Property talk:P726
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person or party that is an option for an office in this election
Description | person or party listed as an option for office in an election.
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Represents | political candidate (Q19772737) | |||||||||
Data type | Item | |||||||||
Domain | public election (Q40231), political campaign (Q847301), election campaign (Q11642595) or electoral result (Q19571328) | |||||||||
Allowed values | person or party (note: this should be moved to the property statements) | |||||||||
Usage notes | qualify with votes received (P1111) | |||||||||
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Tracking: usage | Category:Pages using Wikidata property P726 (Q26250046) | |||||||||
See also | successful candidate (P991), votes received (P1111), candidacy in election (P3602), candidate number (P4243), running mate (P6149) | |||||||||
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Proposal discussion | Proposal discussion | |||||||||
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List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P726#Type Q40231, Q847301, Q11642595, Q19571328, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P726#Value type Q5, Q7210356, Q22137478, Q99659193, Q19772737, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P726#allowed qualifiers, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P726#Item P541, search, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P726#Entity types
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P726#Scope, SPARQL
FIXME: Sample values: nominated candidate (Q26696038), candidate featured in polls (Q26696048); sample item: Q22676594#P726 (Help)
Violations query:
SELECT ?item ?value ?qualifiervalue WHERE { ?item p:P726 ?statement . ?statement ps:P726 ?value . ?statement pq:P3831 ?qualifiervalue . MINUS { ?statement pq:P3831 ?qualifiervalue . ?qualifiervalue wdt:P31 wd:Q26696044 } }
List of this constraint violations: [[Wikidata:Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P726#Qualifier object of statement has role (P3831) should have a value of the class candidate status (Q26696044)|Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P726#Qualifier object of statement has role (P3831) should have a value of the class candidate status (Q26696044)]]
Discussion
editDo we need "candidature" items ?
editSee the discussion Do we need "candidature" items ?.--Dom (talk) 05:59, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Wrong approach
editHoi, given that a candidate can be hundreds of people per election per office it is the wrong approach. A person is a candidate for an office on a given date maybe for a given electoral district. Having it as a statement for the person informs about the person and using query you can have all the details in any order that you like. Better still, it scales. GerardM (talk) 06:03, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Eligible candidates
editFor many offices, the field of candidates may be large and formal requirements vary from one country to another. As Innocent bystander noted , one might even become the candidate for a party without being a member of that party. A property for a candidate status before this was rejected [1]. As P726 is the only property for candidates, the exact status may need to be reflected with qualifiers.
--- Jura 08:14, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
- I added made two items (Special:WhatLinksHere/Q26696044) that can be used with P794 (P794) to clarify the status of the candidacy. Sample at Q22676594#726.
--- Jura 09:21, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
- Qualifier got changed to object of statement has role (P3831). Updated this above.
--- Jura 13:07, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
- Qualifier got changed to object of statement has role (P3831). Updated this above.
Property used for electoral district?
editOriginally, this property was meant to be used to link political candidate (Q19772737) to public election (Q40231). However, equally needed is a property to link political candidate (Q19772737) to electoral unit (Q192611). Actually, this property is already used in such a way, violating the subject type constraint (Q21503250). Is there any reasons for not making that an 'official use' by adding electoral unit (Q192611) to the subject type constraint (Q21503250), and requiring the use of the qualifier elected in (P2715).--Tdombos (talk) 12:37, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
- Do you have a sample for this new use?
--- Jura 13:07, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
- Mainz (electoral district) (Q1008388)--Tdombos (talk) 13:14, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
- I try to visualize what happens when the electoral district is an item like Rhineland-Palatinate (Q1200).
--- Jura 13:47, 2 April 2018 (UTC)- In general, there is a legitimate discussion whether it would be better to record candidacy data in the political candidate (Q19772737) item via candidacy in election (P3602), rather then recording this data on the public election (Q40231) or electoral unit (Q192611) (see discussion above). But as long as we have it for public election (Q40231) we can also have it for electoral unit (Q192611) as the number of candidates will be significantly lower for electoral unit (Q192611). --Tdombos (talk) 14:42, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
- I think the use on items for elections is not for items about countless positions to fill. For general elections, recording it on the items for candidates seems preferable. I think for Finland, it was done recently.
--- Jura 14:52, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
- I think the use on items for elections is not for items about countless positions to fill. For general elections, recording it on the items for candidates seems preferable. I think for Finland, it was done recently.
- In general, there is a legitimate discussion whether it would be better to record candidacy data in the political candidate (Q19772737) item via candidacy in election (P3602), rather then recording this data on the public election (Q40231) or electoral unit (Q192611) (see discussion above). But as long as we have it for public election (Q40231) we can also have it for electoral unit (Q192611) as the number of candidates will be significantly lower for electoral unit (Q192611). --Tdombos (talk) 14:42, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
- I try to visualize what happens when the electoral district is an item like Rhineland-Palatinate (Q1200).
- Mainz (electoral district) (Q1008388)--Tdombos (talk) 13:14, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Leader of a party for general elections
edit@Jura1: When elections are "person oriented" as presidential elections, the successful candidate (P991) in the election item contains the name of person with a qualifier member of political party (P102), optionally. However, when elections are party oriented and there are one (or more) candidate elegible for each circumscription, as in parlamentary elections, values of successful candidate (P991) in the election item are the won parties. In these case, may we use P726 as a qualifier to inform who is the main leader for each party for this elections ?. Any other property suggested ?. Thanks, Amadalvarez (talk) 15:25, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Jura1, Yair rand, Oravrattas: I rebuild previous question. When elections are "person oriented" as presidential elections, the candidate (P726) & successful candidate (P991) in the election item contains the name of person with a qualifier member of political party (P102), optionally. However, when elections are party oriented and there are one (or more) candidate elegible for each circumscription, as in parlamentary elections, values of P726 & P991 in the election item are, respectively, the candidate party & won party. In these cases, what could be the qualifier to inform the "party leader"?. I can ask for a new property called "party leader" or "list leader",... or try to use any other like participant (P710) or significant person (P3342), as an alternative. However, both of them are too much generic and P3342 can't be use as qualifier. Any suggestion ? Thanks, Amadalvarez (talk) 12:09, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Amadalvarez: we need to be careful here generally, as in many countries, parliamentary elections are also person oriented, not party oriented, even though the results are often aggregated to display the number of seats or votes that each party won. But that aside, the current way party leaders are modelled is via a position held (P39) statement on the item for the leader to a position such as leader of the Green Party of Canada (Q73682606), rather than storing it on something like an election result.--Oravrattas (talk) 14:37, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Oravrattas: What you say is correct under the domain of a person who has obtained the P39 after the election. However, I am talking about the electoral domain where the "main leader" among the different lists or constituencies in which the party participates is, de facto, its candidate for the presidency of the territory (state, region, ...) or spokesman for the group or whatelse, if they finally have enough seats in the chamber. I need it for the Infobox elections, and then the position at stake is as defined in office contested (P541). After the election, it will be time to assign to the elected person the P39 defined by P541 or some other as a result of subsequent processes. In short, I'm looking for the right way to report to candidate (P726) of a party, who is its "principal leader" for the whole election, regardless of the result it ultimately obtained. Thanks, Amadalvarez (talk) 15:07, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Amadalvarez: I'm afraid I'm not following. If you look at, for example, Jeremy Corbyn's P39s, it shows that he was the leader of the Labour Party from September 2015 to April 2020. As such it can be calculated that he was the party leader at the time of 2019 United Kingdom general election (Q30173038) in December 2019. --Oravrattas (talk) 12:53, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Oravrattas: What you say is correct under the domain of a person who has obtained the P39 after the election. However, I am talking about the electoral domain where the "main leader" among the different lists or constituencies in which the party participates is, de facto, its candidate for the presidency of the territory (state, region, ...) or spokesman for the group or whatelse, if they finally have enough seats in the chamber. I need it for the Infobox elections, and then the position at stake is as defined in office contested (P541). After the election, it will be time to assign to the elected person the P39 defined by P541 or some other as a result of subsequent processes. In short, I'm looking for the right way to report to candidate (P726) of a party, who is its "principal leader" for the whole election, regardless of the result it ultimately obtained. Thanks, Amadalvarez (talk) 15:07, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Oravrattas: I'sorry for my poor explanations, may be are caused by my language limitations. Look, in an elections the leader of the list is "the leader of the list" for that election, beside if he were the leader of the party at that moment or he will be the candidate for president among the members of the chamber for that party. Behaviour of political parties are not allways coherent. In the 2015 Catalan regional election (Q17082048), Junts pel Sí (Q20687291) won the elections and the parliament choose the #4 of the list as a new President, and the #1 was just a Member of the Parliament of Catalonia (Q18714088), it is, the office contested (P541) for these election. Therefore, trying to deduce who is the leader of the list from the information of other items not specifically related to the election, is risky.
- For me, qualifiers are used to collect information that does not belong 100% to the main item or 100% to the property, but defines the characteristics of the item-property relationship. In this case, the qualifiers are not from the party listed as the value of P726, but from the candidacy submitted by that party for those elections, specifically. Anyway, I believe this is an easy situation, because only happens on proportional elections to party list, and not for the rest of election types. If we accept qualifiers member of political party (P102) or represents (P1268) in person oriented elections, why do not accept a person (P3342 or whatever) in a party oriented election ?. Thanks for your attention, Amadalvarez (talk) 19:31, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Amadalvarez: If I'm understanding correctly, the issue with setting a position held (P39) statement on the person is that the this "leader of the list' is not necessarily the same person as the 'leader of the party'? If that is the case could you not create a new position for, say, 'list leader in 2015 Catalan regional election' and use that instead? (Note, I'm not saying that this is the best approach: just seeing how we could do this without having a new property. It may well turn out that requesting a new property is the way to go, but that's going to require figuring out what the right level of abstraction of that would be, as this sort of electoral process is very different in different countries.) --Oravrattas (talk) 08:40, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Oravrattas: I see your good will, I appreciate. You are giving to me solutions for the person domain. The P39 is to define the positions of a person. This is not the object of my petition. I need to fill the election item, this is, who was the person that was the list leader for the party of one instance of P726 only for this specific election; don't matter who were he, which P39 had or even if he were an independent, without militancy on the party. Is an information only related to one specific edition of the election. If after election he becomes successful candidate (P991), it's the time to create -in the person item- the corresponding P39 with the position assigned. Creating a position called "team leader for...." as you suggest, we'll be able to fill the CV of the person even before elections, but it is useless to be used (or linked) within the instance of the P726 related with it. I don't really want to create a new property. Actually, I like "wildcard properties" that can have a "complement of the name" like applies to part (P518) or object of statement has role (P3831), for instance. That's cause I propose to use significant person (P3342) or, secondarily, participant (P710). Thanks, Amadalvarez (talk) 09:32, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Oravrattas: You may see here some examples of the concept I try to use. In these cases they use director / manager (P1037); it was not my initial idea, it's an option accepted as a qualifier without P726 constraints, however the P1037 requires that the subject were an organitzation or similar, not an event. Thanks, Amadalvarez (talk) 04:26, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Amadalvarez: I suspect this is stretching the original definition a bit, but I noticed today that party chief representative (P210) has been used occasionally for this sort of purpose, e.g. on the candidates in 2015 Canadian federal election (Q3586271) --Oravrattas (talk) 09:38, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Oravrattas: Ooooh! at first, it made me laugh because the label in Catalan says "secretary of the communist party". In fact, when I checked the qualifiers used on the candidate (P726) I had seen it, but I found it inappropriate, because of its specificity. Now, reading his description in other languages, it seems reasonable. I put P3342 in the sample cases I used to test the new infobox, but I will change them to P210. I invite you to visit the infobox demo page with the different types of choices it deals with, 100% WD. It is multilingual and responds to the language of preferences. In a few days I will finish the ontology documentation for each case and I would like to share it on the project page and have your experience and opinion. Thanks a lot ! Amadalvarez (talk) 12:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Amadalvarez: I suspect this is stretching the original definition a bit, but I noticed today that party chief representative (P210) has been used occasionally for this sort of purpose, e.g. on the candidates in 2015 Canadian federal election (Q3586271) --Oravrattas (talk) 09:38, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Only official candidates or all people who are discussed as candidates
editWhen looking at a page like 2020 United States presidential election (Q22923830) it lists a bunch of candidates that run for a primary of a political party but that aren't registered as candidats for the general election. Should those candidates that are not registered for an election still be listed? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 13:18, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- They were actually all officially registered (and had to). Depending on the country, formalities can be odd and candidates finally elected hardly ever described on Wikipedia before. We would miss out on a lot of information if we just started adding statements a week before the election (or after the election). Accordingly we try to include those where the candidacy is actually a subject of discussion. The extent can obviously be described. --- Jura 13:27, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- @ChristianKl: One option could be to move some of these to items for the primary elections, e.g. 2020 Republican Party presidential primaries (Q38051523) or 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries (Q38051551) --Oravrattas (talk) 22:12, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
allowed qualifiers constraint
editIf the candidate is a lesser‐known newcomer, I want to add a name value without creating an item. ( He does not meet the notability policy). I think you should add applies to name of subject (P5168) as the allowed qualifier constraint.
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--Camillu87 (talk) 23:41, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
French label
editFollowing this request for comments, the French label now includes the male and the female form. PAC2 (talk) 05:39, 16 June 2022 (UTC)