Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Princess Margarete of Thurn and Taxis

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎ , noting no opposition to the sources used in the article's significant expansion. czar 20:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Princess Margarete of Thurn and Taxis

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No significant coverage in reliable secondary sources independent of the subject and each other. The only notable source currently is a notice of her wedding in the New York Times, so her article can be redirected to her husband's which already covers that event. All the other mentions are trivial or directory entries. DrKay (talk) 18:33, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Royalty and nobility and Belgium. DrKay (talk) 18:33, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Alessandro, 1st Duke of Castel Duino (although I doubt the Duke's notability as well). I have been unable to find significant coverage in reliable sources. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:53, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Duke is barely notable so why redirect it to him? He is probably less notable than Margarete because all that's really stated on his page is his marriages and issue. Azarctic (talk) 15:25, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep she is notable for her wedding (WP:1E) where she obviously played a significant part in. the event was notable because most ruling princely families in Europe were represented at the wedding. And some sources are secondary but reliable (WP:BASIC). Azarctic (talk) 17:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1E says we likely shouldn't create an article for a person who is only notable for one event. It doesn't establish a person's notability. voorts (talk/contributions) 16:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know that but that isn’t the only thing she’s notable for and WP:1E is if the person plays a significant role in an event and if the individual is notable then it should be put into their article. Also that’s just one of the reasons why we should keep the article because it goes into depth about the event as well as her biography which has reliable citations. Azarctic (talk) 16:57, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't even think the wedding is notable in itself (if it was there would be more than just a notice in the NYT) but what is this other thing they are notable for that you are alluding to but not actually stating? I can't seem to see it in the article. D1551D3N7 (talk) 23:55, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if it isn’t notable which it is, why should her page be deleted it still has enough coverage, her husband and father are probably less notable as her husband has only one reference so if anything he should be redirected/deleted, not Margarete’s page which should not be redirected or deleted. Azarctic (talk) 14:47, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. Article only contains information about relationships to family members and her wedding, nothing to indicate independent notability. D1551D3N7 (talk) 23:58, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is what most articles on Wikipedia are like though. Especially royalty ones because marriage is a big event in royalty. And not once has the article mentioned anything about relationships to family members except for her birth and marriage which is usual for a Wikipedia biography. Azarctic (talk) 00:31, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is considered an argument to avoid. 66.99.15.163 (talk) 13:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. No less notable than her husband or father, both of whom have extensive articles. Plenty of RS coverage to substantiate notability. Gamaliel (talk) 23:21, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete. The keep arguments are variants of 'she was present at one notable event' or 'we have articles on other non-notable people that she's related to'. These are arguments for deletion not retention. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:09, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You haven’t even made a proper reason to delete the article. Azarctic (talk) 20:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I said, being present at one notable event does not make that attendee notable, nor does having non-notable relatives. Celia Homeford (talk) 07:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So your saying your vote to deleting it is because she was not notable at one notable event… I don’t think that’s a proper reason still… Azarctic (talk) 16:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep I would have advocated for a redirect to the articles on his father or husband but they don't appear to be more notable than her. In any case, I don't think the article should be entirely deleted because there is some coverage in outside sources. Keivan.f^Talk 14:06, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Keep the page as she was not known only after her marriage to Prince Gaetano of Bourbon-Parma. I have some information about her that is present in some books on the house of Bourbon-Parma (the one by Juan Balanso in French and another in Italian). If I have time I will try to add information. I thank the creator of the page. I was just thinking of creating the page on Princess Margarete myself.
MariaAmaliaduchessadiParma (talk) 02:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
keep per above. IMO, she is enough to be notable per GNG. 81.231.253.231 (talk) 20:50, 12 August 2024 (UTC) — 81.231.253.231 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Aydo h8^[contribs] 23:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

keep satisfied with MariaAmaliaduchessadiParma's work and i can see she was public figure in her time. I also found this [[1]]. Thanks 223.204.71.128 (talk) 00:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - significant coverage in reliable sources of her times proves that she was a public figure, no less than Paris Hilton or Pippa Middleton today. Bearian (talk) 02:49, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets basic notibility requirements with substantial coverage in reliable sources.--Ipigott (talk) 08:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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