Talk:List of wars involving Somalia
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Stop the vandalism
editJavext why did you put the same result for the Ajuuran Portuguese wars as the ottoman-Portuguese wars. None of the sources mention Mombasa and Pete before 1542 in relation to Somalis. You also blatantly misattributed sources for example Bruce’s book never takes about Portuguese beyond this one paragraph. As you can see at has nothing to do with a war between the protegiese and Ajuuran, “During this time the Portuguese also arrived along the East African coast (1498) and began to establish an economic and military presence along the trade routes of the Indian Ocean. Over the next 250 years, they played a key role in shaping regional dynamics, although the Benadir Coast remained outside their direct control, and Mogadishu was able to retain its autonomy within the Indian Ocean trading world.” I will be removing your vandalism Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 15:10, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @Matan ibn Uthman.
- I did not put the same result for those conflicts and i have no idea where you got that from. I would also like tell you that the conflict in question was not a war, but rather a series of conflicts hence why i put "wars" and not "war" (if it makes you uncomfortable and you would like to change to "conflicts", i have no problem). The conflicts begin in 1507 with the Battle of Barawa. The sources already mentioned, demonstrate how the portuguese recaptured the important cities of Pate, Mombasa and Kilwa from the somali forces by 1542. If you are not convinced enough, i will gladly add more sources to stop this edit war. Thanks. Javext (talk) 18:30, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- No they don’t I’ve read those works they don’t say that. You even put a COVID 19 article for proof of the Ottoman Portuguese conflict. Mombasa and Pete were captured after 1542 in 1585. Now if you were referring to the conflicts such as the battle of Barawa and Vasco de Gamas shelling of Mogadishu you should add that. Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 19:01, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- You are confusing the sources, It was not me who added a covid sources for the ottoman portuguese conflicts and you can go ahead and remove it. Mombasa and Pate were indeed recaptured in 1542. Mombasa was also conquered by the ottomans in 1586 but later recovered by the portuguese in 1589. As you see the conflict in question only mentions the ajuran sultanate however I have no problem of changing it to "somali-portuguese conflicts" and link it to the page. Just let me know if you agree 👍 Thanks, Javext (talk) 19:18, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- You got a source from them taking Pate in ‘42 the first sources doesn’t say anything about pate and the second is inaccesible Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 20:13, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- I can’t find any source talking about Ajuuran being involved in the 86-89 conflicts Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 20:15, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- You are confusing the sources, It was not me who added a covid sources for the ottoman portuguese conflicts and you can go ahead and remove it. Mombasa and Pate were indeed recaptured in 1542. Mombasa was also conquered by the ottomans in 1586 but later recovered by the portuguese in 1589. As you see the conflict in question only mentions the ajuran sultanate however I have no problem of changing it to "somali-portuguese conflicts" and link it to the page. Just let me know if you agree 👍 Thanks, Javext (talk) 19:18, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- No they don’t I’ve read those works they don’t say that. You even put a COVID 19 article for proof of the Ottoman Portuguese conflict. Mombasa and Pete were captured after 1542 in 1585. Now if you were referring to the conflicts such as the battle of Barawa and Vasco de Gamas shelling of Mogadishu you should add that. Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 19:01, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Zinnober9I think you should look at this Talk Page we already discussed this and concluded that Somali states had nothing to do with most of these wars Matan ibn Uthman (talk) 02:29, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Article will be reformatted
editAfter looking into this article. Not only is the content in the article erroneous but misleading. The modern Somali state gained independence in 1960 and the aforementioned states in the article such as Adal or Ifat are not successor states. Their capitals weren't based in Somalia's borders either. There should be separate articles for the Ifat, Ajuuran and Adal sultanates discussing the Somali-Portugeuse conflicts. All edits will be reverted until a consensus is reached. Replayerr (talk) 14:26, 7 March 2024 (UTC)