Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Masses (collective)

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The result was redirect to Heath Ledger. Content can be merged from history. Apart from the creator nobody is convinced that this is notable. Sandstein 20:38, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Masses (collective)

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This seems to be almost exclusively coasting along on inherited notability from Heath Ledger. There's exactly one piece of dedicated coverage here, and that's ref #1 [1]. Everything else is incidental mentions in Ledger coverage. I do not believe that one magazine article makes this collective clear the notability hurdle. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:25, 15 June 2018 (UTC) Elmidae (talk · contribs) 12:25, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your feedback, I will do my best to add primary sources that are purely about The Masses. Let's use your attention to make this article better Jon Phillips (talk) 12:57, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 13:33, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Heath Ledger for the reasons Elmidae lays out. I appreciate Jon Phillips efforts to improve this page but am concerned by their saying primary sources as the way to improve. This article needs secondary sources to improve. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:09, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Working on secondary sourcing. Jon Phillips (talk) 15:13, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:51, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:52, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:52, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I linked up more sources, linked other articles, cleaned up the page hierarchy for more content I'm going to add, put a thumbnail, infobox and some more. I'm still working on the article. Thanks for feedback. Jon Phillips (talk) 10:25, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And added links from seceral more articles now that were just not linked, references, I Am Heath Ledger addition, and connected to Ledger article and more. Jon Phillips (talk) 08:32, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but - as far as I can see, all of these are passing mentions. I'm not sure whether we are on the same page here what constitutes "dedicated, in-depth coverage". The LA Weekly article is that; none of the other refs are. It seems to me that it is rather futile to try and scrape together notability from scattered and three-degrees-removed mentions :/ --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 09:26, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:49, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.