Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haitian French

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The result was AfD moot; article speedily deleted for copyright violation; no prejudice against re-creation in cleaned-up form. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:51, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Haitian French

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Not a formally-recognized language or dialect of French. The intro calls it an umbrella term for all french spoken in Haiti, yet then lists "native to" as all places around the world where Haitians migrate to. Farcical and un-necessary content fork D P 11:05, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I'm sorry, if "Indian French" can get a page about a language early spoken, I think it is fair to say Haiti should have a page based on its spoken French as Canada has, as Cuban Spanish has, as Dominican Spanish has, as African French has. French is the official language of Haiti as well as Haitian Creole.Savvyjack23 (talk) 11:25, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You need a source that the Haitian diaspora speaks Haitian French as opposed to generic French or acrolectal Haitian creole. IMO, we should only have national varieties of a language when (a) it is linguistically distinct or (b) common in the lit; otherwise we should have articles on language X in country Y. An article titled "French in Haiti" would be clear that it is about the status of the French language in Haiti, without linguistic implications. We also wouldn't have the problem of claiming that Haitian expats speak "French in Haiti". — kwami (talk) 21:39, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Caribbean-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:53, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:53, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Haitian French seem to me a perfectly legitimate subject for an article.

Corinne Etienne (UMass) is a useful source on this. She has written on "Lexical particularities of French in the Haitian press: Readers’ perceptions and appropriation." Journal of French Language Studies (Cambridge University Press), 15 (3), (2005), pp. 257-277. And . "French in Haiti" History, Society and Variation: In Honor of Albert Valdman 28 (2006): 179. In this latter she directly disccusses whether Haitian French exists, how Haitian French is defined and how Haitian French is viewed. The article needs more work - not deletion (Msrasnw (talk) 17:01, 11 February 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Keep. I don't know who needs to formally recognize Haitian French – definitions of languages and dialects are notoriously controversial – but there is a literature on Haitian French as distinguished from Haitian Creole. See for Schieffelin and Doucet: "Currently, most creolists no longer accept the view that Haitian French and kreyol are varieties of the same language, but regard them as two distinct languages" (1994 p. 179). Cnilep (talk) 05:10, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Msrasnw. Seems adequately sourced in the literature.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 18:42, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for obvious reasons already mentioned above Dwscomet (talk) 21:37, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Similarly (although also in a developmental stage), there is a "Français haïtien" article written in the French Wikipedia explaining a few differences as well. It also contains a paragraph similar to the language table on this article. Savvyjack23 (talk) 12:12, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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