources firmly establish his culpability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.97.98 (talk) 03:45, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

In other news, the Prime Minister of Sweden visited Washington today, and my tiny little nipples went to France. -Location (talk) 19:58, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

It was a simple question: the writer here was just suggesting that O.J. be named as the killer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.254.234.125 (talk) 09:09, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

It was a strange post in that I don't recall ever having edited O.J Simpson. Try posting on Talk:O. J. Simpson. -Location (talk) 14:07, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

The suggestion is that since Wikipedia goes by the official and still confirmed accurate record - Oswald acting alone - in the Kennedy assassination, we could go by O.J. Simpson murdering Nicole and Ron despite being found not guilty, as evidence points to his guilt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.97.98 (talk) 16:07, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

There are about 2,500 editors who have worked on that page and you have chosen to make that suggestion to one who hasn't. You have my permission to do whatever you think is best. -Location (talk) 19:30, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

In Re: Afd: Brian D. Litman

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Location Sir:

It is very clear that in many recent months you have taken a keen interest in editing JFK Assassination articles. Including an article on my person which only peripherally associated me with the event in my role as a producer . I was therefore taken aback to see concluding with a full Afd request rather than some citation.

In the discussion, I tried to address possible misunderstandings which may have provoked your action.

The principle being your apparent disdain for "Fringe Theories" and your conclusion that I may be associated with them. This, owing to my involvement, some 24 years ago in representing the intellectual property interests of three KGB officers assigned to the Mexico City Rezidentura of KGB in 1963 and their interactions with Lee Harvey Oswald.

Location, for the record, I do not subscribe to any of the theories associated with JFK's murder. Before I went to Moscow, in 1990, I harbored suspicions. But - after 2 years of immersion into the case - and assisting in the writing and production of a book "Passport to Assassination" by my then-client Oleg Nechiporenko, my sentiments changed. In fact, wholly-galvanized in favor of what is affectionately called the "Lone Gunman Theory". This came about as I correlated existing evidence plus rather startling new information about the psychopathology of the accussed assassin emanating from the KGB Archives and the 3 operatives themselves.

Most notably, LHO's erratic behavior, attempted suicide in Moscow during a tourism holiday and most critically, evidence shared with me and published manifesting significant personality disorder and violent tendencies. Pulling a pistol during a visa interview is not the hallmark of a stable personality. (In the days before metal detectors.)

Perhaps the fact that the article referenced my speaking invitations to the 2 dominant American conferences during the 50th Anniversary in 2013 made you think I was guilty by association? Au contraire, I was the Daniel in the Lions' Den at both conferences. Sneered at and nearly spat upon. And it was quite something confronting fellow speaker Oliver Stone with my alternative views. So, if that is what you thought, I might ask you to reconsider your position. I am pretty much in the Posner/Bugliosi camp.

As I have not observed that you have written, but rather that you have edited a lot, I honestly don't know your own views. But given the time you have invested in your clarifications, I would be keen to know them.

As for the lack of mention of me in the Nechiporenko article, I don't know who wrote it, nor do I care. Anybody can selectively edit reality. My reality with Nechiporenko was evidenced here or or in various other citations.

While I discussed many details at the two 2013 symposia, I have reserved some information for my own writing.

However, if it interests you at all to communicate any further on Oswald's defection, Moscow, Minsk or Mexico, I would be happy to discuss with you. Online or off.

Otherwise, I regret that the article written about me did not adhere to Wikipedia standards. Somebody *could* fix those. I just didn't think that -as one of the KEEP commenters said- that the "baby be thrown out with the bathwater".

Thank you for your time. litman_bd (talk) 02:35, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you for your comments. If the purpose of all of this is to save the article, I think your energy is going to be better spent posting in Talk:Brian D. Litman or Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian D. Litman. -Location (talk) 03:31, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

I think it somewhat unlikely you saw my "defense" because it was, most curiously, Reverted out from its own Talk Page ... so I had to move it to talk It is pre-requisite reading to the above, but the Revert compromised timing.

That said, I genuinely am interested in your "take" on JFK. litman_bd (talk) 04:24, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure why your comments were removed, but I saw them because I received an alert after you tagged me in your post. You could ask an administrator for assistance in restoring them.

I'm not interested in discussing JFK outside of the context of improving Wikipedia articles, and that's best done on the talk pages of the articles. Sorry. -Location (talk) 05:32, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

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Hi Location. When did this happen? Do you want to work on it again? I would be honoured to assist you. —usernamekiran(talk) 21:45, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

I think the above had something to do with a move and/or redirect. There was nothing in it. -Location (talk) 21:48, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Sources for Barry Seal article

Hi, I'm working on the Barry Seal article, and I have some doubts about one of the sources cited. If you have time, I'd appreciate any comments you have. Rgr09 (talk) 14:09, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Pause on the drug allegations page?

Looks like you've decided to put work on the drug allegations aside for now. Enjoyed reading your finds and learned a lot. I'll keep plugging away at some of these issues, hope you don't mind if stop by to ask for suggestions/comments sometimes. Rgr09 (talk) 00:37, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

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Four months now :-/

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Location? —usernamekiran(talk) 13:40, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

10 motnths. —usernamekiran(talk) 08:57, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

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Oswald’s whereabouts?

The article currently says that Marrion Baker saw Oswald on the second floor, but JFK historian Stan Dane has pointed out in his book and research, “Prayer Man”, that Baker originally said he saw a man walking away from a stairway on the 3rd or 4th floor, a man who doesn’t match Oswald’s description, and that original interrogation reports say Oswald was on the first floor, at the entrance, (not in the first floor room or second floor lunchroom) and may have captured on film outside, and is the figure called “Prayer Man”. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.254.235.62 (talk) 10:43, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Leavelle interrogating Oswald on 22?

I just noticed that the Lee Harvey Oswald article (great job, btw, it certainly deserves its star) contradicts the one covering Jim Leavelle. This article says Oswald was questioned by Detective Jim Leavelle about the shooting of Officer Tippit on the 22nd after his arrest. But Leavelle’s biographical article on Wikipedia states the exact opposite - that he only interrogated Oswald on the 24th - the morning Oswald was shot, and that he had never talked to him before. Not accusing Leavelle of being unrealible or a liar but his interviews he has done in recent years are in contray to his WC testimony. Memory always distort from time to time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.17.72 (talk) 17:49, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

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Great work on a complicated subject! Rgr09 (talk) 00:10, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Have a stub on CIA and the press in my sandbox subpage; this is a short version of non-OM aspects. Please take a look and critique if you have time! Rgr09 (talk) 11:39, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

@Rgr09: Related to this, good work on Ben Bradlee. I blame Deborah Davis and Peter Janney for the spiderweb of "Operation Mockingbird" and "Murder of Mary Pinchot Meyer" conspiracy theories that have infected all of these articles at one time or another:

• Katharine the Great
• Allen Dulles
• Frank Wisner
• Phil Graham
• Katharine Graham
• Cord Meyer
• Peter Janney
• Mary Pinchot Meyer
• Kenneth O'Donnell
• David Powers
• James Jesus Angleton
• Ben Bradlee
• James Truitt
• Anne Truitt

I believe I used to have all of them and more on my watchlist at one time or another. - Location (talk) 12:54, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you for the kind words. There are a couple things I want to achieve here, then I plan to take another break. Thanks also for posting the archiving tool. Sometimes I peruse my own talk page to refresh my memory about certain things, so for now I think I would like to keep it as it is. Keep up the good work! Cheers! - Location (talk) 16:33, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Just speaking what I truly think :) maybe you can use {{DNAU}}. Basically, it tells what not to archive for the said amount of days. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:27, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Amiram Nir

Darouet just added back info from Eclipse of the Assassins to the Amiram Nir article. He also slandered me by claiming that a random ip that reverted him was actually me.Jaydoggmarco (talk) 05:05, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. Regarding the assertion that Harrison was a CIA agent: Harrison denied working for any US government agency [7], so Bartley/Bartley are wrong. - Location (talk) 05:18, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

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Hipal/Ronz: I've been away, but I will take a look at the ANI. Thanks for the heads up. - Location (talk) 18:46, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

I saw that the discussion has been archived. There is the potential for many articles to be affected by the disputed sources, but I think Amiram Nir (not a BLP as he is deceased) might be the only other one I've seen thus far. Hope this helps! Location (talk) 18:51, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not sure what to make of what's going on, and I've not looked closely at the concerns of misrepresenting sources etc. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 21:02, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Hipal/Ronz:I am not sure the issue is misrepresenting sources as much as much as it is failing to use "editorial judgement" per WP:REPUTABLE. In Wikipedia, there is presumption that academics and academic publishers put out reliable information; however, the work of Bartley and Bartley clearly relies on dubious sources to put forth a conspiracy theory, and the attempts to show that those sources are dubious - in other reliable sources not specifically related to the topic of Kiki Camarena's murder - is being tossed out as WP:OR. Cheers! - Location (talk) 15:59, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

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When in the video was it mentioned that Phil Coulson was named after Danny Coulson? CarverSindile (talk) 23:51, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Sorry. Can't help you. This is the only I made to Danny Coulson and I don't see that I've ever edited Phil Coulson. -Location (talk) 00:39, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Do you think you can help me find who edit it then? CarverSindile (talk) 22:11, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks

Thanks for your help in updating the October Surprise articles. This Ben Barnes thing has brought a lot of people out of the woodwork. Rja13ww33 (talk) 17:36, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for jumping on this. You may have seen that I referenced Siva Vaidhyanathan's tweets on the talk page. It really is incredible how much credence people - not just Wikipedians - have given to this type of hearsay. Maybe because we aren't used to former politicians claiming things of that type. Cheers! -Location (talk) 20:52, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

People love the latest & greatest. It's sort of like whenever a new guy "confesses" to killing JFK or Hoffa. This story is (frankly) so ridiculous....it's hard to be objective here. I will be curious how RS treats it as time goes by. The big gaping hole in this that no one seems to be talking about is: as per this theory, they had already touched base with the Iranians prior to the Barnes/Connally trip....well if that is the case, why go all over the Middle East hoping a third party will pass messages on to people you are already in contact with? This is not to mention the fact Barnes said he concealed it because he didn't want to be known as a Bennedict Arnold to the Democratic Party. Well in the first place, he said he went on the trip not knowing its purpose (i.e. he was just a witness) so that hardly makes him a traitor to anyone....and secondly, if he had come out with this in '84 or '88, he would have had a statue in front of the DNC HQ dedicated to him for effectively ending the Reagan/Bush era. (Assuming Reagan knew what he supposedly spread all over the Middle East.) So yeah, a little hard to swallow. Rja13ww33 (talk) 21:15, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

I noticed Viriditas replied to you on the Reagan page. Just a word: anything he says....check it out. Because he distorts/lies about everything. In any case, not sure I'd waste my time with him.....you know what they say about arguing with idiots. :)Rja13ww33 (talk) 02:27, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

The "Benedict Arnold" claim doesn't make sense to me either. I think SV tweeted that Barnes had been out of politics for decades and it was common for Texas Democrats to jump ship with Carter anyway. He made these claims 10 years ago, so Carter being in hospice shouldn't have anything to do with them coming out again. If anything, stories like this help to remind people that conspiracy theories are propagated by both sides of the political spectrum. -Location (talk) 21:03, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Ditto thanks for your work on this. It is a truly frustrating subject to deal with, props for your patience and perseverance. Rgr09 (talk) Rgr09 (talk) 14:53, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

@Rgr09 and Rja13ww33: Thanks for all that the two of you do, too. Wikipedia is pretty good about addressing the newest conspiracy theories that have entered mainstream discourse, but the spider web of Allegations of CIA drug trafficking, CIA involvement in Contra cocaine trafficking, October Surprise conspiracy theory, Iran–Contra affair, and Inslaw affair (and related articles) doesn't seem to draw the attention of people who might be able to mitigate the spread of crappy information. Cheers! -Location (talk) 20:08, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Ulmer

Thanks for the heads-up. The article has multiple issues. Coretheapple (talk) 14:26, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

October Surprise Allegations

Do you think changing the title to what is in the subject line throws a little too much weight to the other side of the argument? I'd be curious as to what you think. (Since you haven't voted on that RFC yet.)Rja13ww33 (talk) 20:53, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

I may be away for the weekend, so I was hoping to see what others think prior to committing. October Surprise allegations would be acceptable to me, but I also think October Surprise conspiracy allegations might be more descriptive. If we are working with the definition that "a conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that asserts the existence of a conspiracy by powerful and sinister groups, often political in motivation, when other explanations are more probable" then there is no doubt that these allegations form a conspiracy theory. Still, I totally get that some people believe that "conspiracy theorist" and "conspiracy theories" are pejorative terms, and I would agree that Wikipedia sometimes does not seem to be consistent (e.g. Clinton Body Count was recently moved to Clinton body count conspiracy theory; Dick Gregory is a conspiracy theorist, but Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is known for promoting conspiracy theories). I wish there was a larger discussion about this. -Location (talk) 23:24, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

MKUltra

I'll take a look at that MKUltra thing you pinged me about when I get a chance. I have to admit though: I'm not that knowledgeable on that particular subject. Cheers!Rja13ww33 (talk) 00:14, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

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Panama/Noriega section in 'Allegations of CIA trafficking'

What did you think of the Panama/Noriega section in the 'Allegations of CIA trafficking' page? There is talk of restoring that section on-going on that talk page....I give my thoughts there.Rja13ww33 (talk) 18:11, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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