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bookshelves: short-stories-and-novellas, death-grief-bereavement-mortality, ageing-and-old-age
Jan 07, 2023
bookshelves: short-stories-and-novellas, death-grief-bereavement-mortality, ageing-and-old-age
One day, I’ll be glad I read this story, but right now, it hurts. It was either exactly the right time for me to have read it or very much not.
It opens with a poignant description of a solitary old man, the last customer of the night, as he often is, drinking outside a café, “in the shadow the leaves of the tree made against the electric light”.
Then you’re hit by this exchange between the two waiters:
“‘Last week he tried to commit suicide,’ one waiter said.
‘Why?’
‘He was in despair.’
‘What about?’
‘Nothing.’
‘How do you know it was nothing?’
‘He has plenty of money.’”
The right tolife death
The comment about money is thoughtless rather than unkind, though a later comment to the old man, who the waiter knows is deaf, is certainly mean. What struck me more was that the old man’s niece had intervened to prevent his suicide - without apparently doing anything to improve his life or happiness.
The right to live one's life as one likes (within the bounds of the law, and hopefully of kindness to others) is a fundamental human right.
But surely one also has the right to end one's life as and when one likes (though again, one should be considerate of those affected)?
How one reacts and doesn't, to self-destructive behaviour and possible suicide, whether in others or oneself, is fraught with painful questions, and no clear guidance on how to answer them. Some who are pulled back from the brink live to be glad of it, but by no means all. I don’t think there’s a way to tell who will be in which camp.
Whether staring into the abyss or up to the heavens, letting go can be appealing…
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Image: Hands reaching up towards the sun, but is it for rescue or abandonment? (Source)
Hemingway died by suicide, albeit nearly thirty years after writing this story. If someone had intervened, maybe we'd have more of his writings to enjoy, but that doesn't necessarily mean it would have been the right thing to do. And yet who could knowingly let someone who isn't terminally ill go ahead with it?
Other themes
Most readers probably focus on ageing and attitudes to age, the need for comfort and light (but oddly, not necessarily for company), and the meaning of life. I couldn’t get past the suicide theme, along with the nihilism of the older waiter.
There are the three ages of man: the young waiter eager to get home to his wife; the middle-aged and single insomniac waiter who is sympathetic to, and identifies somewhat with the old man, and the old man himself.
The young waiter says:
“‘I wouldn't want to be that old. An old man is a nasty thing.’
The older waiter counters with the dignity of the old man, and resists closing the café and sending the old man to a bar:
“Each night I am reluctant to close up because there may be some one who needs the café.”
Later, he asks himself:
“What did he fear? It was not a fear or dread. It was a nothing that he knew too well. It was all a nothing and a man was a nothing too. It was only that and light was all it needed and a certain cleanness and order.”
The old man just asks for (yet) another brandy.
Drowning his sorrows or a slower route to suicide?
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Image: Light and the dark, from the shadow of leaves (Source)
See also
• Something about this made me immediately think of Edward Hopper’s famous painting, Nighthawks. However, this is set in Spain, and the lonely customer is sitting outside a clean, well-lighted café that is explicitly not a bar - although he is drinking alcohol.
• The two observing waiters, from different generations, came to mind when I read the less pleasant scenario of three roofers lusting after a woman in Doris Lessing's A Woman on a Roof, which I reviewed HERE.
• Literary-themed tribute to my late father, who died by suicide, HERE.
• Ali Smith uses this title as the title of one of the short stories in her collection, Public library and other stories, which I reviewed HERE.
Short story club
I read this as one of the stories in The Art of the Short Story, by Dana Gioia, from which I'm aiming to read one story a week with The Short Story Club, starting 2 May 2022.
You can read this story here.
You can join the group here.
It opens with a poignant description of a solitary old man, the last customer of the night, as he often is, drinking outside a café, “in the shadow the leaves of the tree made against the electric light”.
Then you’re hit by this exchange between the two waiters:
“‘Last week he tried to commit suicide,’ one waiter said.
‘Why?’
‘He was in despair.’
‘What about?’
‘Nothing.’
‘How do you know it was nothing?’
‘He has plenty of money.’”
The right to
The comment about money is thoughtless rather than unkind, though a later comment to the old man, who the waiter knows is deaf, is certainly mean. What struck me more was that the old man’s niece had intervened to prevent his suicide - without apparently doing anything to improve his life or happiness.
The right to live one's life as one likes (within the bounds of the law, and hopefully of kindness to others) is a fundamental human right.
But surely one also has the right to end one's life as and when one likes (though again, one should be considerate of those affected)?
How one reacts and doesn't, to self-destructive behaviour and possible suicide, whether in others or oneself, is fraught with painful questions, and no clear guidance on how to answer them. Some who are pulled back from the brink live to be glad of it, but by no means all. I don’t think there’s a way to tell who will be in which camp.
Whether staring into the abyss or up to the heavens, letting go can be appealing…
![](https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/hostedimages/1673104426i/33810158._SX540_.jpg)
Image: Hands reaching up towards the sun, but is it for rescue or abandonment? (Source)
Hemingway died by suicide, albeit nearly thirty years after writing this story. If someone had intervened, maybe we'd have more of his writings to enjoy, but that doesn't necessarily mean it would have been the right thing to do. And yet who could knowingly let someone who isn't terminally ill go ahead with it?
Other themes
Most readers probably focus on ageing and attitudes to age, the need for comfort and light (but oddly, not necessarily for company), and the meaning of life. I couldn’t get past the suicide theme, along with the nihilism of the older waiter.
There are the three ages of man: the young waiter eager to get home to his wife; the middle-aged and single insomniac waiter who is sympathetic to, and identifies somewhat with the old man, and the old man himself.
The young waiter says:
“‘I wouldn't want to be that old. An old man is a nasty thing.’
The older waiter counters with the dignity of the old man, and resists closing the café and sending the old man to a bar:
“Each night I am reluctant to close up because there may be some one who needs the café.”
Later, he asks himself:
“What did he fear? It was not a fear or dread. It was a nothing that he knew too well. It was all a nothing and a man was a nothing too. It was only that and light was all it needed and a certain cleanness and order.”
The old man just asks for (yet) another brandy.
Drowning his sorrows or a slower route to suicide?
![](https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/hostedimages/1673129945i/33811343._SX540_.png)
Image: Light and the dark, from the shadow of leaves (Source)
See also
• Something about this made me immediately think of Edward Hopper’s famous painting, Nighthawks. However, this is set in Spain, and the lonely customer is sitting outside a clean, well-lighted café that is explicitly not a bar - although he is drinking alcohol.
• The two observing waiters, from different generations, came to mind when I read the less pleasant scenario of three roofers lusting after a woman in Doris Lessing's A Woman on a Roof, which I reviewed HERE.
• Literary-themed tribute to my late father, who died by suicide, HERE.
• Ali Smith uses this title as the title of one of the short stories in her collection, Public library and other stories, which I reviewed HERE.
Short story club
I read this as one of the stories in The Art of the Short Story, by Dana Gioia, from which I'm aiming to read one story a week with The Short Story Club, starting 2 May 2022.
You can read this story here.
You can join the group here.
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![Cecily](https://images.gr-assets.com/users/1480285828p1/1199525.jpg)
Literal dark and thus metaphorical and psychological, I presume. How sad for him, but relevant when looking at his writing, especially on such a dark subject as death and suicide. Thanks, Ken.
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You wondered if the man's drinking was a slow route to death and I often wonder the same thing when I see people in self-destructive behavior. I probably couldn't have gotten past the suicide theme in the novel either.
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He took his own life on the same day and month I was born (only I was born two years later).
Your review is excellent, as always; what I remember most is the play on words that Hemmingway did with "Our Father".
I agree with you, about our right to decide over our life or death.
You can feel the pain of loss in your Literary-themed tribute to my late father. I already lost both my parents; my mother passed away last year and I couldn't be with her in the last moments of her life; I arrived eleven hours too late, so I understand the pain of losing someone who has always been by our side throughout our lives.
it's amazing that I read your review when I'm re-reading "The Orange Girl". If you already read it, you understand what I mean, if not, I recommend that you read it.
After my mother's death, oddly enough, I found some comfort in Kafka's words:
Everything you love will probably be lost, but in the end, love will return in another way.
At least that's what I want to believe.
P.S.
Didn't "Office in a Small City" by Hopper" remind you of Bartleby, the Scrivener?
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I hope your thinking on the subject is interesting and useful, rather than depressing. I wouldn't want to push anyone to gloom, but with this story, that would be an easy thing to do.
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I wish you productive and painless ponderings. Thanks, Zoeytron.
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As am I - in theory. The practicalities are a little harder: protecting frail wealthy people from opportunistic beneficiaries is often-cited. There's a practical and emotional difficulty as well. My father had long been a member of a pro-euthanasia campaign group, but I had told him that even if he were in pain with a terminal diagnosis and I knew it was the best thing for him, I didn't think I could actively assist (even if there was no legal risk to me). So when he died, my initial thought was that he'd done it while he could do so without assistance. Maybe he did, but his doctor gave a detailed report for the inquest that said he had no major health issues, beyond being in his seventies.
Jenna wrote: "... You wondered if the man's drinking was a slow route to death and I often wonder the same thing when I see people in self-destructive behavior..."
Could be, or might just be self-medication to dull the pain of existence.
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Thanks on both counts. Public libraries here have long housed things beyond books: meeting rooms for social service clients, free-to-use computer terminals, advice and support services. This winter, some are explicitly being used as "warm banks" - places people can go when they can't afford to heat their home (if they have one), given the massively increased domestic fuel bills this year.
s.penkevich wrote: "... I remember reading this for class in high school and we skipped right over the suicide theme, I should revisit this."
I can see why teachers might be wary of focusing on the suicide angle, and yet suicide is a major (main?) cause of death in teen boys, so although they wouldn't related to the age of the man, it might be a good way to tackle the subject. What you may not remember is that even by the standards of short stories, this is short, so fitting in a reread would be easy, timewise.
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He took his own life on the same day and month I was born..."
What a curious link, a bond, even. I hope your life is happier and less blighted though.
Paulo wrote: "... what I remember most is the play on words that Hemmingway did with "Our Father"..."
That was very neat, and probably blasphemous to some readers.
Paulo wrote: "... You can feel the pain of loss in your Literary-themed tribute to my late father. I already lost both my parents..."
Thanks. It's more than four years now, so I've acclimatised. However, at the weekend, when I was writing this review, I found another cache of his papers and letters. I think and hope it's the last, but it did trigger various difficult feelings.
I'm sorry you've lost both your parents, and especially that you were unable to reach your mother before she died.
Paulo wrote: "... I found some comfort in Kafka's words:
Everything you love will probably be lost, but in the end, love will return in another way..."
That's very helpful quote. Thank you.
Paulo wrote: "... Didn't "Office in a Small City" by Hopper" remind you of Bartleby, the Scrivener?..."
Not me, though I have great admiration for both, and have reviewed a book of poems inspired by Hopper's art, HERE.
Paulo wrote: "... No, no depression or gloom. I just enjoy your reviews and wanted to say something positive. I hope I wasn't inconvenienced or out of place."
Nothing out of place. Thank you for your interesting and personal comments Paulo.
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Productive and positive thoughts, I hope, Linda. Thanks.
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The timing was especially poignant, as writing the review coincided with finding some more of his papers. Thanks for your kind words, le chat.
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Thank you for this thoughtful suggestion. Reading the blurb and a couple of friends' reviews, I see why you mentioned it. However, I think it's not for me, but I appreciate you mentioning it and will look out for your review.
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It is something that runs in some families, sadly for those left behind.
Jan C wrote: "If people intend to kill themselves they will find a way..."
I think that's true, which is another reason why I'm wary about how much one should intervene to prevent someone doing so.
I'm sorry you've lost your parents, but glad your father was able to spare himself - and you - further suffering, and that your mother's doctors were pragmatic.
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True, just looked it up and it is rather short. Might do that tonight after bookclub. I've been meaning to give his Nick Adams stories a try too.
It's interesting, we read a lot of Hemingway in high school but often bypassed MAJOR aspects of the book (we read The Sun Also Rises and completely ignored the constant phallic imagery for example). It was also during a time the older canon of stories was starting to be replaced so I wonder if it was teachers awkwardly like "lets just get through this one last time" haha
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Many good memories, thank you, as well as the inevitable painful ones. As you say, we can never fully know what anyone else is feeling. Thanks, Connie.
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Thanks, Carmen. It's not a story I'd urge anyone to read, but if my review has prompted thoughts and discussion, that's probably good.
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Join us the GR Short Story Club: we've still got another thirty or so to go, and you can read and comment on old threads. The link is at the end of my review.
Steven Godin wrote: "... Like other Hemingway short stories, some of which I too found online for free, I actually got more out of this than I did from the likes of The Old Man and the Sea."
Given his very plain prose, perhaps that works better in the short form - and even The Old Man is more of a novella than novel.
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A good friend who lived a wonderful life of activism and joy (we went to Waziristan with Imran Khan /Codepink in 2012 together to protest USA drone bombings, among many other actions) recently chose to be on her way. She had decided it was her time, found a place in Switzerland that (with all proper bells and whistles completed) one can do that. She put on a beautiful Syrian dress, smiled, held the hand of her best friend and her son, and went to sleep.
First, however, my friend traveled around the world, visiting friends to say good-bye and be roundly feted - feeble as she was by then - she still looked good in a superhero cape I had specially made.
So sorry about your father. When my brother chose that way at out 35 - it took me many years to turn my confusion and guilt into nostalgic love and and flawed, but much less painful, understanding, but it did come. May your 2023 find you sweetness.
![Cecily](https://images.gr-assets.com/users/1480285828p1/1199525.jpg)
Maybe it was cathartic, and I needed it. Time may tell. Thanks, Petra.
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I'm glad you're much better, and that you're also more comfortable with the idea of death, since it comes to us all, whether we hasten it or not. My feelings have certainly changed a lot, and not consistently, in the last few years: a combination of my father's suicide, me getting older, and the ebb and flow of a background default of mild depression. But GR is my happy place. Thank you for your kind words, dianne.
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Sometimes the pain is necessary to face the truth and grow from it. The problem is, one doesn't know until months or years later. Thanks, Kathleen.
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I've not read a lot of Hemingway, but from what I have, I certainly admire him as a writer, and this is superbly written.
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On the basis of this, I'm not surprised.
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Thank you on both counts. I enjoyed The Old Man and the Sea, but not Men Without Women. However, I read the latter years ago. Reading this story shows I should consider reading more of him.