Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jia Rizivi

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The result was keep‎. I see a consensus that there are adequate sources that help establish GNG. Thank you for putting together the source assessment table. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:10, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jia Rizivi

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Semi-advertorialized article about a filmmaker, not properly referenced as passing inclusion criteria for filmmakers.
The attempted notability claim here is an unreferenced list of minor awards from small-fry film festivals whose awards are not instant notability clinchers -- WP:NFILM is looking for Oscars, Canadian Screen Awards, BAFTAs or major film festivals on the order of Cannes, Berlin or TIFF whose awards get broadly reported by the media as news, not just any film festival that exists -- but apart from two hits of "local woman does stuff" in her own hometown media (and a New York Times hit that tangentially verifies the existence of a podcast that she was not involved in creating, and thus is not about her in any GNG-contributing sense), this is otherwise referenced entirely to primary and unreliable sources that are not support for notability at all.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have a stronger notability claim, and better sourcing for it, than this. Bearcat (talk) 18:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and Canada. Bearcat (talk) 18:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:11, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Article was at a misspelling of her name: I moved it to Jia Rizvi (as on her website and in other sources), then realised one isn't supposed to move an article during an AfD and moved it back again. So as I type it is at the wrong title. PamD
Note also: most sources refer to her as Jia Wertz, but her own web page uses Rizvi. PamD 09:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: there seem to be enough articles about her as film-maker. It was a badly-written article but I've cleaned up some of the problems - use of forename, curly quotes, lack of links, overlinks, etc. PamD 09:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And bizarre system of reference names too: "one" etc. Have fixed the most-re-used. PamD 10:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. She doesn’t seem to pass WP:NDIRECTOR but the Calgary Herald and GlobalNews profiles are sufficient SIGCOV for this to clear WP:GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:TOOSOON. She’s won some accolades in smaller film festivals, but not the bigger ones like Cannes (which actually isn’t that difficult to get into). Right now, the sourcing isn’t up to the level we usually expect from significant coverage. Bearian (talk) 02:10, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:32, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I'd welcome more participation here and review of sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:28, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep Awards section needs sources. Xegma(talk) 14:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Does anyone else find it odd that someone with no other edits uploaded her photo and arranged for copyright permission to be emailed a few days before another editor began writing this article? Reviewing sources, nothing seems secondary or significant. jwtmsqeh (talk) 19:12, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I still stand by my week keep with at least two sources (and possibly more) constituting WP:SIGCOV in WP:SIRS. Did a quick source assessment table:

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
https://calgaryherald.com/entertainment/movies/calgary-filmmaker-battles-injustice-with-films-about-wrongfully-convicted	Major daily newspaper of Calgary	Major daily newspaper of Calgary	Significant profile, goes beyond mere interview	✔ Yes
https://globalnews.ca/news/7528263/calgarian-new-york-jeffery-deskovic-documentary/	Major Canadian media outlet	Major Canadian media outlet	Extensive coverage of Rizvi and her work	✔ Yes
https://americankahani.com/perspectives/and-justice-for-all-a-conversation-with-jia-wertz-whos-taking-on-the-american-judicial-system/			Review of Rizvi's film combined with reporting/interview on her career	✔ Yes
https://www.dtmg.co/news/digital-trends-announces-dei-advertising-award-recipients	Press release	Primary source		✘ No
https://gritdaily.com/review-true-crime-documentary-conviction-sheds-light-on-shortcomings-of-the-criminal-justice-system/		?		? Unknown
https://www.pnw.edu/center-for-justice-and-post-exoneration-assistance-at-purdue-university-northwest/advisory-board/	Primary source official bio		Trivial mention of bio alongside other bios	✘ No
https://youthrepresent.org/boardofdirectors	Primary source official bio		Trivial mention of bio alongside other bios	✘ No
https://www.rbij.org/rbij-blog/justice-champion-spotlight-filmmaker-jia-wertz-wrtc3	Primary source; interview	Primary source; interview		✘ No
https://medium.com/authority-magazine/filmmaker-jia-wertz-the-power-of-flexibility-how-i-was-able-to-pivot-to-a-new-exciting-c566da99c8ec	Primary source; interview	Primary source; interview		✘ No
https://browngirlmagazine.com/jia-wertz-advocates-for-criminal-justice-reform-with-her-documentary-conviction/	? Mostly interview-based	? No byline; unknown reliability		? Unknown
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/business/media/serial-podcastings-first-breakout-hit-sets-stage-for-more.html			Does not even mention Rizvi	✘ No
https://globedocspresentsconviction.splashthat.com/	Primary source (her film)	Primary source	No coverage; just a link to her film	✘ No
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jiawertz/		Her own writing is not reliable for coverage of herself		✘ No
https://www.pnw.edu/center-for-justice-and-post-exoneration-assistance-at-purdue-university-northwest/advisory-board/	Primary source official bio		Trivial mention of bio alongside other bios	✘ No
https://www.pnw.edu/center-for-justice-and-post-exoneration-assistance-at-purdue-university-northwest/advisory-board/	Primary source official bio		Trivial mention of bio alongside other bios	✘ No
https://www.pnw.edu/center-for-justice-and-post-exoneration-assistance-at-purdue-university-northwest/advisory-board/	Primary source official bio		Trivial mention of bio alongside other bios	✘ No
https://www.georgiainnocenceproject.org/general/beneath-the-statistics-the-structural-and-systemic-causes-of-our-wrongful-conviction-problem/		Advocacy organization	Does not even mention Rizvi	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Furthermore, the "delete" !votes are not engaging at all with the sources presented or all the potential guidelines of notability. We're not here to determine whether the article was created by a conflicted editor (I bet it was, but that doesn't matter as other editors are fixing it). The quality of film festivals she's gotten into doesn't have bearing on whether WP:GNG is met. I agree that she doesn't pass WP:NDIRECTOR, but the sourcing is clear that she does pass GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:25, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think an interview with her counts fwiw, but all three are about Conviction more than her. If anything, I think an article about the documentary would be better than an article about her per Wikipedia:Notability (people) § People notable for only one event. jwtmsqeh (talk) 07:48, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: As I can see, most of the reliable sources covered her for her efforts in the justice system and the filmmaking is just part of that effort and hard to say it is just single event. Instant History (talk) 06:46, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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