Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manan Shah (Ethical Hacker)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. —SpacemanSpiff 02:00, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Manan Shah (Ethical Hacker)

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Beyond aggressive WP:BOMBARD, there is no clear indication this person meets WP:NBIO.

The MTV India show is only supported by an unreliable content aggregator, with no reliable sources.

One would think that the Microsoft Security Response Center's "top 100 Security Researcher in the world" would be supported by something other than a local paper mention, but searching for his name at their site found nothing at all.

All other claims to notability are either overblown, or are trivial passing mentions.

This article has previously been deleted as spam several times at Manan Shah, which is now WP:SALTed. All of them (I think), like this one, were created by WP:SPAs. The most recent was created by Mananrockx, who's username matches Manan Shah's personal website domain name. Grayfell (talk) 21:30, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

See also Draft:Manan Shah. Looks like the article's creator got impatient. Grayfell (talk) 21:41, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Oh, we also have deleted articles at Manan Rockx Hacker and Manan Rockx. Sheesh. Grayfell (talk) 21:44, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

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• Geeknnerd (talk) 22:45, 26 June 2016 (UTC) This page should not be speedily deleted because... some other references of almost every single credible media covering Manan :

Reason 1: Listed in India's top 100 security researcher list - Bhaskar Leading News Portal

Reason 2: Hall of Fame in Facebook, Google, Paypal

Reason 3: MTV Webbed 2 Host (Found in Wikipedia Also)

Reason 4: Workshop : merged link with other wiki page like paramarsh, click asia

Reason 5: Your Story Source

Reason 6 : Application Developed

Reason 7 : Yo Success

Reason 8 : Top 10 Most Famous Hackers of India

Reason 9 : School and Collage Allumini :

Reason 10 : Dekh Bhai App : India's Most Popular Meme Generator App millions of download from playstore

Books :

Facebook Hacking https://www.amazon.in/Facebook-Hacking-Security-ebook/dp/B01HL6WPQW?ie=UTF8&keywords=manan%20shah&qid=1466980882&ref_=sr_1_2&sr=8-2

Gmail Hacking https://www.amazon.in/Gmail-Hacking-Email-security-ebook/dp/B01HLAHJW8?ie=UTF8&keywords=manan%20shah&qid=1466980882&ref_=sr_1_3&sr=8-3

deleted articles : i find manan shah in wikipedia but wiki says only admin create this so i used this name actually i want only manan shah. also this is my first article so i dont know how to use or edit previous articles.

Other References

Gujarat Samachar https://scontent-sin1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/1471849_702530689759973_1397298465_n.jpg?oh=75db5e1cea3099e2c10744afadf0eee9&oe=57D016BF

Speaker | Organizer | Volunteer https://www.ted.com/tedx/events/15289 http://socialmediaweek.org/mumbai/volunteers-bloggers/ http://harkeraquila.com/15143/news/research-club-speaker-series/

Patrica http://avalance.in/media/press/patrikaemail.jpg

DNA http://avalance.in/media/press/dnamay1.png http://avalance.in/media/press/dnaindia.jpg

Daily Business http://mananrockx.com/db.pdf

Nav Jaipur Times http://mananrockx.com/pdf/newspdf3.pdf http://mananrockx.com/pdf/newspdf2.pdf http://mananrockx.com/pdf/newspdf1.pdf

The Economics Times http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/small-biz/startups/inshorts-acquires-app-startup-betaglide/articleshow/49364912.cms

Bing http://advertise.bingads.microsoft.com/en-in/training-accreditation-find-a-pro-directory?memberid=adf65a53-e6d1-4630-ae2d-5dc467b16bbb

City Bhaskar http://mananrockx.com/resume/img/port7.jpg http://mananrockx.com/resume/img/port9.jpg http://mananrockx.com/resume/img/port8.jpg http://mananrockx.com/resume/img/port2.jpg http://mananrockx.com/resume/img/port3.jpg http://mananrockx.com/resume/img/port4.jpg

I know some references from his own website but this is all scan copy so i can trust him and his the very renowned in india. so i create this page

Thank You.

References

This is a very good example of Wikipedia:Bombardment. Other Wikipedia articles cannot be used as references, per WP:CIRC, and both Paramarsh and Click Asia Summit have serious promotional problems anyway. Which schools he attended doesn't matter at all, and those were recently added by an IP who has been promoting this person and his company. The TV hosting still needs to be supported by reliable, independent sources, and even then it's not clear that it makes him notable. News clipping hosted on Manan Shah's own website are poor-quality sources. I have already explained this, and so has one of the editors who declined the article's draft (which you ignored). Yourstory.co is so unreliable and over-used by PR people that I thought it had been added to the spam blacklist. Being certified by Bing is totally trivial and irrelevant. Ethical Havok is a forum, which is not usable. Volunteering for clubs is also totally irrelevant. TedX speakers are common, and should not be confused with TedTalks. I'm sure there's more, but picking through all this line-by-line is impractical. Grayfell (talk) 23:21, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

• Delete per failure of WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO. Grayfell's argument covers the sourcing problems here pretty well; if this person were truly notable, there would surely be better sources than what we've got, which boils down to unreliable websites, self-published material, and other Wikipedia articles (lots of sources does not by itself mean notability). While the mention on Microsoft's Top 10 may have pushed me more towards "keep", it doesn't seem too reliable; does anyone notice how the entry about this subject is in a different font than the rest, and how the grammar is inexplicably lacking? Perhaps it's been hacked into itself, given that the subject is a hacker (ah, irony), but regardless, it doesn't seem trustworthy enough for me. Due to lack of reliable sources, and extensive, non-trivial coverage by multiple uninvolved parties (a Google search turns up nothing along these lines, while a Google News search turns up nothing at all), deletion seems the best way to go. Colonel Wilhelm Klink (^Complaints|_Mistakes) 00:08, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

The Microsoft thing is just an anonymous forum post. The username is "Security News" and the top 10 list is a "question" posted to a general discussion area. It's not at all reliable. The only other post by that user is this from the same day, which says it all. Grayfell (talk) 00:22, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks; thought something was funny. Colonel Wilhelm Klink (^Complaints|_Mistakes) 00:28, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

• Geeknnerd (talk) 00:32, 27 June 2016 (UTC) dear greyfell

ok i can understand but other articles? and news section all articles are published in leading gujarati news paper.. manan shah is the renowned in gujarat state well as india.and his other link ?

ok and can you please explain this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falgun_Rathod

Google search : https://www.google.co.in/#q=falgun+rathod

News Search : https://www.google.co.in/#q=falgun+rathod&tbm=nws

and please i don't compare this but which people is the famous in gujarat. both are listed in india's top 10 hackers. but manan's all articales are published in gujarati news paper..

this is my first article so i don't know all the wiki policy but yes i loved the wikipedia and love to spend time here.

thanks after your choice admin.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geeknnerd (talk • contribs) 00:39, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

I admit I do not know Gujarati, but I am very skeptical that these are quality sources. Local news coverage is never as good as national or international coverage. Some of these claims mentioned by Divya Bhaskar, such as the "top 10" and "top 100" lists, appear to totally unsupported by any other source, but that doesn't make any sense. Wouldn't Microsoft, a very large US-based company, mention it's "Top 100" hackers somewhere on one of its own sites? Somewhere other than a puff-piece in a Gujarati newspaper? Microsoft India is based in Hyderabad, and doesn't appear to have a Gujarati presence. This kind of thing makes the brief mentions in Divya Bhaskar seem much less reliable overall. Brief press-releases republished as content ("churnalism") and passing mentions, generally don't count for notability, and that's what these look like to me.

I'll take a look at Falgun Rathod, as it definitely looks suspicious as well, but please see WP:OTHERSTUFF. I do not see anything in the logs for Falgun Rathod that suggest this was repeatedly recreated and deleted. Each article should be judged on its own merits, but when an article is deleted and recreated as often as this one (at least seven times) it suggest a problem. Wikipedia is not a platform for advertising.

Oh, and I'm not an admin, by the way. Grayfell (talk) 03:00, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Geeknnerd (talk) 05:44, 27 June 2016 (UTC) ok i think you are right...so what can i do...i try to find good source...Thank you

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. GSS (talk) 08:12, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. GSS (talk) 08:12, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

• Geeknnerd (talk) 12:35, 30 June 2016 (UTC) so when can i remove the deletation notice

You should not remove the deletion notice. When this discussion is closed, the notice will be removed if the article survives. My comments on the talk page were about cleanup notices, which are a different category. Grayfell (talk) 20:38, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

• Comment: I nominated Avalance Global solutions, the article about this person's company for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Avalance Global solutions. I also started a sock-puppet investigation which includes both articles' creators: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nxtgenwiki. Grayfell (talk) 02:53, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Firstly, this WP:AFD is a mess. Secondly, for all of the clear WP:COI and the WP:SOCK report, we have only had input to delete from one person other than the nominator, so I will relist this as it is in need of further input to establish a consensus. Another editor has also relisted his company, Avalance Global solutions. KaisaL (talk) 02:22, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, KaisaL (talk) 02:22, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

• Here's the YourStory story:

There's no mention in NullCon website

No mention of manan shah on guinness book of records: http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/search?term=manan+shah

No mention on limca book of records: http://www.limcabookofrecords.in/search.aspx?catId=&text=manan%20shah

Links listed are google forum and Microsoft social. Even i can post such fraud posts and claim to be a hacker.

on top of that you can clearly see that the post has been edited with point 5 being written in a different font. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lordinvalid (talk • contribs) 04:33, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

References

Geeknnerd (talk) 10:08, 4 July 2016 (UTC) yes this is right. but i also found his paper cutting news from his website and this is the renowned person from gujarat and cyber security industries so.

and guiness book and limcc record both are delete his previous record. you can search it others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geeknnerd (talk • contribs) 10:10, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Geeknnerd (talk) 10:11, 4 July 2016 (UTC) also we are deleted from wiki because no proof

"also we are deleted from wiki because no proof" So you accept you are working for the said entity-Avalance? Lordinvalid (talk) 17:06, 4 July 2016 (UTC)lordinvalid

I'm not sure about that, but YourStory.co is not a reliable source. yourstory.com and .in have both been added to the spam blacklist, and this site looks like more of the same. That link also doesn't work for me anymore, suggesting the specific article has been deleted. That should be an indicator of what we're dealing with. Grayfell (talk) 20:38, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Geeknnerd (talk) 08:37, 5 July 2016 (UTC) no i don't working with avalance. and your story is the leading startup portal its TATA group venture

Geeknnerd, please format your entries similar to the others. Signatures go at the end, and us colons (:) to indent one level further than the comment you are responding to. Yourstory might be popular, but that's irrelevant. It's been heavily used by paid sock puppets, PR people, and SEO manipulators. It has no reputation for accuracy and fact-checking. Both of these are why it's been blacklisted before. Calling it a "portal" means it's aggregating content from elsewhere. It's would be better to cite the original story, but that also must be a reliable source. Grayfell (talk) 21:34, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

• Delete as still not enough the levels of substance enough for his own actual notability, it's that simple; what I'm seeing here is not convincing. SwisterTwister talk 06:26, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
• Delete, I concur that the level of sourcing is not wide or independent enough, especially with some of the claims being made, such as the "msrc's top 100" strongly suggesting sourcing should be available which isn't there. Crow^Caw 18:33, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

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