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November 21

Rfc on upgrading the NAC essay to a guideline

Interested editors can comment on the Deletion process talk page. Thanks. Lourdes 05:39, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Did you see the notice at the top of this page: This page is only for questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia.? Your RfC has been listed at Requests for comment along with all the others: Noyster (talk), 11:20, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Noyster, do please try and ping me if you reply as otherwise I miss the replies (as I almost did this). As I contribute considerably to the Help Desk and help editors out here, the message was left for the regulars who frequent this desk like me. I've recently noticed your contributions at the Help Desk and would like to thank you for giving your time in clarifying queries of editors here. There are times when I notice that questions go unanswered simply because I or the other regulars don't have the time. That's why it is heartening to see other editors chip in and do their bit. Coming back to your note, If you feel my post is a misuse of this page, do please remove this post (or any future post from me that you feel is out of order; no issues in that with me; just leave a note whenever you do that). Thanks. Lourdes 11:05, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Immaculate Heart High School (Los Angeles)

I have added a photo but have failed trying to place it higher up the page. Please help if able thanks 101.182.180.24 (talk) 09:45, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

 Done - moved image into infobox - Arjayay (talk) 09:52, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Restore Picture file

Hi, following this Deletion request on Commons, the file corresponding to File:AsimovOnThrone.png was deleted, as Commons does not accept (anymore) the GDFL-IS licence tag. Could the original file be restored here? Where have I to ask for? Thanks. --Harlock81 (talk) 12:20, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Indian - NOT NATIVE AMERICAN.

Please stop referring to us as NATIVE AMERICANS. That is PC we are Indians. In my case, an Indian of the Porch Band of Creek Indians.

We had OUR COUNTRY (NOT AMERICA) when it was taken from us, but we are still INDIANS and proud of our name and HERITAGE. Just like African-Americans is only true if they have dual citizenship.

PLEASE stop this politically correct crap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.20.68.128 (talk) 14:38, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

This is being discussed at Talk:Native Americans in the United States#Native American: A legal or racial term?. The term Indian has a variety of meanings in different parts of the world. Dbfirs 14:47, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Dbfirs are you sure that is the correct talk page link? I can't find a current discussion and the most recent post is Oct 2nd. Apologies if I have missed something. MarnetteD|Talk 14:55, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

MarnetteD Sorry, perhaps I should have written "has been discussed". I've made the link more specific. Dbfirs 15:02, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

We have an article Native American name controversy. Dbfirs 15:09, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing that up Dbfirs. Much appreciated. MarnetteD|Talk 15:23, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Noae Naganuma

Why do my Bold and large font headings disappear in the submitted document? How can I construct them properly in the draft?

ArborgateAborgate (talk) 15:36, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

The section headers in Draft:Naoe Naganuma seem to me to be correctly formatted. Maproom (talk) 16:27, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

The section headings look fine to me too. †dismas†|^(talk) 19:28, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Portimonense S.C.

Yesterday I made a merge from the article Portimonense S.C. (football) (which had a sizeable amount of information about Portimonense's association football team) to the article Portimonense S.C. (which was about the club in its entirety, but was extremely small, defeating the purpose of its separate existence). It happens that I am not very experienced at doing these moves and I failed to move the talk page in the process and I can't do the talk page move manually. Is it possible to move it separately or do I have to undo what I did and try again? Thanks in advance. The Replicator (talk) 20:47, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

@The Replicator: You can't move the talk page because the page you are trying to move it to has more than one revision. I've requested the move be done at WP:RM/TR, where you can request noncontroversial moves you cannot make yourself in the future. Pppery 21:33, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Xerxes date range

Just wanted to let you know that the date of Xerxes 1 reign is backwards on the photo of him it says he reigned from 486bc to 465bc — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spidertig (talk • contribs) 22:57, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest, Spidertig. If you have points to discuss about the contents of a particular article, that article's talk page is the best place to discuss it - here Talk:Xerxes I. However, in this case, there is nothing to discuss, as the dates are the right way round. 486 BC was before 465 BC! . --ColinFine (talk) 23:06, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Dear Spidertig, regardless of where you ask the question, it could have easily been answered here to help you better understand the chronology of time: BC (before Christ) and AD (anno Domini). Years progressing after the birth year of Jesus in the Julian and Gregorian calendars count forward 1 to 2017. However, since no one knows when time actually began, the counting of years progresses in reverse; mirroring the extension in the opposite direction: i.e. 2016 AD is the same as 2016 BC in opposition. However, since time moves forward, if you were born in 486bc and lived for 21 years, you would have died in the year 465bc (in the Julian and Gregorian calendar years). But if you died in 2AD and lived 21 years, you would have died in the year 23AD. Does this make any sense? I hope so. (I hope I got it right, myself!) Maineartists (talk) 23:41, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Viewing the history of Exurb before it was moved/merged

Is it possible to see see the edit history of Exurb? The talkpage is accessible, but the main page gets redirected to Commuter town. In 2007, Exurb was merged and moved to Commuter town.(diff) Usually there's an infobox on the talkpage with a link the edit histories of pages that were merged, but I don't know how else to find it when that link isn't on the talkpage. Thanks! —PermStrump(talk) 23:10, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

@Permstrump: Yes, it is. If you go to the page exurb, then scroll up to the top and click on the small link where it says (redirected from exurb), that will take you to the redirect page, where you can click the "view history" link as usual. Pppery 23:15, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

@Pppery: Woah. I never knew that! This will surely come in handy in the future too... Thank you! :) —PermStrump(talk) 02:23, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

November 22

Great Zimbabwe origins

Oral traditions have been accepted facts for many historians. Great Zimbabwe is not exception: according to oral traditions of the Dziva Hungwe clan (royal priests of the city), King Soro Rezhou (of the elephant clan) began to build the city of stone cirica 2200 A.D. The dry masonry of the city is replicated in the local construction of traditional buildings. It is no surprise that the highest math scores on the O and A level exams and the highest percentage of engineering students in Zimbabwe come from Chivi, Zaka and Gutu Districts: the builders of Dzimbabwe. Not only have I spent six years in rural Zimbabwe, I also drew commentary from Dzimbahwe : life and politics in the golden age 1100-1500 A. D by Prof. Kenneth Mufuka.(1983)

References

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.168.47 (talk • contribs) 23:50, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Why does this matter? Pppery 00:00, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

I don't think you meant 2200 A.D. Rojomoke (talk) 06:28, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

A product in Kickstarter

Dear editors: If a new product has been written about in several lengthy news and magazine articles, the company is raising funds on Kickstarter to produce it, has met the original goal, but the product isn't actually available for purchase yet, should it have an article? I have a draft in progress (User:Anne Delong/Pokito), but I am not sure what is the right time to move it to mainspace.—Anne Delong (talk) 00:27, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

The only part of that that matters is "written about in several length news and magazine articles." See WP:GNG. However, a possible counter-argument is WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NOTNEWS -- in the long run, the article will need to demonstrate that there's any lasting notability beyond the initial announcement of this product. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:37, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Ian.thomson. I found another news article today, so I decided to move it to mainspace. I guess time will tell if I made the right decision.—Anne Delong (talk) 03:59, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Topic bans

Do we have a policy or guideline about someone who is under a topic ban discussing topic bans without touching on his banned topic?

I am looking at a couple of recently topic banned users who are now discussing how unfair their topic bans were. On the one hand, there is a benefit to discussions where users protest admin actions (sometimes admins get it wrong, and sometimes admins get it right but users just need to vent). On the other hand I see a benefit to them dropping the stick and moving on. Plus there is a real risk that they will stray into actual topic ban violations.

So do we have a policy on this? --Guy Macon (talk) 00:44, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Per WP:BANEX, if they're earnestly asking for clarification or appeal, then it's OK. That said, I've seen precedent for users who just would not STFU about their ban after an appeal fails being banned from appealing for a set amount of time and being told that further complaints would be treated as violations of the topic ban. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:59, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Immaculate Heart College

I have not done references 1 and 7 correctly. The refs. are from the same JOURNAL (not a publisher) and I would like to put down the publisher. Please can you do it? (I always take ages to get it right) Please be kind Srbernadette (talk) 01:15, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

I think it would be good for you to practice.--S Philbrick(Talk) 01:26, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Please help! sorry - Reference number 2 is a BOOK - I hope I got it right. I have left the other refs - 1 and 7 - as they were because I know I will stuff them up if I change them myself. Does it matter if these refs do not have publishers?

Why don't you learn referencing yourself instead of repeatedly asking for help with it on the help desk? Pppery 02:13, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Moortown, Leeds

I did not do this edit - reference number 1 on this page. Please fix if able. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 03:13, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Resolved

@Srbernadette: - The title error? All I did was at |title= and add a title. it is not really a huge issue though.. and easily fixable. I "fixed" it though. --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 05:42, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

To clarify, this simple edit was what Jennica did. What stopped you from doing that, Srbernadette? --David Biddulph (talk) 05:51, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: - I have offered to help this user on their talk page but they never answer me back, but I've noticed their posts on here asking for this similar thing. Oh well. --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 10:54, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Rowspans

Hi! The film tables are given in WP:FILMOGRAPHY, but no "rowspan"s are used for the same "year"s in the table. Does this mean that the rowspans shouldn't be used in film tables, or can be used but prefer not to, OR what does it mean? Because I can't see any info about rowspan there. Please reply, thanks! M. Billoo _(talk) 16:02, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Dunno M.Billoo2000. Maybe they wanted to keep it simple, or maybe it's because the table entries sometimes extend a long way vertically and the year would become invisible. Filmographies in articles like James Mason#Filmography use rowspan with no apparent problems. If it bothers you you could ask at the talk page: Noyster (talk), 17:57, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

@Noyster: Hi! Thanks for your kind response. This means that there is no kind of any "blockage" for using rowspans, but it was witten at Emma Watson#Filmography that don't add rowspans. Thanks again! M. Billoo _(talk) 18:09, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

OK, having looked myself at the project talkspace I see that this has been repeatedly discussed. The most recent seems to have been here, the conclusion being that rowspan was OK to use in a left-hand "year" column, but not elsewhere - this postdated the adding of that comment to Emma Watson's page: Noyster (talk), 18:32, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind responce! M. Billoo _(talk) 05:23, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

NPP

I have recently been less active on Wikipedia and just learned about the new NPP rights. Firstly I'm a bit confused about the rationale. Doesn't this mean that less people are qualified to review? Secondly, the page about the user right says,

Editors who have not reviewed new pages since 1 January 2016 will no longer be able to do so until they have made a special, but straightforward, application for the right at WP:PERM.

so what about those who have? "Grandfathering" only involves those with more than 200 uncontested patrols, so what if I did less than that? And must I have used the Page Curation Tool to do patrol? I didn't like the look of the curation tool but I think I must have at least did some patrolling since January. Sorry if this sounds stupid but I have been on rather long Wikibreaks lately. The Average Wikipedian (talk) 05:30, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

• @The Average Wikipedian: see the links at Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/RfC_on_patrolling_without_user_right#Previous_discussions. Basically, a (significant) restriction on who can patrol passed recently. In a nutshell, the consensus was that no patrol is better than substandard patrol. You can still access Special:NewPagesFeed.

As I understand it, the "200 uncontested patrols" refers to ticking the "mark as patrolled" button, so sending to AfD/CSD may not count towards grandfathering. I would expect admins at WP:PERM to be relatively liberal in granting the permission; the problem was barely autoconfirmed accounts jumping it without having read the guidelines. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 13:06, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

@Tigraan: Thanks for the reply. I definitely think I did click the mark as patrolled button a couple of times at least, and Twinkle does mark pages as patrolled after tagging AfDs and CSDs. However, what happens if my number of patrols is larger than 0 (which if fallen short of would deprive me of the right to review new pages without applying) and smaller than 200 (which if exceeded would automatically grant me the right)? What happens in this zone? The page suggests that I do no have to apply but at the same time am not automatically granted the right... The Average Wikipedian (talk) 15:50, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

There was some debate about how exactly the number of previous patrols would be counted, but the grandfathering has been done now, and rather than try to re-open the question I think your best course is to read the updated WP:NPP tutorial page, then if you want a New Page Reviewer job and are qualified, apply for it at Requests for permissions: Noyster (talk), 17:40, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

@The Average Wikipedian: Maybe the tutorial page is not clear, but from the discussion, I understood fairly clearly that the grandfathering applied to people having made 200+ patrols in the specified time window, hence a number <200 would not qualify. Again, looking at successful requests on Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/New_page_reviewer and comparing with your edit stats (and patrol log), I would think you will be granted the permission fairly easily if you just ask. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 18:18, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Succession box generated a second reflist?

Hello all. I tried to move the succession box to the bottom of a page and any way I did it, it would produce a 2nd reflist below it followed by errors. here is the edit I did, which I have since reverted. Can anybody tell me what I did wrong? --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 05:39, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jennica: That would be because you moved it after the reflist in the References section. The reflist displays the refs which appear before it. Any refs without a following reflist are displayed at the end of the article. —teb728 t c 09:31, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Editing image on sandbox

I wish to practice editing an image licenced under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported licence on my sandbox page. I am very unsure about the regulations and implications regarding this. Firstly, would I be able to edit the image in sandbox without altering the image throughout the enterity of its use on Wikipedia, as I only wish to practice on it. Also, Would there be other issues which I'm not aware of? I have no idea what the licence actually entails in plain English. I will greatly appriciate any advice. Regards, Aardwolf A380 (talk) 05:50, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

@Aardwolf A380: There is no way to edit an image on a page. If you need to edit an image, you download the image to your computer, edit it there on your computer, and then re-upload it to Commons (or Wikipedia). The CC-BY-SA license allows anyone to use or modify the image, subject to the restrictions that they credit the copyright owner and that any modification must be licensed under the same license. —teb728 t c 09:46, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help! Regards, Aardwolf A380 (talk) 09:57, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

hi

Hello the locations that comes up after starts tracking is incorrect — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.167.119.5 (talk) 08:58, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.9 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. —teb728 t c 09:47, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Virginia Conventions

Reference help requested. I am new to using wp:cite web, and received an error notice. I am sorry, I do not know enough about the convention to diagnose my error. Any assistance would be much appreciated, as it seems that I cannot advance my article to GA without conforming to wp:cite book and wp:cite web conventions. Thanks in advance. Thanks, TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 09:50, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

You are trying to use "cite web" for documents published in 1861. I'm not surprised it doesn't work. You could use "cite journal" and include a URL field. Maproom (talk) 10:03, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

It wasn't that which was flagging up an error. The error message was "Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page)", with the words "help page" being in blue to indicate that they were a wikilink, in this case to Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref. Another editor has subsequently added the missing </ref> tag. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:10, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks to all for prompt responses. I'll try to be more careful. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 09:39, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

User Name and other stuff

Hello everyone ! I am new around the block and also, even though I consider english my second language and I am quite confort using it I am from Argentina and my native language is spanish (but I want to be here and use this wiki insted of the spanish one) OK here si te thing. I have already done some editing and embarked this weekend in the gathering of an article BIG entreprise for a newbie...Since my endevour is to start the page of AVI KAPLAN (bass of Pentatonix) and I understood that being this a collective plataform would be usefull to start a hull that inmediatly would receive masive editing from around the world, I took as reference KEVIN OLUSOLA page (the other bass and beatbox of Pentatonix whose history is much more alike Avi s adn Pentatonix s page than of course has much info about Avi. rarely there are not many public pics I could use so I spent THE WHOLE week end working against the clock in order to understand to edit in font text and gathering all the reasonable NEW info I could, but I got slashed by censorships about using too much info from Olusola and Pentatonix pages ! Of course I understand it is not personal, so I took the advise and spent the whoe day studying from wiki about how to do it right AND HERE COMES THE MAIN QUESTION since I wrongly I know now changed my user name to a one with a non valid symbol my username disappear so I do not know now if I was banned or rejected by the system. I want to contribute here, by no means I want to do wrong things or vandalize SO HELP !!! Thank you ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Florencia Pellejero (talk • contribs) 15:40, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

As is explained at User talk:Florencia Pellejero#Wikipedia and copyright, material which you added to Draft:Avi Kaplan had to be removed as it was a copyright violation. I'm not sure what you mean about a user name with a non valid symbol; have you edited under a different username? --David Biddulph (talk) 15:57, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for replying. No, I did not edit under a different ussername. On Monday I tried to shorten it an in Preferences I used an arroba (that I now know is not a valid symbol) I do not know if it has to do with that but now, everytime I sign in my name appears in red and it says that my name is not a username that exist. Florencia Pellejero (talk) 08:28, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Florencia Pellejero: When you see a red link in Wikipedia, it (almost always) means that it is a reference to a page that does not exist. So when you see the red link in your signature, it means that you have not created a user page yet. You don't need a user page, but if you want one, click on the red link, enter what you want to appear on your user page in the big text box (you don't have to enter anything), and then click "Save page" at the bottom. —teb728 t c 09:07, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Author

Hi

I am an author and want my name to be appear in India writers list Please hep

Vikrant — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vikrantsantt (talk • contribs) 22:23, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Dear Vikrantsantt. Since I could not find any author/writer on WP with the name "Vikrant"; I am guessing that you mean this list here: [1]? If so, this is not a "list" per say, but assembled links to article pages of notable Indian Writers on WP. If you are a notable Indian writer, chances are you would already be on this list. You must meet certain requirements as a subject to meet guidelines of notability for inclusion on WP; see here: [2]. If you feel you are a notable subject, you may "request an article" here: [3]; however, WP discourages subjects to create articles on themselves or partake in their creation due to "conflict of interest": [4]. My advice: if you are indeed a notable Indian Writer, it is best to simply wait until someone creates an article about you. Best of luck. Maineartists (talk) 23:22, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Search for bare URLs

Hi, is it possible to search all wikitext in the article namespace to fish out bare URLs in references, aka search for <ref>[ or ]</ref>? Icebob99 (talk) 23:23, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Here's a simple https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource%3A%2F%5C<ref%5C>https%3F%2F&title=Special:Search

—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:11, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

If you use AWB you could identify pages with bare URL refs using the regex <ref[^>]*>\s*\[?(https?://[^][<>\s"]+)\]?\s*</ref> (CAUTION: do not run this against all pages; it will kill the server and return more hits than you can use.) If you want to see a partial list of such pages that I have been working through, take a look at User:Gronk Oz/Bare URLs. Feel free to fix them, and take them off this list when they are done. --Gronk Oz (talk) 00:26, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Icebob99: hope you're using the reflinks tool! --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 11:03, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

November 23

Charles F Bryan

At the top of the Charles F. Bryan article, there are links for the Charles Faulkner disambiguation page and the Faulkner surname page. I see from the talk page that his middle initial stands for Faulkner. Is it typical to put disambiguation and surname page links based on middle names? Leschnei (talk) 00:20, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

• Hi Leschnei, I don't think there is anything typical or atypical about putting such links. It's an editorial discretion that editors make on a case by case basis as the intent is to ensure that the reader does not confuse the subject with someone else. That said, if you believe the said links are editorially inappropriate, why don't you put up a note at the talk page of the said article? Come back if you have any other query. Cheers. Lourdes 11:20, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Lourdes, I was just curious, since Faulkner wasn't in the title. On my first read through, I glossed right over the full name right underneath (it was late), so it was a little confusing. I don't think that there's any change needed. Leschnei (talk) 13:19, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Can you give me simple instructions on how to cite sources?

I don't have the time to read the entire article and find what I need, it would be nice if someone gave me a quick answer. Boötes (talk) 00:42, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

At a bare minimum for web sources, you can put the URL between two ref tags. So it would look something like <ref>URL goes here</ref>. But that really is a bare minimum.

You could review WP:REFB. I don't know if that's the article that you don't have time to read but it's the basics on referencing. †dismas†|^(talk) 00:44, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Boötes: If you don't want to take the time to read the article, can you take two minutes to watch a video instead? Wikimedia Foundation has a number of videos on YouTube, and you might find the one on citing sources helpful. I tried to post the link here, but YouTube links are blacklisted (even Wikipedia's own videos). So go to YouTube and search for "Wikipedia editing basics: Citing sources (part 2)" --Gronk Oz (talk) 05:24, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Boötes: In the edit window there is a drop down menu called "Templates". It gives you easy to use templates for citing a webpage, news article, book, and academic journal. Click on the type of source you want and fill in the boxes that appear. That's the easiest way. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:32, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! Boötes (talk) 00:52, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

How to add a summary after I UNDO a revert of a correction I did; Also How & Where to Argue my points on Edits

I have made a common sense edit in the article Cyrus The Great. In the 'Early Life" section it talks about Cyrus' maternal grandfather having two dreams. However, the description of these ends in two sentences, and then the section goes on to state how the grandfather went about doing things to ensure that the dreams did not come true. That is, after the 2-4 sentences describing the dream, it reverts to real acts by the grandfather. I merely edited th article stating that these supposed acts by granddad are now considered MYTHS in that they are basic stories in most histories of great men. That is, to avoid being killed by wicked king, usually a relative, they were taken after birth and hid amongst the poor, until their nobility and god-like qualities betray their identity. Then they raise an army and regain their rightful place & property, usually a kingdom.

However, the person that reverted my edit says these stories are the dreams, which if you read the article you can see they are not.

Xenophon as a cite, that he claims is unacceptable, whereas he uses Herodotus, who is no more or less accepted than Xenophon.

Leecorp1 (talk) 01:15, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Leecorp1: The place to discuss page content is on its talk page, in this case Talk:Cyrus the Great. —teb728 t c 04:53, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Oh, and discuss it BEFORE you decide whether to undo the revert. —teb728 t c 05:10, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

cross categories

How would I find out what pages are in both https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_set_in_the_1940s and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_set_in_Brooklyn ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.220.7.154 (talk) 01:16, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

There is a tool that can do this - Wikipedia:PetScan. This link shows the tool giving eight results for your query. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:41, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.220.7.154 (talk) 13:11, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Appalachian Trail

On the Wikipedia article about the Appalachian Trail, you might wish to add a Book citation under Non-Fiction Print - "The Spirit of the Appalachian Trail" - by Susan Power Bratton - subtitled "Community, Environment, and Belief on a Long Distance Hiking Path" - 284 pages - Copyright 2012 by The University of Tennessee Press / Knoxville - ISBN 13:978-1-62190-191-4

Thanks .... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.169.45.217 (talk) 03:03, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

• Hello, thanks for your suggestion. I've copied your suggestion to the talk page of the said article. I'm sure if editors frequenting that article find the reference worthy, they will include the same. Thanks again. Lourdes 11:27, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Page Deleted

A page I created after painstaking research has been deleted and the deleting admin refuses to explain why except citing ' unambiguous promotion' in the deletion summary. Please help me in restoring this page so that I can rewrite any inappropriate parts from a neutral stance. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by FilmForum61 (talk • contribs) 03:06, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

You have already presented your request here: Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion#Agneya Singh. You were told to demonstrate that the subject meets the notability guideline for academics. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:16, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict)If the subject of the article is notable, then people who are not affiliated with him can re-write the article. You removed the tags pointing out the neutrality problems resulting from the subject's friends rewriting the article, so it's hard to see how you'd be making it more neutral (a word, which, by the way, doesn't mean "totally in favor of the subject"). Also, the article history indicates that the article was created by Anitsaraf. Are you using multiple accounts? Ian.thomson (talk) 03:20, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

I was not the original creator of the page but I rewrote it extensively. And I thought it was neutral and objective but naturally respect the decision of the Wikipedia admin if they think otherwise. I am a film curator so I am speaking from a base of some experience Ian.thomson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FilmForum61 (talk • contribs) 04:11, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Help for removing speedy deletion tag

I got a message with a speedy deletion tag for an information I wrote. So i myself deleted the whole sandbox. I don't know what to do next. Please help me so that speedy deletion tag was removed. PrashantS.Prashant (talk) 07:30, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

• Hi S.Prashant, you don't need to do anything else. I would suggest that you should give a quick read to Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines before creating promotional articles. And while you're at it, try to check out Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Come back here for any further help. Lourdes 11:16, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Adding a translated page of your wikipage

Hi,

There is already a wikipage about the company I work at in English, Portuguese, and French. How can we get this wikipage translated to Italian, French, German and Russian? Is this something an editor can help us with or can I try to submit a version in each language?

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.111.218.130 (talk • contribs)

Hello. In general, please read Translate us for information about translating articles into other-language Wikipedias. More specifically, on the English Wikipedia you are strongly discouraged from writing or editing an article about your own company, because of your Conflict of interest. I don't know for sure that that is the case on the fr. de. and ru. Wikipedias, but I would expect it to be so. Please understand that Wikipedia is not for promotion of any kind. An article on your company does not belong to you, and you do not have any control over the contents. It ought to be a summary of what people unconnected with your company have published about it in reliable sources: Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what you or the company say about it. --ColinFine (talk) 11:16, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

re: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Gripp

Hi Wikipedia,

This page is a synopsis on my writing career. However, after much consideration, I don't feel that I am notable enough to warrant having a Wikipedia page. Though I didn't originally start the page itself, I have maintained and updated it over the years. I am retiring from public writing and believe that since my books are independently "published," I have not achieved the minimal acclaim from the literary community to justify its existence and therefore request for this page's deletion. Thank you for your time and consideration. Kindest Regards, Andreas Gripp, London, Ontario, Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenwichbeat (talk • contribs) 17:58, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Greenwichbeat I have proposed a deletion of the article. If someone opposes this deletion, then it can be nominated using articles for deletion which starts a deletion discussion about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:09, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

How to create a WIKIPEDIA listing

Hello, I am new to writing article's or listings on Wikipedia, and was hoping to get a few pointers on writing a listing about an author. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by CatherineSellers (talk • contribs) 19:38, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello. The most important thing to start with is the general inclusion criteria: WP:AUTHOR. As a general rule, state the most important thing about the person within the first two sentences, and add multiple independent references. For further ideas about development, take a look at existing articles about authors. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 19:53, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello, CatherineSellers. As well as what zzuuuzz said, I recommend you study Your first article before you embark on the difficult process of writing an article (not a "listing": this is and encyclpaedia, not a directory) in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 22:30, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

position of image

Hi there,

can anyone please help me with the position of an image (left of an infobox). It's about this page: Saint_Peter_and_Saint_Paul_Archipelago. The historic map (1839) should be placed higher, next of Darwin, and especially next of Ross. Can anyone fix that? I can't. Thanx in advance. --Dick Bos (talk) 20:05, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure why but it seems like it's being pushed below the infobox. This is likely so that you don't have an infobox and image together making one very small, and some would say unsightly, column of text in the middle of the article. †dismas†|^(talk) 21:45, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

I have used {{Stack begin}}.[5] PrimeHunter (talk) 22:09, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. --Dick Bos (talk) 22:25, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Steven French

I just created a stub article for a subject that meets entry levels requirements for notability on WP. However, I accidentally capitalized a letter in the last name: FRench. How can I correct this in the article title? [6] Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 23:44, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Resolved

By 'moving' the page. (Click on 'more' and select from the drop-down). I've done so in this instance but your account meets the criteria for doing so if need be in future. Eagleash (talk) 23:51, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

The automatically created redirect might be deleted under {{Db-r3}} as it seems unlikely that anyone would search for 'Steven FRench'.

I've re-read the 'rules'; doesn't apply to page moves. Eagleash (talk) 23:57, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Eagleash Next question: how do I send you a "cupcake"? Maineartists (talk) 23:58, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Absolutely no need... but to send that sort of thing, click on the heart icon at the top of a user's talk page. Eagleash (talk) 00:04, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Eagleash Do you think I should have listed it as "Steve French"? Maineartists (talk) 00:05, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

I just realized that his name is linked to several articles on WP as "Steve French". Will this pose a problem? Maineartists (talk) 00:07, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

'Steve' does seem to be the WP:COMMONNAME judging by the sources. Eagleash (talk) 00:12, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

I can't find any articles with this Steve French in, but there is a disambiguation page with others of the same name. He should probably be added to that. If you move the page again be aware of double re-directs. A bot will fix them but editors are encouraged not to leave them. If you move the page, you will get a link "what links here" clicking on that will show where the links are. Eagleash (talk) 00:30, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

• Eagleash I should have drafted this first. My apologies. Here are a few articles that mention French: [7] & [8]. In full disclosures, I have never "moved a page" before, and should have never submitted this page without that knowledge. Maineartists (talk) 00:41, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

You could pipe the links at the pages where he's mentioned. I.e. [[Steven French|Steve French]] but it the long run it might be redundant as it's always possible that the page would be moved by another editor in the future. I would hold off adding the links to the pages where he's mentioned until you decide whether to move the page again. Eagleash (talk) 00:54, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

November 24

Referencing errors on Ant and Bee

Reference help requested. How can I revert an article to what it was before I edited it (earlier today)?

About 4 hours ago, I added some text and a reference to the article "Ant and Bee". Somehow, this messed up pre-existing references, and a Wikipedia bot notified me of this. The easiest way for me to fix this would be to revert the page to what it was before I started editing it, and then start over., because I'm not sure exactly what the garbled references used to contain.

Thanks, Acwilson9 (talk) 03:41, 24 November 2016 (UTC) acwilson9

Never mind for now - I think that I have stumbled upon another way around this. Thanks, Acwilson9 (talk) 03:57, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello, It seems that I made a mistake to create the article "Phil Akashi". I wanted to create it on the English version of Wikipedia, and I think it is on the french one. How can I change that?

Thank you caroline — Preceding unsigned comment added by Art Plus shanghai (talk • contribs) 04:24, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Duplicate Pages

Can anyone help me delete Agneya singh or merge it with Agneya Singh? As you can see these are two identical pages but the first one has a capitalisation error in the last name. Any ideas on how this issue can be addressed? FilmForum61 (talk) 05:35, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

You seem to have blanked the page which has produced a speedy deletion request under criterion G7. However, did you create the new page by copy and paste? This is not something that should be done as the page history of the original page has to be retained. The page should have been 'moved'. (See WP:MOVE). The original page should be kept as a redirect and it may require a history merge. Eagleash (talk) 06:56, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

I blanked the page because it was created by error. I did not realise the last name was not correctly capitalised so I blanked it and shifted the contents to the correct page spelling. I realise I should have Moved the page but had already made the error by then. So should I wait for the speedy deletion or is there something you recommend that I can do in order to address the issue? I have redirected the page but that is just a temporary solution. Thanks for your help Eagleash! FilmForum61 (talk) 07:01, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

If you saying that you cut and pasted the content it will require a history merge I think. I believe this can only be performed by an Admin. If it gets deleted as speedy it will only confuse the issue, so I will remove the and create a redirect and req. hist merge. Eagleash (talk) 07:08, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Great thanks! That should hopefully solve the issue. However can the page be merged entirely? It will be confusing to have it listed as a duplicate for simply a capitalisation error. FilmForum61 (talk) 07:13, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Vague page

Zoovier - I came across this page today in the new album articles and I don't know what's going on with it. It has an infobox from an entirely different album and no other information. Should it be marked for deletion? --Jennica✿ ^{talk / contribs} 05:58, 24 November 2016 (UTC)