Talk:Q2478141
Autodescription — aristocrat (Q2478141)
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So what is the rationale for this object to be an instance of "occupation"? Occupation implies the individual does work, yet one of the defining qualities of an aristocrat is that they live off the profits of others, either as rentiers or as privileges related to their title. Frequently, it is implied that they have no marketable skills, a point made by Luigi Barzini Jr. in his book The Europeans (1983) with the question, "Would you want to be treated by a doctor with an aristocratic title?" In contrast, someone with a noble title (either granted or inherited) who lives off their own labor is often referred to by the rank of their other profession (e.g, general, professor, CEO, etc.) And there are many examples of impoverished aristocrats: individuals of the upper classes, usually with titles, who have few or no sources of passive income to support themselves. -- Llywrch (talk) 21:04, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
- I fully agree. And even more if this object is appointed to minors. Child labour is not allowed in most of the countries. I'd suggest to put the right title(s) in P97 (noble title) and leaving Q2478141 out of the occupation-property. - RonnieV (talk) 21:38, 8 May 2019 (UTC)