Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Health and Physical Education Arena

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Winged Blades^Godric 03:25, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Health and Physical Education Arena

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Non-notable university area. Fails GNG. References are passing mentions, not in-depth independent coverage. Can be mentioned at TSU article in the Athletic Facilities section with a redirect. There is no reason for a stand-alone article. I previously redirected this, but was reverted with comment "Division I basketball arenas are notable". That seems to be opinion not based in policy hence taking to AFD. MB 16:29, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As I said in my reversion, Division I basketball arenas, especially active ones like this, are considered notable by consensus. Also, the arena will be hosting University of Houston basketball games next year as well (another Division I team) so simply stating that information in the TSU article is insufficient. In fairness, that information wasn't in the article when it was redirected, but I have since added it. Smartyllama (talk) 16:44, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. Smartyllama (talk) 16:45, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Smartyllama (talk) 16:50, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the well-reasoned arguments of Smartyllama. Lepricavark (talk) 17:19, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:31, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:31, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the above (especially Smartyllama). --TheSandDoctor (talk) 05:32, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment No one is providing any sources to demonstrate coverage necessary to justify an article, or provided a policy exemption. Vague claims that based on prior "consensus" are not based in policy. WP:CON applies to article content. In the case of AFD, consensus means there is a consensus about whether this topic meets or does not meet a notability guideline. Please explain how it does. MB 13:53, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 05:13, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or merge. What consensus? I'd suggest a merge to some list, but I cannot find a relevant one. The building does not seem notable - it has no independent coverage - and the fact that some notable people played sports there doesn't make it notable. Notability is not inherited. Sport venues should not be notable because they are locations of notable events, just like we shouldn't say that 'this music hall is notable because a notable musician played there' or 'this gallery is notable because notable artist had her works displayed there'. And so on. Closing admin should also remember that quality of arguments, and their respect for our policies, should matter - this is not a vote. (And anyway, I see one argument against, and then two Wikipedia:Arguments_to_avoid_on_discussion_pages#Per_others). PS. If possible, I'd prefer a merge of this content somewhere rather then deletion. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:21, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Usage of the arena as a home court for an NCAA Division I basketball team is a strong claim of notability and the sourcing here is adequate to support that claim. Alansohn (talk) 19:22, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Claims" of notability need to be supported by coverage. MB 20:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Upon googling this I found multiple third party sources talking about this arena that would meet notability per WP:GEOFEAT. A consensus was made at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball a few years ago that all D1 basketball arenas are notable. You can see at Wikipedia:WikiProject College Basketball/Master Table there is a list of all articles for each school. EVERY school in D1 basketball has an article for its arena. If this is to be deleted it would be the only D1 school without an article for its basketball arena which doesn't seem right and could cause issues in some of the basketball templates that link to the arena articles.Mjs32193 (talk) 13:21, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

1. Can you provide any links to show how third party sources talk about this arena. 2. The fact that is linked in a template is irrelevant, WP does not establish notability. 3. Is there any documentation of this "consensus" from a few years ago, and how can a project override GNG? 4. A redirect can be kept to keep a blue link in the template, however there are many templates with redlinks throughout WP so that is really not important. 5. I see this AFD is advertised at the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball which is probably what is attracting so many keeps that aren't providing valid arguments. MB 18:30, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And notifying relevant WikiProjects is exactly what you are supposed to do. Smartyllama (talk) 19:32, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Looking into this, I think the arena is more commonly-known as "H&PE Arena". Articles discussing Houston playing here use that term. Those articles, I believe, help establish notability. IMO, the other keep arguments here are a bit weak and are mostly of the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS type. I think adding more reliable sources to the article are the best way to improve the article and keep it from being merged/redirected to Texas Southern. — X96lee15 (talk) 14:00, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Again, there is no coverage of the arena, even under the name "H&PE Arena". A passing mention that some event is happening in the arena is routine and not in-depth coverage about the topic. MB 18:30, 17 May 2017 (UTC) See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martin-Lipscomb Performing Arts Center for another place with similar goggle hits - just announcements of things happening there. Yet no one is arguing keep. Sports should not be handled differently. MB 18:53, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Added additional references. Division I basketball arenas/stadiums are considered notable by consensus. Sports should be and are handled differently.spatms (talk) 22:40, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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