Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scotia Centre Mall (Saskatoon)

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The result was keep. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 11:55, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Scotia Centre Mall (Saskatoon)

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I cannot find sufficient notable independent, substantive, non-run-of-the-mill RS coverage of the notability of this 16-store mall on gnews or gbooks. WP:NPLACE indicates: "Very small malls ... are generally deleted." Was PRODed, but PROD was removed. Epeefleche (talk) 18:56, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete - It does not meet GNG. Very few links can be found most are for another mall of the same name.Edinburgh Wanderer 19:59, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. A search of <"Scotia Centre" Saskatoon> turns up some indications that this project (including the towers as well as the mall) may have been a significant urban renewal project in Saskatoon, controversially replacing a historic theatre in the same location. See e.g. [1][2] and other GNews[3] and GBooks[4] results. Possibly, this article could be refocused and renamed Scotia Centre (Saskatoon). I'd be interested in input from editors more familiar with the area. --Arxiloxos (talk) 20:35, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's possible -- I'll have to check. The mall itself is only 16 stores, and from what I can see does not appear notable. But if the complex were notable ... for example, if it had an article ... then a redirect or possibly a merge would make sense. Am I correct that the 16-store mall is only a small part of the complex?--Epeefleche (talk) 04:44, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:42, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Shopping malls-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:43, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The mall seems to be covered the same as the centre and towers, its a significant development in downtown Saskatoon. Potash Corporation of Saskatchewan has its headquarters there. I dropped in a few extra sources already.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 04:16, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Are you saying that the mall and Potash Corp are each tenants of the centre/tower complex? It's possible that the complex may be notable (I haven't checked), but I'm not as certain about this 16-store mall. The article, as drafted, seems to be suggesting that the notability of the mall's co-tenant (if I am understanding it) makes the mall itself notable.--Epeefleche (talk) 04:44, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, apparently the center has two towers and a retail mall joining the two office towers, I think the best way to cover is to move the article to Scotia Centre (Saksatoon). The mall really does not get separate coverage from the Centre.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 13:35, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. As well as the Potash Corp the city of Saskatoon's head office for the Bank of Nova Scotia makes its home in the Scotia Centre as well as numerous other tenants in the office towers. It was started as a project when the shopping malls were being addressed on wikipedia. I agree, with the above comments, the Scotia Centre is more notable in the city for its offices that serve from the towers. I agree, making an article entitled Scotia Centre, and discussing all of the attributes would be more notable and beneficial. SriMesh | talk 23:18, 25 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I just found out in another Articles for Deletions discussion that villages no matter how small are automatically notable for Wikipedia inclusion purposes. This mall is no different? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:07, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A mall is not a village, though.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 15:40, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agree w/Milo that a mall is not a village, and thus doesn't fall under that approach. I wonder if Milo's !vote isn't a keep (I don't think -- but correct me if I am wrong -- that he is suggesting that the mall itself is notable), but rather either a move (to an as-of-yet created article that he thinks may be notable) or merge (to same). Technical difference.--Epeefleche (talk) 17:04, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd rather we move to Scotia Centre (Saskatoon). Am happy to spruce it up once AfD is closed.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 17:15, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and rename to Scotia Centre (Saskatoon) and edit the text accordingly, per my "comment" above and Milo's quality research and improvements. --Arxiloxos (talk) 17:27, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Saskatoon. For a major Canadian city, this article has minimal information on local business and commerce. Rather than creating new stub articles, I think it would be better to add a Business section to Saskatoon, to hold information about the malls, and any other retail parks, as well as local corporations. Fmph (talk) 12:46, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and Move to Scotia Centre (Saskatoon) as discussed above. Sources added by User:Milowent put this past the GNG and V bars. BusterD (talk) 00:00, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and Move to Scotia Centre (Saskatoon) the mall does not meet GNG but the centre appears to.Edinburgh Wanderer 00:06, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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