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Indicators of Food Product Quality

Hello I have edited the page as Indicators of Food Product Quality with the reference Modern Food Microbiology by James M. Jay. Wikipedia is stating that it is a copyright violation can you please help me to delete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhawans.adt (talk • contribs) 09:30, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Indicators of food product quality has been deleted. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:34, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Redirects

I’ve created a draft redirect, and I want it to be a redirect that is not a draft. How can I move it? I’ve followed the instructions on W:Redirects, but I can’t move it like it says on WP:MV. Can you help me with this? Presidential Vault (talk) 13:23, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Presidential Vault. You only joined one day ago. You need to be autoconfirmed to move pages. A user becomes autoconfirmed when they have made 10 edits and been around for 4 days.LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 14:43, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

@LPS and MLP Fan: Thank you for your help. After I am autoconfirmed, how can I move the page? Presidential Vault (talk) 00:55, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

@Presidential Vault: A "more" button will appear next to the other editing buttons, if you hover over it the option to move a page should appear. TheAwesome Hwyh 00:57, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

@TheAwesomeHwyh: So is there an option for you to choose to move it to a redirect page? And what is the moving reason I should write? Presidential Vault (talk) 01:01, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

@Presidential Vault: Not sure what you mean. All you do is type in the new title you want to be at, it doesn't matter what kind of page it is. For moving reason, you could use something generic like "publish redirect" or "moving page to mainspace", or you could be more specific if you wanted to. TheAwesome Hwyh 01:07, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

@TheAwesomeHwyh:@LPS and MLP Fan: Thank you so much for your help. Presidential Vault (talk) 02:21, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

@TheAwesomeHwyh:@LPS and MLP Fan: Actually, I have a second question. Do I have to remove the template that says the article is still in the draft namespace before moving the page, or will it be removed automatically? There is an invisible comment, that says it is important, and I should remove it. Presidential Vault (talk) 13:54, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

@Presidential Vault:I'm not quite sure, actually. I've never had to move a draft. TheAwesome Hwyh 18:55, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

@LPS and MLP Fan: I would like to ask you for help. I actually wanted to rename the page. Can I do both moving the page to main namespace and renaming it at the same time? Is there a reason for renaming the page, if both actions should be done individually? Presidential Vault (talk) 08:05, 9 September 2019 (UTC) @TheAwesomeHwyh: Replying to your answer for my question about the moving reason: Can I type in “Moving draft article to main namespace”, as it is said in the Wikipedia Moving guideline? Presidential Vault (talk) 08:09, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

@Presidential Vault: When you move a page, you are changing the title, aka the page name. So, you are doing what you said at the same time. LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 19:39, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

@LPS and MLP Fan: Should I remove the draft template that is a button for submitting the draft for review? There is a comment, which says"Important, do not remove". Presidential Vault, from the “Minimum Security Bank” (talk page) 01:41, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

@LPS and MLP Fan: Please reply me. Are you busy or something? Anyways, back to the question. I’ve moved the draft now, should I place the histmerge template, or will somebody else place it? Presidential Vault, from the “Minimum Security Bank” (talk page) 10:20, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

When the draft was moved to mainspace the history automatically moves with it, so there is no separate history to be merged. I have removed the old AFC template, which was no longer needed because you moved the draft to mainspace without waiting for AFC review. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:20, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Thanks a lot! Presidential Vault, from the “Minimum Security Bank” (talk page) 12:07, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@Presidential Vault: As much as I want to help, I can't. I'm at school at the moment. Everyone is just a volunteer at Wikipedia. --LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 12:41, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Invites for a new WikiProject

What is the best way to choose who to invite to a new WikiProject? The only way I can think of is by inviting users with the most contributions to that subject, but there has to be a better way.--Auric talk 10:41, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

I think that WikiProjects should form organically, out of a group of editors who already put time and effort into sa specific subject. One of the benifits of WikiProjects is that they allow already passionate, productive editors to organise their efforts. For this reason, I think unsolicited WikiProject invites are largely not useful - they may lead to editors joining WikiProjects, but I've never seen them create particularly active, productive editors.

I would instead maybe suggest inviting editors you already know - people who you consistently create productive discussion with on talk pages, etc; people already working with you to achieve the goals of the WikiProject. Cheers! -- a ^{consensus is queer oppression | argue | contribs} 11:09, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Auric. I'm not sure if you can just decide to create a WikiProject on your own and then go ahead and do it. I believe it's strongly recommended that you propose it first to (1) see if there's enough interest and (2) make sure its scope isn't redundant to that of an already existing WikiProject. You can find out more about this at WP:WPPJ, WP:WPPRO and WP:PRJCRE. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:05, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Looks like I jumped the gun on that then. I looked at WP:PROJGUIDE and didn't see anything about that mentioned, but maybe I missed it.--Auric talk 13:17, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

United States article

Hello, why the United States article is a good article and is not a featured article? What does it lack to be a featured article? Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2 (talk) 12:33, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Super ninja2 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know the specific reasons for the current assessment of the article, but if you truly feel that it meets the Featured Article Criteria, you could start the review process to upgrade the article. Keep mind that only one out of a thousand articles has featured status; it must be one of the very best articles on Wikipedia(out of all 5 million plus articles). You may also want to review the content assessment criteria to learn more about why it might be rated as a Good article. 331dot (talk) 12:41, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

331dot, I don't know if the article meets the Featured Article Criteria. I just want to know what a good article lacks in a featured article. Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2 (talk) 13:01, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Have you read the various archived discussions such as from Talk:United States and Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/United States? --David Biddulph (talk) 12:47, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

David Biddulph, actually, I haven't. Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2 (talk) 13:01, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Super ninja2, off the top of my head, a good article follows best practices and manual of style but may be incomplete, while a featured article also has to have virtually perfect prose and more importantly has to be a comprehensive summary of all works on the subject (meaning if there is an important paper or a book about the subject not used as a source in the article, it's not complete enough to be a featured article, unless you can convince reviewers that the source was deliberately omitted because it was outdated, etc.) Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 13:37, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Zee world

Pls someone should explain is about to happen in mehek — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ade Girl (talk • contribs) 13:38, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Ade Girl, I am guessing you are talking about Zindagi Ki Mehek on Zee TV? We are not in the business of predicting what's about to happen, but you could update the article yourself if it's missing info on things that have already happened. Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 13:49, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@Ade Girl: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a place to ask questions about using Wikipedia. It isn't a place to ask any question about any subject. Do you have a question about using Wikipedia? 331dot (talk) 13:50, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Entry on Lisbon treaty

Hi I was just doing some browsing and looked at the article on the Lisbon treaty. The articles first line appears to have been edited to call it the treat of brexit. I'm not an editor but thought you would want to know. The article is Treaty of Lisbon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.29.189.161 (talk) 16:36, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

That vandalism has now been reverted.--Quisqualis (talk) 16:59, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Creating a page for a movie

So I'd like to create a page for the 80's comedy The Malibu Bikini Shop. The film is noteworthy as it was one of the early starring roles for Bruce Greenwood and was the last film role for Frank Nelson before he passed away. This film was actually released several months after he passed away. I can easily flesh the page out with a plot and cast listing, and the other vital data. I would like to note in advance that I am a film buff and I took two semesters of film history, for what it's worth, and I know of multiple URL's that are suitable to use in creating a page for this movie.

Please bare with me as I'm new to editing here on Wikipedia and I've never created a page on my own. I thank everyone in advance for their valuable help and advice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sportsfan1976 (talk • contribs) 18:35, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@Sportsfan1976: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Thanks for wanting to help build this project. You may find it helpful to use(if you haven't already) the new user tutorial and read Your First Article for advice. Successfully writing a new article can be challenging, so try not to get discouraged. The topic certainly sounds like it could merit an article, so you have that going for you. 331dot (talk) 18:44, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

GNG is about creating articles; but what about deleting them?

I understand general notability guidelines (GNG) with respect to creating a new article, but what about old articles? I've seen several "campaigns" to delete articles that have been in existence over 10 years, have a handful of citations, have over 50 edits, over a dozen contributing editors, that are on esoteric topics that are not particularly covered by mainstream media but are mentioned only in their industry (which makes it hard to adequately determine the relative/value/ranking of reliability of sources). Also, in the last several years most of the media websites have been purging their content after just two years! So, many of these older articles have no currently discoverable coverage using internet searches, and SEEM to be no longer notable.

These are topics where we know the information to be true (it was not invented) but no longer has easily findable citations to support GNG.

I've read several AfD discussions where one or two editors post some citations and the other editors just don't think that's sufficient. Then the administrator closes the AfD as 'delete'.

I don't get it. Why do we allow:

deleting long-residing topics that could be improved, but aren't being improved because someone wants them deleted instead,
wasting the time of multiple editors to discuss AfDs over a week's time,
then delete the article anyway because GNG-in-present-time is being used for deletion excuse, not creation criteria.

Are we trying to save storage bytes for Wikipedia servers?

Do these articles have zero historical educational purpose because there's nothing written in present time on the internet?

I assert that WP:GNG should be about whether or not an article is created, and less about why an article should be deleted. Why should information be purged from Wikipedia because someone wants to supress information/viewpoints?

Are there essays/debates in Wikipedia describing this phenomenon?

Normal Op (talk) 19:11, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@Normal Op: Welcome to Wikipedia. If an article does not meet GNG or other notability guidelines, then it may be deleted. See the info here: Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#Reasons_for_deletion, item 8 in that list goes to your question. If you think an article may be improved and you are willing to work on it, then you can suggest it be moved into draft space instead of being deleted. You can also suggest one of the other alternatives to deletion mention in that page. RudolfRed (talk) 19:19, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for responding on the general topic area, but that doesn't really answer the question about "was generally notable, and nothing has changed, but can't now find refs in present time". Loss of current refs online does not change the topic's notability, but does seem to affect AfD outcomes. Normal Op (talk) 19:30, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey Normal Op. It's difficult to give detailed advice without examples of the kinds of AfDs you are referencing. But in general, no, there is no requirement that sources be online, in the English language, or easy to find. They need to be reliable published secondary sources.

GNG isn't really about whether an article should be kept or deleted. It's about whether an article can in principle be written in a way that is compliant with our core policies: verifiable, neutral, with no original research, and meeting the basic requirement of being an encyclopedia article rather than a long list of things that are not. To do this requires sustained in-depth coverage in reliable sources, which is why that's the standard we apply in deciding whether an article is appropriate. GMG ^talk 19:28, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia: Edit-a-thon

For a long time, I have been thinking of conducting Wikipedia: Edit-a-thon for a group of students (Age group:12-16 years). Finally, I got the time. Can anybody suggest me some Do's and Dont's for the same. Some Wikipedia Policies and Wikipedia Projects to be shared with them for constructive editing and collaboration. Thanks! Peppy Paneer

Hi Peppy Paneer Welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for your really great question. Running a successful editathon can be really rewarding. We have a few general resources available that might help you plan an event, and I might be able to add a few suggestions of my own. Firstly, we have a basic introduction at Wikipedia:How to run an edit-a-thon, and we even have a training programme you can work through on this topic at https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/training/editathons. I have a few personal notes and planning list available for my own use at User:Nick Moyes/editathon, too. As for policies, guidelines and help - do keep these to a minimum (maybe just mention WP:N, WP:V and WP:RS) I did a printed handout (see User:Nick Moyes/editathon/handout1 which contains shortcuts they can use in order to find some of the really useful pages.

I'll spend a few moments putting a some extra ideas for you to consider, but I thought I'd just post this partial reply first. Would I be right in assuming you're a teacher and this is a school class, or is it an extra-curricular activity for people who might not know one another, or is there a shared interest? How much time will you be making available for the event? i.e. might it be a half-day drop-in, or a 45 minute classroom session? Knowing a little more about your intentions might assist me to offer you suggestions. Please ensure you ping me correctly, by signing your post with four keyboard tildes (like this: ~~~~), and including my username in your reply. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:46, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@Peppy Paneer: Right, back again. Here are a few random things for you to consider:

INITIAL THINGS/PRE-PLANNING

What is the groups' current experience of Wikipedia? What do you want to achieve? (e.g. will you focus on using Wikipedia, or actually editing Wikipedia? How much time will they have? What key things do you want them to take away from the event?
Getting attendees to create a free account each prior to the event is highly advisable. (Lots of time gets wasted trying to create accounts on the day.
Suggest they try The Wikipedia Adventure beforehand. (Make sure you have actually done it and got all 15 badges, too!)
Ensure you have enough equipment/wi-fi coverage/helpers on the day
Might you need to get yourself 'event coordinator' rights so you can create more than the normal limit of six new user accounts per IP address, per day? See WP:EVC.
Depending on your focus, do you need to prepare example text for students to work with? If so, you could copy a small part an existing article they are likely to be familiar with, and change it off-wiki so that it contains false information, typos, poor formatting and unsubstantiated facts that they need to find and fix. They should never work on real articles until ready - use the user sandboxes!
Decide whether you're going to introduce them to editing via the normal editing tool, or with Visual Editor. Stick to one, though do mention that the other exists.

ON THE DAY

Get students to bring their own devices for editing, but provide as many laptops as you can if unknown numbers might attend. (Make the wifi password clearly visible to everyone. Tell all mobile phone users to work in 'desktop' view, not mobile view, or there will be problems in understanding any instructions given.
Ensure you record the usernames of everyone attending (signing-in book/blackboard?)- this helps you provide support, both during and especially after the event. You or one of your helpers could even post a welcome message to every attendee during the event, or perhaps afterwards.
If there's not a fixed start time, and students can drop in at any point, consider running a short introductory talk at set times during the event.
Sound travels - intro talks and individual working areas need to be some distance away from each other to avoid noise disturbance.
Introduce what Wikipedia is and what Wikipedia is not. Find out who has used it, and for what purpose. Explain the principle of [[WP:V|Verifiability], and how it is essential only to add factual statements if other people can check these Reliable sources for themselves. Ask the group if anyone has anyone has ever edited Wikipedia themselves. (It's OK for them to admit they only did so out of mischief)
Explain how valuable Wikipedia is to student and schoolchildren around the world, especially in places where books are scarce. Explain how unhelpful it is if articles get damaged through mischief, vandalism, or if wrong 'facts' are included. Explain how they can help to improve content and how cool it is to help others in that way.
Tell them they can get help/support whilst editing by going to the Teahouse and asking us for assistance. And always listen to advice if another editor posts on their talk page.

PRACTICAL EXERCISES

If you have the resources, project a live webpage of Wikipedia on a screen and guide them through the basic layout. (Powerpoint screenshots are the next best thing)
Show them how to log-in (or sign up, if they haven't already), then to add a few lines about their interests. But, ensure they never reveal personal information about themselves or their family - see WP:YOUNG. Demonstrate how to go to their personal sandbox where they can experiment with editing in relative safely.
Get each student to work through The Wikipedia Adventure (but be aware of the limitations on both browser type, and especially of it not working well on mobile devices - see front page of WP:TWA for details), or:
Guide them through working through and fixing mistakes in your previously created dummy article. (Get them to add one reference, if at all possible)
If they're advanced enough by this stage, encourage students to look for articles about their local area/favourite subject and identify things that could be improved. Maybe discuss each suggestion as a group before taking action?

ENDING

Make sure you reprise your key message(s) of the day
Can you provide each person with a takeaway handout summarising what they should have covered, and what they can do next
Do they know how to contact you as event coordinator, or to seek help from us here at the Teahouse.
Ensure you reiterate the importance of not revealing personal details, or treating Wikipedia like social media.
Will they leave your Editathon, appreciating that they themselves can now go on to actually contribute to the world's greatest free online encyclopaedia, and perhaps help someone on the other side of the world who needs information? Will they be empowered and have a sense of responsibility in what they can now do? If 'Yes', then you've done a great job!
Follow up with each user a week or so later. Thank them for coming, ask if they need any assistance from you, and encourage them to continue. A second follow-up can be done a month later to see if they've continued editing.

I hope a few of these rough thoughts might be of some use. (I've had to guess at the type of audience you're aiming at) Feel free to follow up if you have any further specific questions. I did note that you haven't edited here for a couple of years, so it might be sensible to refresh your own editing practice before you dive in at the deep end. Very best of luck, and drop by my talk page with an update if you wish. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:21, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

document servitude

please create an article in wikipedia on document servitude. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.200.107 (talk • contribs)

Hi there, welcome to Wikipedia. I don’t know what that is, maybe Indentured servitude? We can’t create articles for you, but if you would like to, please see Your First Article. Regards, Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 21:41, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Willb234 It is strange that the bot that autosigns in case an (would be) editor doesn't, didn't do it's job. I have no idea who this character was that asked WP to create an article. That brings up another subject. I've noticed from time to time, persons asking on the Teahouse that someone create an article for them. Maybe there should be a clear statement, that editors are volunteers and don't take requests or respond to demands. In other words it appears that there are persons who harbor a belief that WP is an on demand service. Like dialing up Pizza delivery, only it is free.Oldperson (talk) 22:45, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@Oldperson: The bot doesn't always do this immediately, but you can insert an 'unsigned' template yourself by adding, in this instance {{subst:unsigned|24.80.200.107}}. (Just put the relevant username which you can get from the 'View History' tab after the vertical pipe). Nick Moyes (talk) 22:55, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

It's not strictly accurate to say we don't take article requests. I believe we should be redirecting such requests to WP:Requested Articles. Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 06:51, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

I want to upload photo and descriptions

Hi !! I'm new here and I don't know how to use this app even i don't know how to upload it to wikipedia. I'm so curious to know about it. . Please if you know teach me ill be waiting — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sankhilmengnu (talk • contribs) 12:19, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@Sankhilmengnu: Please see your talk page for some important information about Wikipedia, what it is, and what it is not. Thanks. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 07:54, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Questions

Hi!

Q: I want to ask that how can I make my user page protected? permanantly?
Q :How can I make my Images center-aligned?
Q :How can I make other colors like light-blue, dark-green.
Q: My last question is that how can I make images as a link?, I tried to do it in HTML format. Thankyou. Ars147 (talk) 16:20, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@Ars147: I've adjusted your post to make it a little more readable. To answer your questions:

New users and IP editors already can not edit your user page. There isn't an easy way to make it so that nobody but you can edit it. Administrators can protect pages, but MediaWiki, the software that Wikipedia uses, doesn't allow that kind of fine-grained control. There are ways to get around that, but they're complicated and not really suitable for this non-technical board.
To center-align an image you can use: [[File:example.png|thumb|center]]. To center text or other elements, you can use {{center}}.
You can use colored text via {{color}}.
You can use images as links with: [[File:example.png|20px|link=Example|This is my example caption]]. However, you should read Help:Pictures#Links first, because this could violate the license of a non-public domain image. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 17:43, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

@Ars147: A couple additions:

Regarding your user page, I don't see anything inappropriate posted by other users on either User:Ars147 or User talk:Ars147 (other than maybe the IP's comment about a malformed redirect request being a little short). Is there a particular problem you are having?
Regarding image linking, are you perhaps trying to embed externally-hosted images (i.e. not hosted at Wikipedia or Commons) with HTML <img src="...">? That is not supported (intentionally). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 08:08, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Problem in logging in huggle

Hi, when I tried to log in in huggle it says that login failed (on enwiki) authentication requires user interaction which is not supported by action=login. What am I supposed to do?Andrew Base (talk) 04:56, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Andrew Base please raise your request/question here and editor help you accordingly. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 05:36, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi CASSIOPEIA I raised my question there.Andrew Base (talk) 06:43, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

@Andrew Base:, Answered in Wikipedia:Huggle/Feedback. That might be helpful. Regards.--PATH SLOPU 09:00, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

How do I change the title of an existing page?

Hi,

I'm working on the existing page for a film 'Mr. Jerico,' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Jerico but the film's real title is 'Mister Jerico.' How would I go about changing it, please?

Beryl reid fan (talk) 10:00, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Beryl reid fan, The way to change the title of a page is to WP:MOVE the page. If you believe the move would not be contentious, then you can be WP:BOLD and do it yourself; however, if you want to play it safe, you can request the move at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Just going to add that while having the correct title of the film is important, I think there some other problems with the article regardless of whether it's Mr. Jerico or Mister Jerico since it's not immediately clear whether WP:NFILM is met. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:06, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Marchjuly, that's very helpful. Beryl reid fan (talk) 10:47, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Why my changes are rolled out

I have made some changes ,It has been rolled out can I know the reason — Preceding unsigned comment added by PandiJack007 (talk • contribs) 10:08, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

The reason was explained in the edit summaries which you can see in the article history, and an explanation was also added to your user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:15, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

You made changes to Kavin (actor) which were reversed. The content you added may be true, but unless you can provide published sources verifying this, the content cannot be added to the article. Articles about living people have a very high requirement for verification. David notMD (talk) 11:03, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Removal of a page reference from google.

My Article on Partha Pratim Moitra has been deleted twice and I find no hope to get it through in Wiki. But in Google there is still the reference. Is there any way to remove that reference from google? I have rewritten the article, as per guidance from the person who first time deleted my article. Now I understand I am not worth. I contested the deletion but with no effect. Now I intend to learn, how to remove any reference of the person from search engines. As it was no promotional effort it may be embarrassing for the person.Brihannalasom (talk) 10:29, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Brihannalasom. The deleted article Partha Pratim Moitra will automatically be removed from Google search results next time they try to visit the page and discover it's gone. Wikipedia does not control when this happens. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:00, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

(ec) @Brihannalasom: Wikipedia doesn't have much control over external search engines that crawl over its pages. The now-deleted page should (probably) have meta-data on it that will keep Google from indexing it in the future, but I don't know when it might attempt to re-visit the page. You might try looking at Google's help documentation or inquiring at their help forums. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 11:05, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

The article titled "The Fellowship (Christian organization)" has, in its thumbnail the faces of Milton Friedman and William F. Buckley, two thinkers who never had any association with the organization.

Dear Wikipedia people,

This is my first post here, so thank you for reading, if anyone is.

I belief this article to be a gross mischaracterization of both William F. Buckley and Milton Friedman. They never had any part of this odd Christian organization.

I understand that it's part of a series on conservatism in the United States, but I believe that a percentage of readers will not notice that and will assume that the faces on the article will be of members of the organization.

You might not be conservative, but you must realize that this is an unfair representation.

Thank you.

-Clayton Weaver — Preceding unsigned comment added by Claytonweaver97 (talk • contribs) 01:06, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

If you look at the infobox, it says This is part of a series of Conservativism in the United States, and it has the pictures of six men, including Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater, and I doubt that they were members of the organization. But that is irrelevant to the description in the infobox, which is conservativism in the United States. I see no problem here for all six are accepted representatives of conservativism in the United States. The info box is NOT labeled The Fellowship.Oldperson (talk) 01:44, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Courtesy link: The Fellowship (Christian organization). @Claytonweaver97: Try to keep section headers to just a few concise words. Thanks. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 08:31, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Although I understand Claytonweaver97's confusion since the pictures are very prominent and large. Comparing to other "series" templates, this seems unnecessary confusing (cf. {{Libertarianism in the United States sidebar}} or {{Socialism sidebar}}). I reduced the image size to 200px which means it no longer overshadows the infoboxes in size. Regards So Why 09:08, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Also, what a lot of logged-in regulars are unaware of is that the Wikimedia Foundation has been tinkering with the software, and Wikipedia now behaves fairly differently when logged out (i.e., to 99.9% of readers), particularly with regards to the behavior when hovering over links. Log out, hover over this link, and you'll see just why Claytonweaver97 is legitimately concerned that this is misleading. ‑ Iridescent 09:14, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

~~I used Chrome's "Open link in Incognito mode" option and noticed no difference.~~--Auric talk 10:06, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I see what you mean, as the "first image" on the page, it gets displayed. Perhaps they have a logo that can be added?--Auric talk 10:14, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

The feature is mw:Page Previews which can be enabled at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. I don't know whether it's up to date but mw:Page Previews#Rollout Update July 2018 says: "The feature is on by default for anonymous users and newly created accounts and off by default for accounts created before July 10, 2018." Editors often prefer "Navigation popups" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. The image is automatically chosen by mw:Extension:PageImages. {{Conservatism US}} is displayed in 119 articles and its image became the page image for several of them. Individual articles cannot disable it but may avoid it by displaying another image first. It can be blacklisted as page image at MediaWiki:Pageimages-blacklist. I don't know the effect on efficiency if we start blacklisting many images but there are few now so I added File:Conservatism in the United States Collage 2.jpg. It took a few minutes to take effect but it's now removed as page image for The Fellowship (Christian organization). This means it's no longer listed as page image under "Page information" in the left pane. Page previews may use caching and continue to display it for a while. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:37, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

While that was happening, I added a 1px blank image to the article before the navbar transclusion to cause the PagePreview gadget to display the blank image instead. I started to write about this earlier because I recall the issue with NavPops (and my solution to it), but I tried hovering over a link to the article with NavPops and it didn't choose the one from the template. I now realize that was probably because NavPops ignores templates completely (or, configurably, displays their source). I must have been distracted by something shiny on the way to seeing if PagePreview did it

. Anywho, I see my unneeded (and apparently ignored by PagePreview) hack was just reverted. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 10:51, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

As for logo, that was my first thought too, but apparently they don't have one, at least not on their homepage. Regards So Why 11:21, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Help with indexing for page "Michael Hiller"

I need helping out why a page isn't indexed when appears at the end of the articles meta data.

The title of the article is "Michael Hiller" and I've hyperlinked the url to the title of the page in this sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raudy5000 (talk • contribs) 13:56, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

New articles are NOINDEXed until they have been reviewed through the new page patrol process (or 90 days have expired if longer). --David Biddulph (talk) 14:07, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm confused as to why I see INDEX at the bottom of the text and nowhere do I see _____noindex____ as I would expect of the article was indeed not indexed.

Here is what I see at the bottom of the text (with spaces removed):

__ INDEX __ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raudy5000 (talk • contribs) 14:17, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

You have again forgotten to sign your message. The _INDEX_ was added in this edit of yours, but it is ignored, see WP:Controlling search engine indexing#INDEX magic word. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:23, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

NOT AWARE I MADE A MISTAKE

Hello, help me re-edit the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by John kiamaingi (talk • contribs) 15:21, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

What do you mean exactly? All your edits are in your user space. LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 15:25, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

hi

hi 🙋🏻‍♂️ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotfamousface (talk • contribs) 16:14, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Welcome. The Teahouse is a place to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. Do you have a question? I am happy to help you out. LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 16:28, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

How to export settings?

Is it possible to export the preferences to a file, to import later? If not, I suggest it as a feature. ––Handroid7 (talk) 14:33, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

I support this suggestion. Last time I tried to change my preferences, I messed up, couldn't figure out how to get back to their previous state, and had to reset all my preferences to the default state. The ability to make a backup would be really useful. Maproom (talk) 18:39, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes, definitely. I'd back a Wikipedia:Village Pump proposal. Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 18:41, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Are events supposed to be included in articles about universities?

I am currently copy editing Indus Business Academy, Bangalore, which has quite a large section on events held by the academy. To me, it reads in quite an advertising tone, but I'm not sure whether or not to remove them entirely or to try and trim them down to remove the advertising. Any pointers would be appreciated. LampGenie01 (talk) 17:22, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

And they are all primary-sourced and about all the text in the article. WP:AFD may be the way to go, I have not looked after useful sources. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:58, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

I also did a copyvio check due to the tone of the article, and it came up as an 80% possibility of a violation (before I pruned it). Would it still be advisable to go down the deletion route, or try to change it? LampGenie01 (talk) 18:01, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

If you think you can get the article into an acceptable state, go ahead. But I'm sceptical. Maproom (talk) 18:42, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

I've sent it to AfD. Between the copyright violations and the advert like tone (not mentioning the fact that I can't find any notable third party sources on the place), I'm as sceptical as you are. LampGenie01 (talk) 18:58, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

U T khader

Please guys Help me To Create this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Almas Khanum (talk • contribs) 18:49, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Almas Khanum, Wikipedia has had an article U. T. Khader since 2014. Are you thinking of someone else with that name? Maproom (talk) 19:15, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Note that this same editor has removed a declination template unilaterally from the draft Sar Faraz Harfi. I have replaced it, but the article did not become a draft again.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:50, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

drama film

Whenever I hover over the words "drama film" in an article, what pops up are the words "hi fatty". What does that mean? Am I being watched somehow?Dannysgirl39 (talk) 01:05, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Dannysgirl39, welcome to the Teahouse. The text "drama film" is often linked to the article Drama (film and television) which had been vandalized. I have reverted the vandalism. Thanks for reporting it. There is a feature which shows the start of a linked article when you hover over the link. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:20, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Where do I send a bug report about URL linking

Have a look at Worimi language. There is a reference there with the URL https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-03/revitalising-the-aboriginal-language-gathang/10959142 but if you click on the URL in the wikipedia references it goes to https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-03/revitalising-the-aboriginal-language-gathang/10959142%E2%80%AC which is an error page. How do I work out if this is a wikipedia problem or an abc.net.au problem? Thanks, Newystats (talk) 00:10, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Newystats. The url field had a non-displayed character. My browser hinted it by standing still there while pressing left arrow. The character didn't belong there but the software correctly applied percent-encoding to make the broken url. The character was U+202C Pop directional formatting. You accidentally added it in [1]. I don't know how but such things are not uncommon. We probably have loads of them which are undetected because they don't break something. I have removed the character with Backspace. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:30, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! Newystats (talk) 02:31, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

What do I do with pages whose stable version(s) have not been updated?

I've been wanting this question to be answered.

Hi Dozed Off. Update them. David notMD (talk) 02:47, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Edmund de Waal - heavy edit - advice wanted.

Hi Teahouse folks,

I have made a few smaller edits to the Edmund de Waal entry, and now realised that it probably needs a complete clean up/edit/re-write to comply with Wikipedia policies so that perhaps the "A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page. (July 2016)" banner at the top can be removed and so that the entry is more neutral and aligned with Wikipedia's policies.

I was wondering if someone could have a look through the entry and help me identify what may be worth removing and cleaning up so I can learn this for further edits on other pages? I'm unsure if maybe it just needs more citing or links, or if perhaps there is just too much unnecessary information included and it all needs to be simplified. I thought I'd use this entry as a starting point in identifying entries that need a clean up.

Any help would be appreciated.

Fieldguide (talk) 06:48, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

@Fieldguide: Welcome to the Teahouse. Over the years (judging by the talk page and edit history) the artist appears to have employed various assistants to work on 'their' page, and these users have edited very little else. In fact, your own editing history is quite suggestive of that type of new account, though it might be total coincidence? Either way, I feel you should create your user page and declare whether you yourself has (or has not) got any comnection with the artist. Those who are WP:PAID to edit are obligated by policy to declare their employer. Whilst the article is certainly a lot more neutral in tone than it once was, I feel the article template should definitely remain in place for now. There is simply too much uncited listing of innumerable exhibitions, honours and awards for me to feel that someone not closely connected with the subject actually created the content. It would be sensible for someone to work through, line by line, and ensure every 'factual assertion' is either sourced or deleted. I also reckon the very long quote should be cut by half. The middle section seems especially irrelevant. Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:04, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your help and explanation! I can confirm that I do not work for the artist and don't have a conflict of interest in regards to having any connection to them, paid or unpaid. I'm a little unsure what to add to my user page, but I have added my location (Melbourne, Australia) and can add more information later. I read on the talk page of the entry that there was some content that someone working with him wanted to be added, so I thought that would be a good thing to try being new to Wiki editing. I'm currently doing a writing course (de Waal's work was brought up in a lecture, hence me finding his Wiki entry) and thought that Wiki editing would be helpful in helping myself copy edit my own work, so here I am a newbie at Wiki editing at 38. I will certainly take your advice on board when editing the page, there seems to be a lot of talking around the same content and maybe too many exhibitions talked about instead of maybe having a more concise summary of his career. Do you think it's wise to look at other similar artist entries to gain some insight into what is usually added to such an entry? Fieldguide (talk) 10:52, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

@Fieldguide: (Please remember to sign your posts and include the recipients name if you hope for them to be notified of your response) Thanks for that explanation. Just say something like "hi I'm a student artist based in Melbourne; I have an interest in ceramics and plan to editing pages about X and Y but I'm not connected in any way with them" No need to reveal personaly identifiable stuff about yourself, though. Yes, it's always a good idea to look at comparable articles. Do have a go at The Wikipedia Adventure for the basics of editing. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:48, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thanks for the please remember nudge. I've edited my user page, and hopefully, it is clear enough. I'll make sure to check out The Wikipedia Adventure for some basics and start editing in the coming days. Thanks for being so welcoming. Fieldguide (talk) 11:02, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

How to make a draft an article

Hello. Please let me know what I should add to my draft:Draft:Susumu Nishibe to make it an article. Thanks.Nishibe0121 (talk) 05:14, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

The editor who declined the draft provided guidance as to what is needed. David notMD (talk) 12:01, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

incitement to crime

I wasn't able to find an editing policy on edits and images that incite to crime. For example, this image inciting people to set fire to refugee centers was added to several pages without any apparent reason other than to promote hate and crime against refugees. I can imagine that it could even be put back in the article immigration detention if that already had a discusson of hatred and violence against refugees and already had other images showing immigration detention or reception centers. --Espoo (talk) 11:32, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

I assume that those additions have now been reverted. Currently, no articles on the English Wikipedia use this image. Dbfirs 11:58, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

I removed them just now, but i was surprised that it was in immigration detention since Nov 2016 and that there is no warning or explanation on https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fuoco_ai_CIE_graffiti_in_Turin.jpg as to how, when, and whether it is legal to use stuff like this on a Wikimedia Foundation project. Someone even first reverted my removal from the Dutch Wikinews site. --Espoo (talk) 12:15, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Need Help on my first article

Hi there,

I am new to Wikipedia, I wish to create/write about some fun words and their expressions. How can i do that? Please point to me correct link for training or getting started? Thanks DD— Preceding unsigned comment added by DevanshhiD (talk • contribs)

@DevanshhiD: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read WP:NEO for information on articles that are created merely to discuss words or expressions. In short, any word or expression needs to have significant coverage of the word/expression itself in independent reliable sources indicating how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability. Successfully creating any new article is the hardest task on Wikipedia; it takes much time and practice. I would strongly suggest that you spend much time editing existing articles first, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is being looked for. You may also want to use the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 13:06, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

References when translating

When translating into Simple English or German form English, how do I handle references? Do they stay the same or can I just say it's a translation and exclude references for the original language? Help would be appreciated. TheDougster27 (talk) 17:50, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi there TheDougster27. When translating articles, references can stay the same, but the parameters ~~may need to be translated (let me check)~~ do not need to be translated (see here. You will, however, need to add the 'language' parameter in like so:

{{cite web|url=|title=|language=|accessdate=}}

Here I have shown the citation with the required parameters, but with the language parameter included. Another example is:

{{cite web |url=http://www.example.org/ |title=Honi soit qui mal y pense |last=Joliet |first=François |date=30 April 2005 |access-date=15 September 2019 |language=French |trans-title=Shame on those who think evil of it}}

Regards, Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 18:25, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Change of age

One of our client who's page is on Wikipedia is upset over her fake age which is damaging her credibility in showbiz. We edit the age someone again revert it. How we can sort this thing out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muzbg123 (talk • contribs) 17:33, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

You are not permitted to edit until you have made the mandatory declaration of paid editing. After that you can read about conflict of interest and use the article's talk page to suggest edits if you can support the proposals with references to published reliable sources independent of the subject. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:03, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Muzbg123, you can not use a shared account. Every account should be used by one user alone. You also need to comply with Wikipedia policies regarding paid editing. There is a message on your talk page about that. I suggest you not make any more edits until you have complied with the paid editing policy, or you might be blocked. About the particular edit, if it's getting reverted, it's most likely because the info is sourced and you are updating without a source. What you need to do is find a source that supports the change you want to make (see WP:RS), and use the article's talk page to convince editors who are reverting you, that the source you want to update the article with is more accurate, reliable, up to date, etc. Regards! Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 18:08, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

It's quite common for publicity machines to publish false years of birth to keep their celebrities young. If they manage to convince WP:Reliable sources, then Wikipedia sometimes accepts the younger version. Dbfirs 20:23, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

But I never MADE any edits...

I recently got a message saying an edit I made has been undone... but I have never to my knowledge ever edited any page. Is it possible my IP address has been hijacked, and if so , how do I stop this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.108.35 (talk) 16:14, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. IP addresses are often used by more than one person. This does not mean your IP was "hijacked ". If you don't wish to get messages that aren't meant for you, you should create an account. 331dot (talk) 16:18, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Wow! You have an interesting idea of 'recently'. That message was left almost five and a half years ago! Nick Moyes (talk) 16:48, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, if they had been regularly visiting their talk page whichever IP they're in with, and got assigned this IP recently, that is how they would see it, change in talk page wise. Usedtobecool ^TALK ✨ 18:01, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

86.135.108.35, you can safely ignore the message because it was intended for someone else using your IP address years ago. To avoid this problem just WP:Create an account. Dbfirs 20:28, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

adding death date

Hi, How do I insert a date of death? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by P. Tobie B. (talk • contribs) 22:19, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

On which article? Do you have a citation from a reliable source to support the death date? If not, it's best not to post it untilyou do. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:50, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

I assume you were asking about Phyllis Newman. I've added a citation and put the death date in the infobox. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:57, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Editing

How do I become a proper editor for Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steveman 723 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi there Steveman 723, welcome to Wikipedia. To edit Wikipedia, please see the Wikipedia:Adventure so that you can learn the basics before you start. Also, I would recommend you take the Tutorial. I hope that helps, if you have anymore questions, please do return and ask. Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 18:18, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

You have been editing Wikipedia for nine months. You have not cited a source for any of the material you have added to Wikipedia. Please read about citing sources if you plan to become a proper editor.--Quisqualis (talk) 23:24, 15 September 2019 (UTC)