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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 16:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whitetail Ski Resort

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non-notable business C5mjohn 13:43, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Stong Keep - This is on a par with another southern PA ski area (Liberty Mountain Resort) which is not up for AfD. These areas are known and frequented by skiiers from DC and Baltimore. So IMO there is notability here, but it is marginal. --EMS | Talk 15:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I changed my opinion above due to the realization that this area easily meets WP:CORP due to coverage in independent secondary sources (such as the Washington Post) and the nominating editor apparently operating on a basis of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. --EMS | Talk 18:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    comment I too have changed my opinion to Keep I did not nominate this because of "i don't like it" I honestly thought this was not notable. I was convinced these are notable, but there are still many that are not, so I will focus on culling only the very small, obscure and unpopular resorts. C5mjohn 23:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I'm familiar with the ski resort, as it is a popular destination for local (Baltimore/DC Metro area) residents for skiing. Wildthing61476 17:47, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - As mentioned above, this is one of the best-known ski resorts in the DC area; in my opinion, it earns notability as a place where thousands of people flock each year, and even people around here who don't ski are likely to recognize the name. I did a limited search for references to help establish notability, but couldn't find any news articles that were fully available without registration, and a lot of what I did find was admittedly trivial because newspapers just don't write that much about ski resorts that have been around forever. I did list two articles as references in the article.
As an additional comment, I looked at the articles for some other ski resorts picked at random from categories, and none of the ones I saw had any reliable third-party media sources. I am aware that WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS isn't a great argument, though. Propaniac 17:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep If we are going to have articles on ski areas, this one is as notable as any. Mangoe 18:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Mentions typically list all places in an area, and those I saw on google seemed to do that, the ones that weren't blogs. http://www.snowboard-mag.com looked promising but its content is PR releases, snow condition reports, and blogs. The material on this and on Liberty seems to be mainly that they are the 2 closer to Washington DC. Of the two, Liberty is closer. DGG 01:13, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete the keep arguments convince me this ski resort is only notable to the local population. and I have also nominated (Liberty Mountain Resort) for deletion. I don't see why "this one is as notable as any" is true. you need to demonstrate notability for each individual ski resort for it to have an article C5mjohn 04:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Almost all ski areas meet the notability standard, since they are covered in multiple, reliable secondary sources, e.g. Ski and Skiing magazines, plus local and regional newspapers with large circulations. It is simply a matter of someone doing the legwork needed to dig up these sources, which are not always sitting online. There is no need to serially list one ski area after another at AfD. Our efforts would be better spent locating the sources and improving the articles than having AfD debates about them. --Seattle Skier (talk) 08:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment I don't think "because its a ski resort" should be enough to warrant notability. I'm sure there are many restaurants that are reviewed in local and regional newspapers and also reviewed in restaurant and dining magazines, but that doesn't make every one of them notable enough to have an article. Having the non notable ski resorts listed in List of ski areas and resorts should suffice most of the time. C5mjohn 14:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment This is more than being mentioned in the once-a-year ski supplement in the newspaper. Example: There was an article on this area and Liberty Mountain Resort in the Washington Post in January on how they were closed because of the warm weather that we were having at that time. On it's own, this resort is solidly notable. I admit that there are other ski areas that are much more notable, but that it not the issue here. --EMS | Talk 18:23, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
comment I realize now that the restaurant thing was a horrible comparison. C5mjohn 23:06, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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