Talk:Abstract labour and concrete labour

Changed intro and image placement

FYI

 – Section heading added by Undead Shambles (talk) 18:35, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

The introduction was too long so I put everything except for the first sentence into the first section called "Origin". I've also moved the picture from the upper right to the left of the first section. I'm not happy with that place, but it seems to be the least worse.--Tomvasseur (talk) 23:41, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Tidy up

FYI

 – Section heading added by Undead Shambles (talk) 18:35, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

I have tidied up the notes and references in the text that I wrote.Jurriaan (talk) 19:07, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

A concern

Jurriaan, why have you repeatedly added this? It is absurd and obviously false. To the extent that the cited source actually says so, we shall have to stop relying that source in other articles. bobrayner (talk) 12:27, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Bob Rayner, why do you keep deleting text, and vandalizing this article, without explanation or reference to any sources? I will combat your criminal, corrupt activity as much as I can. Obviously I have not placed articles here free of charge only to see them ruined by incompetents. Jurriaan (talk) 13:59, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

You have repeatedly added this:

In official economics, workers do not exist anymore; they are just an abstract "factor of production" or a "labour input" or a "consumer".

This is wrong. It is not true. This absurd pseudoeconomic rant has no place in a wikipedia article. I recognise that you are angry, but my ability to distinguish reality from fantasy, and distinguish reliable economic sources from Counterpunch, does not make me criminal and corrupt. The problem lies elsewhere. First, could you stop the personal attacks? Then perhaps we could look into what reliable sources say. bobrayner (talk) 21:10, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

"This is wrong". WHY is it wrong??? Because Bob Rayner says so! That is not good enough. Find me one standard economic textbook which discusses workers in any way other than as a factor of production, a consumer or a labour input, please!212.64.48.162 (talk) 14:38, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Do you understand that you're contradicting yourself? You insist that the article must say "In official economics, workers do not exist anymore" but here you seem to concede that economics considers workers in various ways. I just reached for this textbook off my bookshelf, and it mentions workers over and over again in different contexts. As would most economics textbooks. bobrayner (talk) 00:02, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

It is certainly true that Karl Case, rather unusually, mentions workers in his texts. But he discusses them only as a factor of production, a consumer or a labour input. (I am basing myself on the recent editions of his books). Workers as human beings or creators of wealth for entrepreneurs are not in evidence.Jurriaan (talk) 13:32, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism

I would appreciate it if Bob Rayner would refrain from chopping chunks out of the article without explanation, by "royal decree" as it were, since in that case I have to reinsert all the bits again and reference them separately when I develop the article further.Jurriaan (talk) 11:21, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

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