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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Soucing is of insufficient depth and independence. Star Mississippi 02:25, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Morano

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Non-notable media personality and political operative; sourcing is simply confirmation of where he works. Article is PROMO. Oaktree b (talk) 02:02, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If the sourcing simply confirms where he works it wouldn’t matter because WP: SIGCOV. The multiple sources are Staten Island Advance, NY Times, Politico, Variety and Radio Insight are more than sufficient for WP: SIGCOV. The sources discusses his career as a radio producer and radio host, his radio program is based in the largest metro area in America. The sourcing discusses his unpaid career in third party politics on Staten Island which is a significant geographical area of over 400,000 people.Fodient (talk) 02:18, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I concur completely and I note this as someone who has spoken to him in person as well as on air many times. 100.37.241.149 (talk) 17:21, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This article is more propaganda than fact. It should be deleted. Especially when Frank Morano has a fringe audience, even if he is now nationally syndicated. 100.37.241.149 (talk) 17:56, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This page should be deleted due to incorrect information.

Keep Well cited with reliable sources and significant coverage.Blordfam (talk) 10:33, 20 July 2023 (UTC)— Note: An editor has expressed a concern that Blordfam (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion. [reply]
NoteWho said that this comment was from canvassing? Fodient (talk) 05:05, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Tons of links in article, very well sourced, all about nationally ranked radio host. RobotUSA (talk) 06:56, 21 July 2023 (UTC)— RobotUSA (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
He's not as highly ranked as John Batchelor, Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, or Brian Kilmeade. Nor is he as credible as any of them. This piece really reads more like an advertisement for a mediocre radio talk show host who disdains STEM but prefers to host science denialists and conspiracy theorists like RFK Jr and Michael Medved to name a few. 100.37.241.149 (talk) 17:35, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This doesn’t matter due to wp:OTHERSTUFFFodient (talk) 16:32, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As per wp:sigcov and wp:gng107.127.7.6 (talk) 18:05, 21 July 2023 (UTC) — Note: An editor has expressed a concern that 107.127.7.6 (talk) has been canvassed to this discussion. [reply]
NoteWho said that this comment was from canvassing? Fodient (talk) 05:04, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to get more participation from regular editors who aren't fans of his show to assess whether or not the sourcing is adequate. Personally, though I think the guest list of his wedding is the height of trivia, I have only seen content like that in biographies of royalty.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:58, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I don't see anything particularly notable about this "media personality/political operative", and agree with @Oaktree b:, that the article is pure WP:PROMO. There are dozens of talk-show/podcast hosts out there, it doesn't mean they should all have a Wikipedia article, especially those with a fringe audience. - BlueboyLINY (talk) 23:16, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You're saying its a promo or a resume, but what about it is a promo or resume? Your statement of "There are dozens of talk-show/podcast hosts out there, it doesn't mean they should all have a Wikipedia article...", if there are reliable sources and significant coverage then yes, as long as someone makes an article they should be here. This article has the NY Times, Politico, Variety as major nationwide reliable sources, and other local or niche sources that exceed a minimum requirement for significant coverage. Fodient (talk) 00:19, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Still doesn't meet the notability criteria for WP:ANYBIO. BlueboyLINY (talk) 00:38, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Even if he didn't, that's not necessary. WP: ANYBIO is in the Additional criteria section that states "A person who does not meet these additional criteria may still be notable under Wikipedia:Notability." He would qualify for WP:CREATIVE The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors which is demonstrated by the attendees at his wedding. Fodient (talk) 01:00, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Having a large wedding doesn't imply any sort of notability I'm afraid. Oaktree b (talk) 01:10, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree it doesn't but it is indicative of The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors' Fodient (talk) 01:15, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's PROMO simply by existing in wikipedia, it helps boost search rankings and adds to the online presence of the "thing". More hits equals greater ad revenue for the "thing". Oaktree b (talk) 01:09, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just by saying its a promo doesnt mean its a promo or that the intent is to promote something. Fodient (talk) 01:14, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, without prejudice. (Disclaimer: Referred to dispute from RFC bot on subject article's talk page) I do think that there is an intent to promote, and I do see that there is reasonable cause for a close connection. He's not an iconic broadcaster on a global basis (like Joe Rogan) nor on a local basis (like Pittsburgh's Joe DeNardo); saying he could be in the future would be a WP:CRYSTALBALL violation. While anything is possible with him, we don't determine notability based on unconfirmed notions; rather, we wait until such figure becomes notable and then write. It's how things have gone for a long time, it's a policy I support, and I neither foresee nor desire that its core message be changed.InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 02:15, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    By saying he's not Joe Rogan is an WP:OSE argument. As you said "we don't determine notability based on unconfirmed notions", and that's true. We confirm notability based on reliable sources which are here by the way of the NY Times, Politico, and Variety, also local news from America's largest metropolitan area and niche sources confirm. If there's evidence to promote, then present it. Fodient (talk) 02:25, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Such sources mention him in passing and little have SIGCOV. I don't think that my usage of Rogan and DeNardo constitutes as an OSE argument. The examples provided in OSE are along the lines of We do not have an article on y, so we should not have an article on this; not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that Morano is not like Rogan where there are in-depth sources without affiliation to the subject. The NY Times article you bring up mentions him only ONCE, and in passing just for being the chair of some local board. I have qualified my statement of intent to promote with "I think"; since I am not god of the universe, I cannot know everybody's intentions, but I do get a gut feeling in my stomach based on previous debates that there is some intent to promote based on previous deletion. I qualify my statements when I am not 100% sure that something is the case, and it is important that you recognize such. If you would prefer that in my discussions with you that I replace "I think" with "I get the feeling", I would be happy to do so. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 03:39, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. From the looks of it, this is a situation where there seems to be enough coverage to satisfy WP:GNG, but there are serious problems with the way the article is written. While there are many citations throughout the article, in spotchecking the references, it seems like some of them fail verification – in other words, they don't always back up the specific claims made. The only way to justify saving this article is to fix this – fact by fact, sentence by sentence – because per our WP:BLP guidelines, Wikipedia cannot keep inaccurate/unverified information in biographies of living people. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:14, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Give me an example of something that's not backed up by the sources? Fodient (talk) 04:19, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    To start, I'm stuck at footnote 2 – "since been syndicated"? Cielquiparle (talk) 04:35, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for fixing this. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:46, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Footnote 4 – "a completely subjective power ranking"? That's non-neutral and you can't cite the ranking itself as the source for that claim. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:38, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I removed "completely subjective" for you. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:48, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Footnote 7 – broken link to non-existent page, quote in reference also isn't relevant. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:39, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks. Typo on the link, fixed it.Fodient (talk) 04:52, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Improper use of external link – That William Shatner reference needs to be correctly formatted as a citation, or removed. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:51, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I didnt put that there, I eliminated it. Fodient (talk) 04:53, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    First section: Frank Morano is an American radio personality, radio, television and film producer, and political operative. He currently hosts the syndicated talk radio program The Other Side of Midnight from Red Apple Media's flagship station 770 AM WABC. Right out of his biography on WABC website. Not the best source but reliable enough to confirm his current employment.

    Radio host section: Starting in 2011, Frank Morano hosted Morano in the Morning on 970AM The Answer. In 2020, he began hosting The Other Side of Midnight overnights on WABC. The show has since been syndicated The source states he went to WABC in 2020. We know thats the name of his program. I just added a source stating his program is syndicated.

    Producer section: As a producer, Frank Morano has mostly worked in talk radio. He, produced programs on 770 AM WABC and 970 AM The Answer. The hosts of these programs included Joe Piscopo, Curtis Sliwa, and John Catsimatidis. On Newsmax, Morano was the managing editor for Liquid Lunch and a producer for Vito Fossella's Table Talk. He served as a producer for the 2017 Netflix documentary Get Me Roger Stone. I can remove As a producer, Frank Morano has mostly worked in talk radio., maybe its WP: OR but that seemed obvious based on the ratio from source. Newsmax's website listed him as managing editor for that program but that source was removed, probably incorrectly.

    Political section Frank Morano is a Staten Island resident that has been involved in local politics. Morano is currently the board chair for Staten Island Community Board 3. Morano was originally registered with the Independence Party of New York. He resigned from the Independence Party in 2010 after the party leadership refused to grant a Wilson Pakula to Republican State Assembly candidate Nicole Malliotakis. He went on to serve in a leadership role for New York State third parties with ballot access Reform Party and SAM Party. Everyone of those sources confirms everything in that section.

    Personal life Frank Morano is married to Rachel O'Brien. Vincent Ignizio was his best man, and their wedding was attended by Nicole Malliotakis, John Catsimatidis, John Gotti Jr., Joe Piscopo, Carol Alt, Betsy McCaughey, James Oddo, Joe Borelli, Michael Cusick, Ronald Castorina, Dan Donovan, Fred Cerullo, Vincent Gentile, Sal Albanese, Robert Auth. The SI Advance confirms everything here. Fodient (talk) 04:39, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Well cited with reliable sources 2607:FB91:1980:D29:E00F:3922:8BEE:C3BD (talk) 23:27, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Which reliable sources independent of the subject or his job are WP:SIGCOV? InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 03:40, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    He is the subject of articles. Additionally multiple news outlets have reached out to him for quote or felt his opinion was significant enough to be quoted in their news article. The significant coverage by reliable sources of the subject, his job, voluntary political work, and his personal life is what makes him notable. All of which occurs in the largest metropolitan area in America. Fodient (talk) 17:12, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    What articles? The ones that are online and are from reliable sources which are presently cited in the article mention him once in passing, which doesn't meet our notability standards. The fact he's in the NYC area doesn't matter when it comes to notability; if that were the case every person from NYC would be notable and we'd be flooded with database-entry like articles which are solely justified per OSE matters. Some of them aren't even online as when I try to read them, I get a 404. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 17:31, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Being from NYC is a factor. A media personality in huge market is going to be more notable than a media personality in a small market, and when you add in syndication the notability increases. No one is saying that merely being from NYC makes you notable. Reference 2, 3, 9 and 13 are about the subject. Reference 11, 12 have him significantly mentioned - the politico article mentions his name thirteen times. Reference 4 has a notable publication demonstrating his rankings. Reference 5 and 6 are reliable sources that amplify his producer credits. Reference 7 and 8 provide reliable sources that indicate his community service. Although he isn't affiliated with one of the two major parties, the totality of the references indicate that the subject is a major local political figure in NYC third party politics WP:Politician. Fodient (talk) 19:10, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Hosting a radio show which is only confined to one metro doesn't make such person notable. Morano did not make the same impact as a mayor or as a celebrity. Reference 13 is WP:TRIVIA. Bragging about community service as you've mentioned for refs 7 and 8 seem to me like a method to promote. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 03:05, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The article mentions that he is syndicated and two refences support that, I don't understand why you're saying in one metro area. I have no affiliation with the subject. Are you claiming that I'm bragging for him with references 7 and 8? I guess to some degree personal life sections are always WP:TRIVIA, but the eclectic group of notable people indicates that this section supports person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors. Fodient (talk) 03:44, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. There are sources covering the subject, but not many go into depth about him. I do not see how his radio shows, marriage, party affiliation and community board service are notably different from many other people's. Senorangel (talk) 23:54, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note There's no evidence of canvassing. There's one user posting a non-existent link claiming that canvassing is occurring. Fodient (talk) 05:09, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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