Talk:President of the United States

I suggest rather that we talk about all the various Presidents of the United States seen in Transformers in just one comprehensive article. It's just a title and not a single man. --ItsWalky 17:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Or woman! ('Cause, Cybertron.) --KilMichaelMcC 17:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I am so sad she wasn't Alexis. --ItsWalky 17:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I woudl generally agree- but this guy is a major player in the Keepers trilogy. he has evil pots, and orders secret assasinations, and is generally a no-good shit. Just food for thought.

Move it if you like, I'll adapt. -Derik 18:22, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I think real-world Earth things that show up in multiple continuities should get a single comprehensive page. For example, if Madonna was mentioned in the Armada comic, I don't think we should have a Madonna (G1) page and a Madonna (UT) page. Likewise, we have one Atlantis -- agh, Madonna just showed up on CNN, odd timing -- page and single pages for New York, Tokyo, etc. I think President of the United States falls under that precedent. --ItsWalky 18:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I've been noticing a LOT of skipped heading levels recently, usually 1-3, whichs eems frankly bizare to me. -Derik 04:06, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, She Is a Girl

I have no problem with letting the word "girl" stand if it's an in-joke, but why do people have a problem with "And good for her."? JW 20:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I dunno. I know what you're going for, but despite that, it sounds kinda condescending. I keep wanting to add "And she's so articulate!" --ItsWalky 20:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I know what you're going for, but despite that, it sounds kinda condescending. Eh, fair point. I'll mull it over. JW 20:31, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Slick Willie

Where's the Slick reference from?

Also, the S7 archives (flashing by in the movie) included mentions of several former Presidents by last name, including Clinton, but never (I think) identified as Presidents. -Derik 11:42, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

Simmons says something like "every U.S. president since [whoever was president when they built the thing; Hoover?] has seen this facility. Ike, JFK, LBJ, Tricky Dick, blahblahblah, Ronnie (or Teflon Ronnie?), blahblah, Slick Willie, and Dubya, have all seen what you're about to see." Unfortunately, we'll probably never know the exact wording, unless someone happens to have bootlegged an IMAX showing--and after two years no signs of that have surfaced. --Thylacine 2000 11:52, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

Reorganize?

The current organization of this page is... a bit odd. (and inaccurate, since Plague of the Insecticons isn't, properly speaking, part of the core Marvel comics continuity.)

It's been observed that one of the few out-fiction we "allow" ourselves to know is the President's 'number.' (EG: the 16th president of the United States.) How would people feel about reorganizing this page to be by number? So we'd have a section for the 39th president, the 40th president, etc. I think there will be less messiness using this method than we currently face.

This would have the advantage of strongly delineating between fictional and nonfictional Presidents of the United States. Fictional ones don't get referred to by numbers. Example: According to The Keepers Trilogy, the Dreamwave POTUS was facing re-election in 2002, so it's hard to say what "President Number" he is. (I think that's possible under the U.S. Constitution too... some circumstance with a death in-office can push a presidential election on the next 2-year cycle.)

We've held off creating a visual/template language to clearly mark in-fiction/out-fiction/non-fictional content... but this strikes me as one of the pages it'd be useful to make the distinction on. We have fictional vice-presidents succeeding non-fictional ones!

For a page like Simon Furman it's clear because we have a "Fiction" section. In this cause it's fiction-about-nonfictional-people mixed with fiction-about-fictional-people. And as much as we strive for outfiction-agnosticism... I feel like a distinction really ought to be made. -Derik 16:18, 24 September 2009 (EDT)

Sounds pretty good, but where would the fictional ones go? Tacked on the end?

No there isn't any circumstance where a presidential election would have happened in '02. - Starfield 16:37, 24 September 2009 (EDT)

Yeah - as I understand it, the only important thing in constitutional terms about the two-year mark is that, if the president dies in office before it, the VP/replacement can only be elected once (i.e., his time as a replacement counts as their first term), but if there's less than two years to go, then they can have two full terms on top of it. - SanityOrMadness 16:51, 24 September 2009 (EDT)

Many years later but prior to the 25th amendment in 1967 a lot of issues relating to Presidential vacancies were not actually resolved by the constitution and it was really only because John Tyler was forceful and had enough political backing in April 1841 that the precedent was set that the Veep became President for the rest of the fixed four year term rather than merely acting in the post until a new election had been held. The latter view was current at the time and in different circumstances might have prevailed. Alternatively fiction can have elections in different years from reality just as much as different presidents - wasn't the cycle in the West Wing two years out of sync with reality? Timrollpickering (talk) 17:32, 3 March 2014 (EST)

Obama

No snarky comment on Obama? Fixed. 68.61.240.172 10:07, 23 November 2009 (EST)

I didn't get it, but hope you will find the alternative adequately snarky. --Thylacine 2000 10:15, 23 November 2009 (EST)

Heck, it's not like that quote was even that snarky - that was exactly what Obama tried to do in ROTF. True to life n such! - McFeely, not signed in

I'm fine with the change, although it's not as biting, the other one was a quote from Senator Obama about Iran, just changing the president of Iran to Megatron and Isreal to humanity, but it was too long winded. 207.181.17.24 11:45, 23 November 2009 (EST)

President Colton?

No mention of the President of the U.S. in Shattered Glass? 68.61.240.172 10:12, 23 November 2009 (EST)

Real world impact of Reagan on Transformers

Might there be a place where it should be mentioned that it was Ronald Reagan's deregulation on televison broadcast requirements that allowed the Transformers TV series to exist at all? Before him the show would have been considered illegal by the FCC as a half hour commercial to the kids. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,966110,00.html 98.209.153.136 18:19, 27 January 2011 (EST)

Maybe if Ronald Reagan had his own article. --ItsWalky 18:42, 27 January 2011 (EST)

1927

The page says:

The 2007 film refers to President Hoover forming Sector Seven in 1927, forgetting that President Coolidge was in charge at the time. IDW's Sector 7 miniseries jumped through hoops to have Hoover in a position to form S7 before he became the Prez.

I see no mention whatsoever of “1927” in its screenplay. If so, where does the detail about it being in 1927 come from actually. If it is not the movie where that year comes from, were the comics really trying to be coherent with it (and if so, again, taking it from where) or were they the ones introducing it? --Elmimmo (talk) 06:49, 28 August 2023 (EDT)

Tom Banachek says that Sector Seven was "convened under President Hoover 80 years ago." Taken literally that would place it in 1927 (2007 minus 80), but the very act of taking a line like that as mathematically precise is a grade-A example of wiki-pedantry. - Chris McFeely (talk) 15:52, 28 August 2023 (EDT)