Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Newpoint Schools

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Whether or not to move to a new title can be handled editorially. Star Mississippi 21:46, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Newpoint Schools

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No citations & original editor is now blocked on Wiki Mr.EugeneKrab$ (talk) 21:02, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:15, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:15, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:15, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - no valid reason for deletion cited in nomination. School districts notability is determined per WP:GEOLAND. Are you contesting the existence of this school district? It can easily be improved to show notability and that's what AFD determines. It is in no way based on the current state of the article. 69.92.163.38 (talk) 15:07, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the article could perhaps be moved to "Newpoint Education Partners" and explain the history of the company as they specialize in charter schools; WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP applies here, but I see no harm with the AfD as it's not obvious what Newpoint Schools is until reading a bit. An interesting fate for the "company" as the CEO was charged with racketeering and organized fraud in 2017. [1]:

From 2007 to 2016, Newpoint managed 15 public charter schools in Escambia, Bay, Duval, Hillsborough, Pinellas and Broward counties. All told, the schools received more than $57 million in public funds from the state of Florida and various school districts.

It seems various issues have popped up for the schools [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] that information could be presented and suffice GNG. – The Grid (talk) 16:54, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for digging. My keep vote above stands, but with your justification. I should know better than to assume. Nominator is relatively new, and I hope he's picked up on the ideas contained in WP:BEFORE. 69.92.163.38 (talk) 21:29, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @The Grid: for doing that research. With that information, the page could be benefitted. Also, thanks for sharing WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP, as I was not aware of these guidelines. As for 69.92.163.38, I reviewed WP:GEOLAND and personally don't believe it is applicable here, or, at least, not obviously so. Only began AFD discussion because the page as it currently exists would not have been accepted by AFC (was created in 2014). Go ahead and keep, but please improve the page then. Mr.EugeneKrab$ (talk) 18:14, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you look above, I already said that my argument is invalid as this isn't a school district. However, for a school district my argument is valid as school districts are quasigovernmental administrative units with fixed geographic boundries, taxing authority and elected officials. A further thing you're probably not aware of is at one point in Wikipedia's history, all secondary schools were considered notable. A third thing is Wikipedia rules and guidelines are proscriptive not restrictive. In other words, what happens at AfD is not necessarily dictated by the rules; rather the rules are supposed to be determined by what happens at AfD. Also, passing AfC is not a valid argument at AfD. Just FYI. Happy editing! 69.92.163.38 (talk) 23:49, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is this is not a school district. Newpoint is a chain of charter schools spanning counties. This is why I stated above that this AfD could have been done in error from anyone. We have discussion of it, it's all good, and we can get past this. – The Grid (talk) 16:06, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 01:18, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and possibly move to Newpoint Education Partners per The Grid above. I did a newspapers.com search and easily found a plethora of coverage (e.g. [7], an above-the-fold front page story in the Tampa Bay Times). The company isn't called "Newpoint Schools" (most articles call them "Newpoint schools" after identifying the owner) so I think a move could be appropriate here. Easily passes WP:GNG, and a good reminder that AfD is not clean up. The article is currently in a sorry state, but it should be tagged instead of being deleted. Nomader (talk) 03:53, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.