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Withdrawn nomination?

Hi! I recently withdrew my nomination for Kalpana Chawla due to instability/my failure to gather consensus before changing the date format (see the article's Talk page). Should I also remove it from the 2024 goal tracking? I did, at one point, nominate it. Spookyaki (talk) 15:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

@Spookyaki: Hey, sorry to hear about the difficulties with instability. I think it should probably be removed from the goal tracker if it was de-nominated. It can always be added again once it's re-nominated. --Grnrchst (talk) 14:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Removed it for now. Might renominate soon. Spookyaki (talk) 16:12, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

2024 GAN backlog

Hey all, hope everybody has had a wonderful year! We've gotten such much done as the Women in Green project this year, and I'm looking forward to the next one. In a few weeks time, in January 2025, another GAN Backlog Drive will be taking place. This will be another excellent chance to whittle away at the backlog of unreviewed good article nominations about women and women's works. If you fancy taking some of these on for review, it would be appreciated by the nominators and everyone else waiting for their own nominations to be reviewed:

• Swim School (nom) (6 April 2024)
• Chapel Hart (start) (4 May 2024)
• The Celebration Tour (nom) (8 May 2024)
• Jane Fonda's Workout (nom) (13 May 2024)
• Honey Revenge (nom) (25 May 2024)
• Barbara Zangerl (start) (25 May 2024)
• Alexandra Kiroi-Bogatyreva (nom) (7 June 2024)
• Space Babies (nom) (2 July 2024)
• Jennifer Jones (curler) (nom) (4 July 2024)
• Dead Pony (nom) (10 July 2024)
• Golden Girls (play) (start) (25 July 2024)
• Wargasm (start) (28 July 2024)
• Horses (album) (nom) (5 August 2024)
• Maisi (start) (10 August 2024)
• Keyshia Cole (start) (25 August 2024)
• Last Forever (start) (30 August 2024)
• Risa Hontiveros (start) (31 August 2024)
• 80's Ladies (start) (14 September 2024)
• Bottle Pop (start) (17 September 2024)
• Uncommitted National Movement (start) (20 September 2024)

If you review these during the GAN backlog drive, you will receive points that will make you eligible for barnstars. Once we get through this backlog, I'll begin collating newer nominations for us to review. Happy reviewing! --Grnrchst (talk) 14:29, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I am a co-ordinator for the January drive, and I would be glad if anyone here decides to join. Unlike the October drive, every nom in the GAN queue is eligible for points, with reviews of older nominations getting bonus points. Let's start 2025 by making women, and everyone else too, green. Happy reviewing! DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 06:54, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

20% women's biographies on English Wikipedia

Hello friends, if you follow Wikiproject Women in Red you might have seen that the proportion of women's biographies on English Wikipedia just tipped over 20% and it's a fatastic achievement for everyone!!! I'd like to do a post on Diff (the Wikimedia Foundation's blog) about it and would love to add perspectives from this project (as well as others) - a draft is here, please please add to it. If you can edit it before, I'm hoping to post something 18:00 UTC on 21 Dec Lajmmoore (talk) 14:56, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Hiroshima Maidens PR

Hi all! I see we're one away from the 2024 nomination goal. I was planning on nominating the article Hiroshima Maidens once I got some peer review feedback. If anyone would be willing to do that within the next few days, I think I could probably nominate it before the end of the year. Thanks! Spookyaki (talk) 01:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

We've reached the nomination goal! Thank you for getting us over that last hurdle, Spookyaki. :-) Alanna the Brave (talk) 23:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

WiG Goal Planning for 2025

Hi everyone,

Happy almost new year! We've done some great work in 2024 and have reached all our 2024 Women in Green goals for the year except for the #4 Peer Review/FAC reviews (13 out of 15, pretty darn close), so I'm just opening up a quick discussion of next year's goals. What would you like us to focus on? Is there anything you think we should do differently? Should we raise or lower targets? What events or initiatives would you like to see next? Personally, I think we could use a goal or event focusing on bringing Hot 100 articles up to GA status -- our Hot 100 candidates are piling up on the front page, but I feel like there's not much momentum to tackle that list. We should either do something with them, or perhaps drop the list entirely. (I think I've previously proposed running a Hot 100 "article of the month" that folks could work on collectively, but I dropped the ball and didn't manage to organize it.) Alanna the Brave (talk) 17:14, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

I am definitely open to working a Hot 100 event! I also like the idea of doing them in teams in some way. Because those articles are so important (and also frequently need to be pretty long), as a new editor, I find them pretty intimidating! If you need help organizing events like that, I may be able to help with some aspects, but since I'm still "learning the ropes" as it were, I might not be the best person to guide newcomers through the GA system.

I also think something focusing on FA content would be useful. It seems like the gap there is still larger than the GA gap, and because I'm less familiar with that process, it would be nice to be introduced to it in the way that I was introduced to the GA nomination process through the Around the World event.

We definitely squeaked across the line for some of our goals this year (meaning they probably represented our capacity quite well). It's possible that future events could raise our capacity, but for now, I think if we do raise the goals, it should be done conservatively. Spookyaki (talk) 18:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Spookyaki! Helpful feedback, and I appreciate the offer of help for future organizing. You're definitely not alone in finding those Hot 100 articles intimidating -- I'm going to tentatively add a new WiG goal for nominating three Hot 100 articles for GA status next year (just to see how it goes), and we can all chat about possible events/cooperative initiatives to help tackle that goal over the next few months. Maybe a new barnstar to recognize bringing a Hot 100 article up to GA status could also help boost general interest/motivation? Regarding FA content, I'm definitely open to considering how we might adapt our existing GA event structure for an FA editathon -- I've only been through the FA nomination process once myself, so I'll make a note to chat with other more experienced FA editors about this. I'll get started on updating our 2025 goal tracking page for tomorrow. @Grnrchst, Thebiguglyalien, AirshipJungleman29, BennyOnTheLoose, and Caeciliusinhorto: if you or any other folks have comments or suggestions about WiG plans for 2025, just drop a note here. Alanna the Brave (talk) 18:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

The thing about FA is that it's a fairly long, drawn-out process of preparation and nomination, and at the end of the day you do need genuine interest in the topic, otherwise we all might as well prioritise our limited time elsewhere. For that reason, I'm unsure if a collaborative effort would work. Maybe to GA, but for the sort of large articles found on the Hot 100, the same probably applies there. If we're after quantity, it might be best to ask editors who focus on modern Western entertainment—probably a quarter of the list falls into that category. I can probably only work on one, Irene of Athens. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29: You're right that FA is a longer, more drawn-out process -- I can't really see it becoming a main focus of Women in Green, but in terms of improving articles (and getting more front-page coverage of women on Wikipedia), it's certainly within our scope. Part of the aim of our GA editathons has been to help train new editors to do GA work themselves (grow skills and capacity), and in that respect I think group projects like an editathon event could hold similar value for helping train/boost confidence for new editors who are interested in FA work. Quality should still beat quantity though, in my opinion! :-) Alanna the Brave (talk) 02:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Having completed my first FAC only last year, which was a difficult enough process as to discourage me from moving forward with another, it would definitely be helpful for us to provide mentoring for new FAC nominators. The FAC process has a lot of unwritten rules and an opaque project culture, neither of which they like to admit, so any help navigating that would go a long way. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Grnrchst: I had the same impressions of the FAC process when I completed my lone FAC a few years ago -- it's tricky. Alanna the Brave (talk) 15:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Absolutely agree with Grnrchst. Many of the FAC reviewers give excellent, constuctive feedback, but it's easy to get discouraged when you see scores of review comments - some of which seem like nitpicks or things it would have been quicker for the reviewer to fix rather than write down. Going for peer review before FAC can be really useful. I've got a couple of articles that I will tweak before nominating: Pamela Stephenson and Shaparak Khorsandi - anyone should feel free to improve them or add comments to their talk pages! I'm willing in principle to help out with FAC nominations but I know my prose often fails to meet the required standards. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

The 30th anniversary of Jagged Little Pill is coming up, so in honor of that I will make making it green my goal. Trillfendi (talk) 05:31, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Trillfendi: Nice! That's a great project for 2025. Alanna the Brave (talk) 15:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Having a specific event to focus on the Hot 100 would be great. And I second Airship's suggestion to reach out to editors that focus on western entertainment, as that takes up a pretty large proportion of entries. We may also want to put a moratorium on further additions to future suggestions, as it's gotten 3-times longer than the stagnant Hot 100 and some of these entries are of questionable "hotness" (for lack of a better word).

I think something that might help get progress moving is to issue a general callout to our member list, asking them to take on one article in the Hot 100 this year. The 12-month length of time could limit the stress of improving the article in a short time, and if a couple people select the same entry, they could collaborate together (rather inorganically selecting one entry for an entire team who may not be interested in the subject to work on). Also, if someone sees someone else will be contributing to an article they're interested in, that might convince them to do a bit themselves (I know there's some entries, like Catherine the Great, that I am intimidated by because of the sheer scale of the task).

It might also be worth reaching out to people who have already been working on these articles to see if they would consider submitting for GA. Some of these articles already look more-or-less ready, so it might just take a wee nudge to get them nominated. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Grnrchst: Those all sound like good ideas, and I agree about closing the Hot 100 future suggestions for now. Would you be willing to draft a short WiG member callout sometime this month, just to kick off the new year? (Announcement that new goals are up, invitation to choose a Hot 100 article and/or join discussions for our 2025 plans, etc. You could borrow our usual event invitation template to work with if you like.) Alanna the Brave (talk) 15:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Absolutely! I'll write something up soon. --Grnrchst (talk) 15:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Alanna the Brave: I've written a 2025 Update on our mailing list page. Feel free to make any adjustments if you think I've missed something, and I'll get this sent out soon. --Grnrchst (talk) 16:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Grnrchst: Thanks for this! I made a few small edits (and added a mini fireworks image for a new year vibe, but feel free to remove that if it feels too cluttered). Should be good to go whenever you like. Alanna the Brave (talk) 01:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Agree that some of the B-class articles are probably close to being able to submit. Maybe we could message major editors and offer to do PR/CE on those articles? Spookyaki (talk) 18:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hot 100 project

In 2025, one of our goals is to submit some of the articles on our Hot 100 list as Good Article Nominations (GAN). In this talk page discussion, we'll be coordinating articles that our users may want to take on for improvement and eventually nomination. So if you see an article on the list that you are interested in, feel free to add it to this list and mark it as something you intend to contribute to over this year. If you see someone else has already added an article you're interested in, you can still add yourself and then collaborate with that user on improvements. Happy editing! --Grnrchst (talk) 16:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

List

1. Rosa Luxemburg – Polish-German Marxist revolutionary (1871–1919)
   • Grnrchst (talk) 16:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
2. Rosa Parks – American civil rights activist (1913–2005)
   • Spookyaki (talk) 17:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• I'm willing to help out. I did some work on the article back in 2023 but didn't get very far. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• According to the revision history statistics, you're actually the top editor by authorship attribution! In terms of major projects, I am currently working on Dolores Huerta's page and the GA review drive, so it might be a bit before I can get to her. I think my first planned step is to convert relevant book citations to sfn format. If you think you have time to do that before I do, feel free! But also no pressure. I'll get to it eventually if nobody else does. Spookyaki (talk) 18:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Discussion

If you have something to say about the Hot 100, feel free to discuss it here. --Grnrchst (talk) 16:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Spookyaki and BennyOnTheLoose: Fabulous to see interest in improving the Rosa Parks article further! I recently found out from Women in Red that the biography on Parks was the first ever biography about a woman to be written for Wikipedia, so getting it to GA would be a massive milestone for us. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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