Wikidata:Property proposal/background of death

background of death

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person

Not done

Description	évènement historique au cours duquel la mort est survenue
Data type	Item
Domain	human (Q5)
Example 1	Charb (Q2957653) → Charlie Hebdo shooting (Q18718876)
Example 2	Herbert C. Jones (Q5733751) → Attack on Pearl Harbor (Q52418)
Example 3	Timothy Maude (Q7807388) → September 11 attacks (Q10806)
Example 4	Ayrton Senna (Q10490) → 1994 San Marino Grand Prix (Q171552)
Example 5	Christophe de Margerie (Q346081) → 2014 Vnukovo Airport Falcon 50 crash (Q8929770)
Example 6	Galéas de Saint-Séverin (Q3094565) → Battle of Pavia (Q63468)

Motivation

Currently we cannot link a person with the event that led to their death. The property name in English may not be the right one but the objective of this property is to store the historical event during which death occurred. As such, it's different from Wikidata:Property proposal/context of death that intends to store the "societal context" of death. Ayack (talk) 10:08, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support Ayack (talk) 10:08, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I know it might be verbose, but we already have many properties for causes and effects: has cause (P828) can be used for any event that ultimately causes an effect: Charb (Q2957653)significant event (P793)death (Q4)has cause (P828)Charlie Hebdo shooting (Q18718876). A more specific property is has immediate cause (P1478), for events that are more proximately related. Anyway, both properties can be used in many events, not just for deaths. cause of death (P509) shouldn't be used in this case, this property indicates the physical condition that ultimately causes the death on a person, in this case, gunshot wound (Q2140674). --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 05:47, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This would be an inverse property for victim(s) (P8032); I can see a need for events that have a large number of victims, as it's better to document this in the reverse direction rather than have a long list attached to the event. However Tinker Bell's approach seems fine to me there. For events with only a few victims this is an unnecessary inverse. ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:06, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To discuss this well we actually need a good English property name and description and talk about the scope. The current proposal is quite unclear about the scope.ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 20:34, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]