Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trevoh Chalobah

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The result was moved to Draft:Trevoh Chalobah. bd2412 T 15:45, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Trevoh Chalobah

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Fails WP:GNG, non notable athlete without a senior appearance, and classic example of WP:TOOSOON Ortizesp (talk) 02:16, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

keep He may not have made his debut yet, but it is the fact he has an FA Cup winners medal despite never playing a competitive game, THAT is the very thing that makes him notable! Either he makes his debut soon and passes WP:Football or he remains the answer to a great quiz question. User: Hildreth gazzard User talk: Hildreth gazzard|talk]] 06.19, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:09, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:09, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:09, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:TOOSOON. Once he actually passes WP:NFOOTY (which he probably will by the end of August), the article can be restored. Number 5 7 13:18, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - in lots of publishers like East Anglian Daily Times, BBC Sport & ITV News Joaomufc (talk) 13:31, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Where's the source that says he actually has a medal? Even if he does, why does that make him notable? GiantSnowman 16:36, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- He put on his "Insta" (as I believe the kids call it) that he has a medal...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:12, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 03:37, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Draft Looks like a player who will qualify for a wiki article, but as of right now fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Govvy (talk) 18:55, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Draft - Although he has played for the England Youth teams and part of the article is sourced, it will only pass as an article if he makes a league or a senior team appearance. Iggy (Swan) 21:16, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:NFOOTBALL having never played in a fully professional league or a senior international fixture and does not have enough significant coverage to meet WP:GNG. Kosack (talk) 08:17, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Draftspace - clear case of WP:TOOSOON and article is certainly not notable yet, however I believe the best idea would be to move this to someone's draft space and than could be re-moved to be an article if and when the subject passes the notability guidelines. Inter&anthro (talk) 12:10, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played or managed senior international football nor played or managed in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 13:04, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or draft as WP:TOOSOON Atlantic306 (talk) 18:05, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep About 5,570 results in news search. Some of these are stories specifically about Chalobah. He passes WP:GNG. Jack N. Stock (talk) 01:10, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the oddity of his being on the roster for the FA Cup championship may or may not be enough for GNG. As he is almost certain to become notable by appearing for Ipswich in the course of the next two months, we should keep this, even though WP:NFOOTY is not met yet. power~enwiki (π, ν) 00:50, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We can't say for for sure that he will play, Wikipedia is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL. Kosack (talk) 05:54, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Yunshui ^雲 _水 10:23, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep WP:NFOOTBALL: Fail. WP:GNG: Not so clear. Over 8,000 search results on a Google News search is a lot for a player who has yet to make his senior debut. However, being an FA Cup winner (ie having been included in the matchday squad for the winning team in the final), especially at the age of 18 and having yet to even take to the field in a first-team match, makes me think this topic has sufficient encyclopedic value. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:29, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was getting over 5,500 news search results, now I'm getting over 9,000! I don't know what to think. Jack N. Stock (talk) 23:59, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Now 10,500...? Jack N. Stock (talk) 03:10, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you're searching right, I get 6800 results. Either way, I don't think new search results are particularly valid, Youssoufa Moukoko still doesn't and he has 10K plus results, and won't get a Wiki page until he formally debuts.--Ortizesp (talk) 03:06, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete on account of subject failing WP:NFOOTBALL, which I find to be too strict, but it is what it is. If subject fails WP:NFOOTBALL, then WP:GNG on its own is not enough. -The Gnome (talk) 08:48, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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