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After you keep/redirect/merge/delete the article, file or template, '''move the deletion discussion''' to the [[Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTYEAR}}|Archives page for the appropriate month]]. The [[Project:Votes for deletion/Archives|root archives page]] has a directory. Note that it's the month in which the ''action'' was taken, rather than when the ''nomination'' was first posted, that should be used for the archived discussion; that way, recourse to the deletion log can lead subsequent readers right to the discussion (at least for the pages that were deleted).
After you keep/redirect/merge/delete the article, file or template, '''move the deletion discussion''' to the [[Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTYEAR}}|Archives page for the appropriate month]]. The [[Project:Votes for deletion/Archives|root archives page]] has a directory. Note that it's the month in which the ''action'' was taken, rather than when the ''nomination'' was first posted, that should be used for the archived discussion; that way, recourse to the deletion log can lead subsequent readers right to the discussion (at least for the pages that were deleted).


When archiving, always '''make it clear''' to other editors what '''the outcome of the discussion''' was. This can be done by adding the result to the discussion in a ''separate edit'' from the one in which you remove the discussion from this page; or you can describe the outcome in the edit summary when you remove the discussion.
When archiving, always '''make it clear''' to other editors what '''the outcome of the discussion''' was. First, describe the outcome in the edit summary when you remove the discussion, with something like "archive as kept". Then add a line for the result to the discussion on the archive page.


If the nominated article, file or template '''was not deleted''', then place another (identical duplicate) copy of the deletion discussion on the discussion page of the article, file or template being kept or redirected.
If the nominated article, file or template was not deleted, then the nomination should be mentioned on its talk page. Generally this is done by providing a link to the deletion discussion on the talk page. One should also indicate the result on the talk page. If the discussion is short, an alternative is to place an (identical duplicate) copy of the discussion on the talk page.


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==May 2024==
==August 2024==
===Mongolian sites: [[Halkh River]], [[Taikhar Rock]], [[Tujiin Nars]], [[Tsonjiin chuluu]], [[Uvs province]] to merge===
Recently created by {{user| Temuulen kh}}, {{user|Enkhriimaa.b7}}, {{user|Https.nmio}}, {{user|Tsekkk}}, and {{user|Nomio erdene}} respectively, these have all appeared in the past several weeks, had almost no subsequent edits, and seem to be locations that could be merged into another part of the breadcrumbs for [[Mongolia]] (note that none of them are actually in this navigation scheme at the moment). Thoughts? Additionally, does anyone know why a bunch of users who had never edited before appeared here on August&nbsp;8, made semi-long articles about Mongolian locations in just a single edit, and then disappeared? —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 02:50, 18 September 2024 (UTC)


:Are you proposing to merge these? That doesn't require a thread on Vfd. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 03:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
===[[Template:Smiley]]===
::I think that's probably the best outcome, but [[Wikivoyage:Deletion_policy#Deleting_vs._redirecting|deleting versus redirecting]] is a valid discussion in general to have and I'm not an expert on Mongolia, so I am not certain where they should go or what is the most choice information. I don't see the value in these orphan articles that are almost certainly abandoned and not part of the standard navigation existing as they are indefinitely, but I also think there is probably useful information that shouldn't be outright deleted. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 03:26, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' for the '''third time''' as totally unnecessary. See [[Template talk:Smiley]]. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 23:01, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
:::The answer to your question, by the way, is that these folks were making AI articles, just about exclusively on non-article topics, and one admitted it. I would '''delete''' all of these articles as non-articles and consider whether to merge/redirect the term "Uvs province" after deletion. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 05:34, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
*'''Question''': I'd like to know if there are unicode alternatives to this template. Then I'll make a decision. --<span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]] &#124; [[m:User:SHB2000|meta]])</small></span> 04:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
::::Oh sheesh. :/ Then yes, '''delete''' if for no other reason than copyright concerns. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 05:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
*:The Unicode block [[:w:Miscellaneous Symbols|Miscellaneous Symbols]] (U+2600–U+26FF) includes U+263A White smiling face (&#x263A;) and U+263B Black smiling face (&#x263B;). There is also a newer dedicated block with many more variations: [[:w:Emoticons (Unicode block)|Emoticons]] (U+1F600–U+1F64F). There are also "variant selectors", where VS16 (U+FE0F) is for "emoji style" (&#x263A;&#xFE0F;), i.e. often a yellow face. –[[User:LPfi|LPfi]] ([[User talk:LPfi|talk]]) 06:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
*::Is it possible to normally type them up, or would it be easier for a user to use this template? --<span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]] &#124; [[m:User:SHB2000|meta]])</small></span> 06:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
*+1 for '''delete''' per Justin and Koavf. --<span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|t]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|c]] &#124; [[m:User:SHB2000|m]])</small></span> 05:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

*:::It would be much more easy to use the template, at least in its default form, than remembering the U+ codes, of course. One could also have a page with the codes and "characters" listed, so that they can be copied from there. –[[User:LPfi|LPfi]] ([[User talk:LPfi|talk]]) 06:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
*::::: Some keyboards allow typing the emojis as such. I assume they are common only on smartphones. [[User:LPfi|LPfi]] ([[User talk:LPfi|talk]]) 07:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
:+1 per Ikan. [[User:A09|A09]] ([[User talk:A09|talk]]) 08:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
*'''delete''' per Justin and Koavf. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] ([[User talk:Ground Zero|talk]]) 09:01, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
*::::::There is an emoji keyboard on a Mac (ctrl+cmd+space), but it requires very specific input and doesn't always work; it would normally be easier to use {{tl|smiley}} in such cases. --<span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]] &#124; [[m:User:SHB2000|meta]])</small></span> 07:29, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
* '''delete''' See also [[Wikivoyage:User_ban_nominations/Archive#h-MON-20240806093100]] & [[Wikivoyage:Vandalism in progress#Mongolia]] [[User:Pashley|Pashley]] ([[User talk:Pashley|talk]]) 09:26, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
*::::I still haven't made up my mind yet, but this is critical information that I'll end up using. (and I also fixed the attribution issue) <span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]] &#124; [[m:User:SHB2000|meta]])</small></span> 06:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
*:::::I'd say there's nothing whatsoever critical about anything having to do with smileys. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 10:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
*::::::It is critical, because I'd like to know how easy it is to use the alternative (i.e., emojis). --<span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]] &#124; [[m:User:SHB2000|meta]])</small></span> 10:36, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
*:::::::It's super easy to use :-). I know if you had your way, you'd import pretty much every template from Wikipedia, or at least loads of them, and we don't need that. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 10:51, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
*::::::::Yes, but who seriously uses ":-)" nowadays? The internet has changed significantly since 2015; I'm not aware of anyone who doesn't use emojis nowadays. --<span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]] &#124; [[m:User:SHB2000|meta]])</small></span> 11:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
*:::::::::I rarely use emojis I can't type easily, and we don't need templates for them. If I'm using my phone, I can easily go to an emoji keyboard but usually get there by accident. The only use for them here, anyway, is on talk pages, as this isn't a social media site. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 11:13, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
*::::::::::I wonder if this is a generational difference. Or I might be convinced by JuliasTravels' comment: "''It's a matter of taste, and no-on [sic] is forced to use these options. No reason to be the old-fashioned wiki in the family when it comes to smileys''". --<span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]] &#124; [[m:User:SHB2000|meta]])</small></span> 11:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
*:::::::::::Perhaps, but it being about taste goes both ways. I get irritated when people get to dominate the view of a discussion page by their bells-and-whistles signatures.
*:::::::::::I also didn't like it when colour printing getting cheap resulted in school books transforming into some kind of colour show. And now people working with reading difficulties try to get the books back to a more "dull" i.e. less distracting layout.
*:::::::::::I share Texugo's worries that I quoted below.
*:::::::::::–[[User:LPfi|LPfi]] ([[User talk:LPfi|talk]]) 15:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' The current template seems to have been copied from Wikipedia without attribution (the code is identical). –[[User:LPfi|LPfi]] ([[User talk:LPfi|talk]]) 06:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
* I want to quote two comments from the [[Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/September 2015#Template:Smiley|September 2015 Vfd]] –[[User:LPfi|LPfi]] ([[User talk:LPfi|talk]]) 07:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC):
** "It has no travel purpose, but it has a community purpose. This is not something we'll every see in mainspace, and I'll always vote for all freedom we can reasonably give to users, when it comes to talk- and user pages. […] If people prefer {{Smiley}} over :-), that should be fine, just like it's fine if they prefer their username to be written in colour. It's a matter of taste, and no-on is forced to use these options. No reason to be the old-fashioned wiki in the family when it comes to smileys. It's only a small gesture in a world full of emoticons." [[User:JuliasTravels|JuliasTravels]] 09:31, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
** "Delete - If used frequently enough to merit having a template for it, I think it would be mere visual clutter. Plus, any argument for keeping this would apply equally to a whole range of cutesy emoticons, and we have certainly never had any need for that." [[User:Texugo|Texugo]] 13:43, 24 August 2015 (UTC) [that range is actually available through parameters to the template, as noted later in the thread]
*'''Question''': Since this twice-deleted template was unilaterally recreated, shouldn't there be a bias toward deletion unless there's a clear consensus to keep it? [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 23:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
*:I tend to agree that this should be made an exception, but we should still wait for the entire 14 days. <span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|t]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|c]] &#124; [[m:User:SHB2000|m]])</small></span> 23:30, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
*::Sure. [[User:Ikan Kekek|Ikan Kekek]] ([[User talk:Ikan Kekek|talk]]) 00:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
*:::In any case, when it is closed in 2 days, it's likely to be deleted since consensus is leaning that way anyway. --<span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|t]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|c]] &#124; [[m:User:SHB2000|m]])</small></span> 01:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
*After thinking this through, my !vote is '''delete''' as this template uses images instead of emojis, posing an accessibility issue. I'd maybe change my mind if someone replaced the images with emojis, but I'm not doing it since people have different tastes and that is handled by an emoji keyboard. I should clarify that this is '''not''' due to any style (I'd encourage the use of emojis, especially with newbies) or personal preference. It's the same reason why having images (not emojis) in signatures is despised. --<span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|t]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|c]] &#124; [[m:User:SHB2000|m]])</small></span> 10:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
*:14 days now, can another admin delete this? I don't think it's appropriate for {{u|Ikan Kekek}} or me to delete this given how heavily involved we are in this DR. --<span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|t]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|c]] &#124; [[m:User:SHB2000|m]])</small></span> 23:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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'''Outcome:''' Deleted. --<span style="font-family:BlinkMacSystemFont; font-size: 14px">[[User:SHB2000|<span style="color:#0b6487">SHB2000</span>]] <small>([[User talk:SHB2000|t]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|c]] &#124; [[m:User:SHB2000|m]])</small></span> 22:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Revision as of 09:27, 18 September 2024

Votes for deletion

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===[[Chicken]]===
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* '''Delete'''. Not a valid travel article topic. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (UTC)
* '''Keep'''. There is a town in [[Alaska]] called Chicken. ~~~~

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After you keep/redirect/merge/delete the article, file or template, move the deletion discussion to the Archives page for the appropriate month. The root archives page has a directory. Note that it's the month in which the action was taken, rather than when the nomination was first posted, that should be used for the archived discussion; that way, recourse to the deletion log can lead subsequent readers right to the discussion (at least for the pages that were deleted).

When archiving, always make it clear to other editors what the outcome of the discussion was. First, describe the outcome in the edit summary when you remove the discussion, with something like "archive as kept". Then add a line for the result to the discussion on the archive page.

If the nominated article, file or template was not deleted, then the nomination should be mentioned on its talk page. Generally this is done by providing a link to the deletion discussion on the talk page. One should also indicate the result on the talk page. If the discussion is short, an alternative is to place an (identical duplicate) copy of the discussion on the talk page.

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August 2024

Recently created by Temuulen kh (talk · contribs), Enkhriimaa.b7 (talk · contribs), Https.nmio (talk · contribs), Tsekkk (talk · contribs), and Nomio erdene (talk · contribs) respectively, these have all appeared in the past several weeks, had almost no subsequent edits, and seem to be locations that could be merged into another part of the breadcrumbs for Mongolia (note that none of them are actually in this navigation scheme at the moment). Thoughts? Additionally, does anyone know why a bunch of users who had never edited before appeared here on August 8, made semi-long articles about Mongolian locations in just a single edit, and then disappeared? —Justin (koavf)TCM 02:50, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Are you proposing to merge these? That doesn't require a thread on Vfd. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think that's probably the best outcome, but deleting versus redirecting is a valid discussion in general to have and I'm not an expert on Mongolia, so I am not certain where they should go or what is the most choice information. I don't see the value in these orphan articles that are almost certainly abandoned and not part of the standard navigation existing as they are indefinitely, but I also think there is probably useful information that shouldn't be outright deleted. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:26, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
The answer to your question, by the way, is that these folks were making AI articles, just about exclusively on non-article topics, and one admitted it. I would delete all of these articles as non-articles and consider whether to merge/redirect the term "Uvs province" after deletion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:34, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oh sheesh. :/ Then yes, delete if for no other reason than copyright concerns. —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
+1 per Ikan. A09 (talk) 08:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply