Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rentathon

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 08:05, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rentathon

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Looks like an advertisement. Lack of significant coverage and containing independent content. Also this is the case of COI too. One of the founders name matches one of article's contributor's name 'Ayush Pai' who is the key people in the company. Calliopejen1 and Umakant Bhalerao have already declined the draft. DMySon (talk) 08:01, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. DMySon (talk) 08:01, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. DMySon (talk) 08:01, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. DMySon (talk) 08:01, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: The creator of the article (96.59.140.58) and User:John Sewasa tried to removed afd tag. DMySon (talk) 17:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The article has 5 secondary news articles cited backing up the claims that are being made. There are articles from WFLA, Bay News 9, and the official Congress Website.

Cut to the chase, Delete as it's an app that's less than a year old, in a beta-testing phase, and on the Google App store as browsed from a PC claims to have been downloaded 10+ times, and reviewed once, by its own creator, who gave his own creation a 5-star rating; all the sources are non-independent or local news (and an app like this isn't notable unless it achieves at least some national interest). In detail, the references: the first two are non-independent and don't confer notability; (3) WFLA is denying access to the whole of Europe; (4) baynews is local; (5) is the award-site, confirming that they won a section of the competition; (6) is just the app on GooglePlay, not a source; (7) "Bizjournals" is local, and is a two-line statement that someone saw their booth; it says nothing about the product at all (except that it wasn't yet available at the time of the reference); this reference has been grotesquely puffed-up in the article - the article claims that they were selected as one of the top 7 out of more than 300 - if you read the article, it doesn't say they're the top anything, it says here are 7 start-ups you might have missed; (8) is Wikipedia and therefore not a reliable independent 2ndary source; (9) and (10) are the same local news clip, and (11) is access-denied. It is definitely TOOSOON. It would be kind to draftify, but as it currently reads like advertising copy, it'd probably be best to scrap the current article and start again if the app takes off. Sorry. Elemimele (talk) 21:41, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In response to Elemimele. The point of a wikipedia page is to provide reliable information to the people searching it up as we are rolling out to production. Also, it does not make sense why local news stories don't work. Aren't they still reliable secondary sources? Can you give examples of news networks that would count? Because I can give a list of 5-10 wikipedia pages that I have seen that just rely on local news sources and they have never been removed.

Additionally, it was featured on a national Indian news network: India West: https://www.indiawest.com/news/global_indian/winners-of-2020-congressional-app-challenge-include-many-indian-american-students-across-u-s/article_8ef4c02e-c729-11eb-ac8a-13aff25c8f4c.html << from 96.59.140.58

I'm not trying to be unkind! The guidelines on notability are here [1]. For example, notability requires "significant coverage", i.e. the reference needs to make more than passing reference to the subject of the article. That's the problem with the India West reference: it is a one-line mention in the middle of a much larger article. No, Wikipedia isn't here to provide information as a product is rolled out to production; we can't vet commercial products to tell whether the producer's information is accurate, and this isn't a review or marketing site. We're not here to provide information about things that are going to happen, we're here to provide an encyclopaedic view of what has already happened, and been recorded somewhere else as having happened. The point at which Rentathon becomes appropriate for Wikipedia is when it's already spread across the whole country (or beyond) and become a significant product. That is what I meant by TOOSOON; some things will become notable, but aren't yet, and Rentathon may be in that category.

On the local references, you are right that some articles have only local references, and if they're about a local subject, that's fine. But an app like this isn't a local thing. It's a globally interesting app, on sale in 150 countries, so if it only attracts local interest, it probably doesn't meet WP's guidelines.

I also have to remind you that when you write "as we are rolling out to production" you're implying that you are associated with the company. If you are part of the Rentathon team, you must declare that you have a conflict of interest; if you're paid, you must also declare that you are paid. There's a template {{paid}} for doing so, but I'm not sure how this applies to an IP-address editor.

Another minor thing, could you sign your comments by adding 4 tildes at the end (~~~~)? It helps people see who's written what. Thanks! Elemimele (talk) 07:08, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and salt if they refuse to respect consensus as indicated in the declined drafts. The point of a wikipedia page is to provide reliable information to the people searching it up as we are rolling out to production. NO, no it's not, and there are no pages here. Creator also hasn't indicated which sources meet WP:CORP/ORG. Star Mississippi 17:47, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and WP:SALT There are so many red flags here. Draft declined twice [2][3] but then moved to mainspace anyway [4] by a user who has since been blocked as a sockpuppet (see SPI). The AfD message has been removed twice [5][6] and the AfD discussion has been blanked once [7]. Strong indications of WP:COI issues as noted in the nomination. Altogether, I am comfortable saying that this is more than sufficient evidence for deletion per WP:DELREASON#14 (Any other content not suitable for an encyclopedia), specifically WP:NOTPROMO. TompaDompa (talk) 19:25, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - bad faith article, undisclosed paid-for spam. Does not deserve to be considered on its merits for inclusion. MER-C 14:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, concur with MER-C’s and others’ reasoning above. Zsinj^Talk 19:28, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can it be kept as a draft for now instead of it being deleted? 96.59.140.58 (talk) 04:42, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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