Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jan Geersing

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 06:26, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jan Geersing

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Small town mayor. Meets neither WP:NACTOR or WP:NPOL. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:39, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:52, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:52, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:NPOL, as small-town mayors are not inherently notable. WP:POLOUTCOMES states that "Local politicians whose office would not ordinarily be considered notable may still clear the bar if they have received national or international press coverage, beyond the scope of what would ordinarily be expected for their role". I ran a search through NexisUni and Delpher, which shows the articles of all major Dutch news publications, and I could find no coverage outside of the Leeuwarder Courant, which is the local paper of Geersing's area. - Tristan Surtel (talk) 17:07, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: What is wrong with Leeuwarder Courant? According to GNG also regional sources are counting towards notability. SportsOlympic (talk) 18:32, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's a fine newspaper, but mayors don't have automatic notability. Local papers will obviously cover their local mayor, but more is needed to show that a mayor is not only of significance to their own town. And for WP:GNG, multiple sources are required; the Leeuwarder Courant is one, but multiple sources need to have described the article's subject. - Tristan Surtel (talk) 21:05, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See my reply below with also other sources. Besides of that also coverage in national newspaper Trouw for example: see here. SportsOlympic (talk) 06:24, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jan Geersing clearly passes WP:NPOL #2 and the WP:GNG. He was a member of the Frisian parliament and a mayor but never a "small town mayor". As SportsOlympic points out, Delpher contains many articles on the late politician. No lack of articles in de De krant van toen (regional) and Digibron (national) either. WP:POLOUTCOMES is not a policy or a guideline so cannot trump policies or guidelines. It's a discussion of past AfD results. When using it by way of "policy" it becomes circular argumentation. Best, gidonb (talk) 02:35, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Meets WP:GNG, multiple secondary sources about the person. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and >200 newspaper articles. NPOLITICS also states “ Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage” SportsOlympic (talk) 18:01, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Clearly meets WP:NPOL #2 per WP:SIGCOV, WP:RS, and WP:V, as well as the WP:GNG. Geersing never was a "small town mayor"! Unfortunately, the nominator fails to identify Geersing as an elected member of the provincial parliament and belittles his career. The sole support for deleting picks up nom's erroneous small town mayor line. gidonb (talk) 19:46, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. gidonb (talk) 01:56, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Per Gidonb's improvements of the article. KittenKlub (talk) 07:20, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Are Frisian parliamentary members covered by WP:NPOL? SportingFlyer T·C 15:24, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think so Provincial Council of Friesland. If so, then the article should be kept. --Enos733 (talk) 17:53, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That was my sense, but I wanted to discuss it because I'm not familiar with these provincial councils. He passes WP:NPOL. SportingFlyer T·C 19:33, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

At most Weak keep -- The local newspaper is RS, but the lack of coverage elsewhere must point to questions of his notability. The population of the area of which he was mayor (according to Dutch WP) seems to be just under 10,000. Members of provincial councils are local politicians, not national ones. I think I argued the opposite a few months ago and was contradicted. He comes on the fringes of notability at most. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:36, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Most of the references in the article (7 out of 12) are from national, not from regional press. As Peterkingiron correctly points out, both count toward notability. In fact there are many more references in the regional press. I stopped adding as notability was already clearly established. WP:NEXIST also applies. gidonb (talk) 15:34, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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