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Kokeshi dolls

Hi Ground Zero, I just came back from commons:Category:Kokeshi after seeing the copyright license of the image I used at Wajima. Is this compliant with wikivoyage?

btw thanks for your explanation. I hope I still remember it next time I visit :) Ottawahitech (talk) 02:35, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ottawahitech: I'm no expert in Wikivoyage Image policy, but I don't see any problem with it. Anything from the Commons should comply with copyright policy. The size and position are correct. And it seems relevant to the article. Ground Zero (talk) 04:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ottawahitech:. What is allowed on Commons is allowed here. The problem is that some categories attract photos that are not allowed, and this seems to be such a case (I assume you noticed the warning at the category page). I assume that the claim about own work is about the photo, not the doll. I don't know the threshold of originality in Japan, nor how much these dolls differ from dolls by other designers, but I won't be surprised if the photo is deleted. –LPfi (talk) 09:33, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

I guess it should be removed then. Ground Zero (talk) 12:44, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

We allow some free photos of unfree objects as local uploads, see our EDP. I think the Kokeshi dolls could qualify, if current dolls differ significantly from historic ones. –LPfi (talk) 11:38, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

South Hampton Roads

Hello, I am new here (editing for about a month), anyways, is there like a private draft space I can use to add actual content to the South Hampton Roads page you set to redirect to the Eastern Virginia page? Someonehere12345 (talk) 03:57, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

You can create a draft space like this: User:Someonehere12345/draft, and then move it over when it's ready. I have changed the redirect to Hampton Roads. Does it make sense to split that article and move some of the cities to a new South Hampton Roads article? Ground Zero (talk) 04:00, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Makes sense to me, I will go work on the draft. Someonehere12345 (talk) 04:08, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

South Hampton Roads so I published the page, how do I make it so I can add listings by pressing the add listings button Someonehere12345 (talk) 01:42, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Why did you publish that? It's not useful at all. Does it overlap with Hampton Roads?

When you open an edit screen, there is a row of buttons at the top that starts with B I. It has picture buttons: a building for "see", a bicycle for "do", a shopping cart for "buy", etc. Tap on one of those to create a listing template in your article.

I'm going to move it back to your draft space so you can continue to work on it. It isn't ready. Ground Zero (talk) 01:51, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Iran

Please visit the talk page for Iran. 64.237.107.38 01:44, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Tip

Hi, GZ, I noticed on your userpage you have "*Warning 82 as of 11 Dec 2023".

If you want to replace it with syntax that automatically updates itself, try using:

[[:Category:Has warning box with out of date warning]] – {{PAGESINCAT:Has warning box with out of date warning}} as of {{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTMONTH}} {{CURRENTYEAR}}

It should yield the following: Category:Has warning box with out of date warning – 61 as of 24 December 2024.

Just a suggestion – you're free to dismiss it at your own will :-).

Cheers, --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 12:10, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

@SHB2000: thanks for the tip. That was for a project I was working on for a while to clean up warning boxes. I can remove that now. Ground Zero (talk) 23:05, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

"pax"

It's a shorthand for person, sometimes capacity. I do agree it was confusing on Singapore/Little India, though. Thank you for changing it. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 21:56, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

I do know what it means, but we should use ordinary English words, rather than travel industry jargon, for the benefit of our readers. Ground Zero (talk) 21:59, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Agreed; it's really uncommon to see in many English-speaking countries. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 21:59, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

I work closely with aviation industry in real life, and can say with no uncertainty, "pax"="passengers". It's specialised jargon, yes. Ibaman (talk) 10:36, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Special:Diff/4847553

Were the removal of listings an accident? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 11:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Oops. I inadvertently opened an old version. Thanks for catching that. Ground Zero (talk) 11:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

haha not a problem, mate :-). I realized something felt off when 3,495 bytes of text were removed without explanation. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 12:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Hockey

Yeah, as I was copyediting Windsor (Nova Scotia) I saw the reference to "the birthplace of hockey" and thought "haven't I already read something similar elsewhere", which I really had: Délı̨nę. Can we live with this discrepancy? :) Ibaman (talk) 19:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that. I have revised the text to clarify. Ground Zero (talk) 19:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

User talk:199.119.30.204

FYI... Brycehughes (talk) 11:46, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

They're back: User:These niggas dont deserve to live. Brycehughes (talk) 22:31, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

NJ vandal

Thanks for the help with that – I semi-protected all the affected pages for 6 months so hopefully that should put an end to their rather horseshit edits. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 22:21, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Good idea. Given the history on this, I think 6 months is warranted. Ground Zero (talk) 23:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Vandal just now

Thanks. I was just looking for the next steps to take and you did it. Much appreciated. Feel free to correct block settings if I didn't get them exactly right. Nurg (talk) 22:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't usually like revision deleting logs, but I did so in this instance as an anti-harassment measure. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 22:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

ACV

Hi, thanks for reverting their edits. The Australian childish vandal (ACV) is easily one of Wikimedia's biggest pests.

One thing, though – this isn't a must, but if possible, are you able to add their socks to this page? I won't disclose the reason on-wiki, but if you want, I'm happy to do so off-wiki (via email or Discord, up to you).

--SHB2000 (t | c | m) 22:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I'll try to remember to do this. Ground Zero (talk) 11:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for that :-). --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 11:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Peruvian Natural Regions

Hi GroundZero, What if you are missinforming readers? I mean the information you are stating in this article is not correct. Peru doesn't have just 3 natural regions since 1941. I can send you the sources if you want to check on them AnniAriel (talk) 02:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@AnniAriel: GZ didn't revert you for your edits being incorrect, but because we don't do unilateral changes to regions on Wikivoyage. It's typical practice to propose your changes on the talk page, discuss it through for a week or so, and when consensus arises, then adjust the regions. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 07:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for you kind advise. However, as I asked before, can I add the information instead of erasing the previous one? AnniAriel (talk) 13:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I have started the discussion and alerted other editors. Let's wait for comnent from other editors. Ground Zero (talk) 14:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Peru#Regions discussion (2024) for reference – I'll give input when I get home. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 02:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Editing collision?

Hey, I noticed that you were doing copyedits on the [[Haciendas]] article (thank you very much for that!)

Unfortunately, I might have clobbered some of your edits because I was adding a new section at about the same time. I apologize if some of your edits were lost by this. Rest assured, no malice was intended....

Mrkstvns (talk) 20:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@Mrkstvns: It looks okay to me. Thanks for the heads-up, though. Ground Zero (talk) 20:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I'd recommend using the edit conflict tool which can be enabled on Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures (it's the first one) – that prevents content from being lost or reverted. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Peruvian National Parks

Can you please show me where to find the information about adding places to a map? I would love to add the rest of the parks and reserves in the departments they belong to. AnniAriel (talk) 15:51, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

@AnniAriel: There are two ways:

1. Go to the Wikipedia article for the park or reserve. On the right-hand side of the Wikipedia article, look for "Wikidata item". Click on that link to find the Wikidata number for the place at the top of the article -- it starts with a "Q". If the coordinates for the place have been added to the Wikidata entry, adding the Wikidata field to the marker template ("|wikidata=Q123456") will put the place on the map.
2. The other way is to find the latitude and longitude of the place, and add those those marker template like this "|lat=0.000|long=0.000".

Ground Zero (talk) 17:05, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

I assume I should do it the second way because there's no article about the other parks. AnniAriel (talk) 18:22, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

I tried but without success. Could you be so kind to help me on the first one, so I can follow the way and do the rest?

For instances, the coordenates for Tingo María National Park are -9.377,-75.998 AnniAriel (talk) 18:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

@AnniAriel: I have added the coordinates you gave me, so Tingo María now appears on the map. You can see the change here. You can also try Spanish Wikipedia for articles on other parks, as they may exist there. Ground Zero (talk) 23:32, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

There are Wikipedia articles for most Peruvian parks and reserves. See w:List of protected areas of Peru. It is easier to add the Wikidata number than to look up coordinates. Ground Zero (talk) 00:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

And the Wikidata number often gives useful links for readers and further editors. But at least formerly explicit coordinates were necessary to give markers on the map you get from the upper-right-corner icon. –LPfi (talk) 07:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

In any case, you can always fetch those coordinates from Wikidata. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 09:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I have the problem with that, that Wikidata gives them as [dd° mm' ss"] while our templates want them as [dd.dddd]. –LPfi (talk) 19:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

If you go to the Wikipedia article for a place, find its dd° mm' ss" coordinates, and click on them, you will be taken to the Geohack site, which has the coordinates in dd.dddd format for the place. Ground Zero (talk) 20:13, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Jinan districting

You say the district discussion ended 1.5 years ago. Maybe, but no action was taken to effectuate the consensus. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:21, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Agreed, but the tag says "Discussion on defining district borders for Jinan is underway. If you know the city, please share your opinion on the talk page." The discussion is no longer underway, so I removed the tag. There is consensus to district the article, but no-one willing to do it. Ground Zero (talk) 12:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, a sad state of affairs. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:56, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

July 1

Happy Canada Day to you and any other Canadians lurking :-). -- 🍁 SHB2000 (t | c | m) 23:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Merci, toi. Ground Zero (talk) 12:31, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Pings

If I'm not mistaken, pings like this don't usually work without a signature – you might have to reping but with a signature. Cheerios, --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 12:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I think its important to make sure they are aware of this nom. Ground Zero (talk) 12:31, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, cheers for that – and defo agreed with you. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 12:57, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Toronto meetup

Hi, we had a cancellation and you can attend the event if you want. I know it’s short notice. –xeno 13:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

4906711

sigh... looks like we're going to have one big cleanup ahead at the conclusion of this expedition. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 11:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Indeed. It really bugs me when they write, "Thank you for this sdvice. I will do that", and then continue doing the same thing. I don't know how many restaurant listings Owerri really needs, but I don't want to discourage her editors. Ground Zero (talk) 12:05, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Like you, it's the empty promises that bug me – it's one thing ignoring your talk page and barging on to do the same thing, but it's a whole new level when someone acknowledges it and do the same thing over and over again. At that point you have to resort to blocks and that I'm not too fond of (but it's the last resort). --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 12:51, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

And on that note it seems like they've requested an unblock, but I guess only time will tell if they actually understood why they were blocked. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 12:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

I am losing patience with this lot. I don't know how to reach them except through blocks. Ground Zero (talk) 22:43, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

There isn't any other way to deal with this other than short blocks – otherwise we're only going to get empty promises from them. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 04:23, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

€1 vs 1€

Hi. I would like to make a proposal, but dont't know where start. So I'm asking to you.

I see you alway correct when I put 1€ in an article, to €1. I also know (but always forget) that the agreed notation is €1.

My point is that I don't understand why this notation. I know that in US the agred notation is $1. I'm not sure about UK. But almost everywhere you travel in europe the notation in the shops is 1€. And asuming that the english version of wikitravel is JUST for US and UK people (a few other native english speaker) is not right. English is becoming the "lingua franca" (common travelers language) among travelers . I modestly think that the travel guide notation must be as close as possible to what people is going to see on the travel destination.

So, is there a way to ask for reconsideration on this notation? or perhaps I'm totally wrong and is not worth the effort. Any help would be welcome. —The preceding comment was added by Mmorell (talk • contribs) 09:58, September 25, 2024 (UTC)

Hello, generally the place to discuss this would be Wikivoyage talk:Currency. However, this has been discussed before and the consensus is to put the € symbol before the value because this is not a country-specific thing but rather an English-language thing. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 10:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

@Mmorell:, I agree that the best place to propose a change would here at Wikivoyage_talk:Currency. There was a previous discussion on this question, which I think you should read before you propose a change. You can find it at Wikivoyage_talk:Currency/Archive_2017-2018#Putting_the_€_sign_after_the_amount. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 10:43, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

OK. I've read the discussion. I'll try to remember when writing prices. Thanks for your help and understanding Mmorell (talk) 14:07, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Typo

Hi, and thanks for giving some pointers to our student editors! I edited one of your posts, which I hope was OK to do, but you made the same typo here, using the word "wrong" instead of what you meant.

Best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:33, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Same typo again. FYI. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:27, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Charlton

Hello! Thanks for reviewing the changes I made to the guide for Charlton, and updating the golf course info (which I had been meaning to do but hadn't gotten to yet). Do you think the updates I've done are good enough to change the status to Usable? (And if not, what's the next steps I might be able to work on for it?) I haven't done this much wiki editing before, and am just trying to share the gems of my hometown. Thank you! PeterCooperJr (talk) 13:40, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Grado

Hey,

you changed the name Alimerka to Almerika. The stores are actually called Alimerka.

Doesnt it improve the readability of the restaurants, if they are written in italics?

Is a Spanish albergue really an inn? Afaik an inn doesnt have shared rooms. Imo an albergue is a hostel. 80.187.122.146 05:55, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

@80.187.122.146: I'm not sure how your corrections got lost when I was adding the picture. I have restored them.

"Alergue" isn't an English word, so we should provide a translation the first time we use it. Is "hostel" a better translation than "inn"? Ground Zero (talk) 08:42, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

thanks! yes it is. ChatGPT confirms that. 80.187.112.204 12:50, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Typo

I can't make head or tail of this.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Yikes. Thanks for pointing that out. That's what happens when I turn off autocorrect. Ground Zero (talk) 14:25, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

VFD closure

Please, when you close VFD threads, follow the directions on the page:

'When archiving, always make it clear to other editors what the outcome of the discussion was. First, describe the outcome in the edit summary when you remove the discussion, with something like "archive as kept". Then add a line for the result to the discussion on the archive page.'

I am also disappointing that you didn't honour AlasdairW's request that

'Please make it clear in the deleting edit summary that a phrasebook for this language is welcome so a different editor is not deterred.'

Now a Karakalpak speaker intending to create the phrasebook is met by

'Warning: You are recreating a page that was previously deleted.

You should consider whether it is appropriate to continue editing this page. The deletion and move log for this page are provided here for convenience:

(change visibility) 13:24, 29 November 2024 Ground Zero talk contribs block deleted page Karakalpak phrasebook (Per votes for deletion: content was: "{{pagebanner|Welcome banner.jpg}} {{vfd}} '''Karakalpak''' (қарақалпақ/qaraqalpaq) is a Turkic language, spoken in Karakalpakstan, a republic in Uzbekistan. {{stub}}")'

–LPfi (talk) 13:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

I didn't pay close enough attention to the process. I can't see a way to fix this mistake, unfortunately. I have added a note to the article's talk page to encourage a new article to be created, which I think is the best that I can do at this point. Ground Zero (talk) 14:00, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. –LPfi (talk) 14:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. It is easy to miss remarks buried in the votes. AlasdairW (talk) 16:19, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

An award for you!

	The Wikivoyage Barncompass
	thanks for helping new users SomeGuilStuff (talk) 05:30, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@SomeGuilStuff: thank you! Ground Zero (talk) 18:33, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

FYI

Next semester I will try to provide feedback (review) on Wikovoyage talk pages, so you and others can see it. So far, I provide students feedback on my English Wikipedia talk page (User talk:Hanyangprofessor2 - Wikipedia). Just noting this, since you might not have seen it and perhaps you assume I don't review their work (since my feedback is not visible on Wikivoyage much). Note that I review their work when asked - they are supposed to ask for it several times during the semester, following specific deadlines (and also final review is provided when grading). Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 06:26, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

That address issue

I will stress it in future classes, but... can we just have a bot auto-fix it? It seems bot-fixable (bot checks addresses for listings and removes parts that match the article title and country...). Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 02:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

@Hanyangprofessor2: programming bots is beyond my skillset and pay grade. (I'm a volunteer, so everything is beyond my pay grade, but I really eoukdnt know how to do it.) Emphasizing it just class would help. I am wondering why it is such a common error, though. Are the students copying and pasting information from other sources that include the city and province? That could raise copyright issues. Ground Zero (talk) 02:57, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

The source may simply be the business' web site: they naturally give the full address. So I don't think that's any evidence of copyright violations. –LPfi (talk) 09:49, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it's an issue that can easily be fixed with a bot either – different countries write addresses differently and I'm not sure how exactly a bot could differentiate street number from postal code, or street name from town name if they share the same name – and what if it is a case where the town name needs to be mentioned? IMO it feels like a bot for this feels more like hassle and has drawbacks for fewer benefits in return. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 09:38, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Happy holidays (2024)!

Happy holidays, Ground Zero! Hey Ground Zero, wishing you an epic Christmas and an awesome New Year! Massive thanks for all the dedication and effort you've poured into making Wikivoyage what it is today. Wherever you are in the world, kick back and enjoy the festive vibes! Greetings from Queensland :). --SHB2000 on 10:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

@SHB2000: Thanks, and to you, too. You much such an important contribution to Wikivoyage; it helps helps me keep hope that this project can work despite the challenges it faces. Ground Zero (talk) 13:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words, GZ :). You make such an awesome effort to improve Wikivoyage too – imagine how much worse our articles would look like post-expedition if it weren't for your cleanups. I hope I can increase my activity here back again next year – they left a lot to be desired this year, probably after getting global sysop/Meta admin, but nonetheless, thanks again! --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 22:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)