Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Duncan Baird Publishers

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 23:39, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Duncan Baird Publishers

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This article is full of false information, but since it's about a real former company, I don't know if it qualifies for WP:G3. I'm nominating at minimum per WP:TNT but I can't really find notability of the company anyway, so I don't think it's actually notable. To run through several things here:

In 2008, Duncan Baird Publishers was acquired by the Quarto Group [...] In 2017, the Quarto Group announced that it was consolidating its imprints and restructuring its operations to focus on key markets and categories. As a result, Duncan Baird Publishers was merged with other Quarto imprints to create a new division, Quarto Publishing. I can't verify this at all, but I did find that it was acquired by Osprey Publishing in 2012 and rebranded as "Nourish" in 2015 (official website), which contradicts the article.
Every book named on the article was not published by Duncan Baird.
- The Food Doctor by Ian Marber - actually Collins & Brown
- The Complete Guide to Natural Healing by Tom Monte - actually Berkeley Publishing Group
- The Cancer Survivor's Bible by Jonathan Chamberlain - actually Long Island Press
- Cooking with Wine by Fiona Beckett - actually Ryland Peters & Small (also written 2005, so could not have won an award that it did not win anyway in 2010, more on that below)
- The Gardener's Year by Pippa Greenwood - actually Summersdale Publishers (also published in 2012, as far as I can tell, where the article claims it was published in the 2009-2010 book award year)
- The Art of Calligraphy by David Harris - actually Dorling Kindersley
- The Zen of Creativity by John Daido Loori - actually Ballantine Books
- The New Encyclopedia of Orchids by I.F. La Croix - actually Timber Press
In 2010, the company won the Gourmand World Cookbook Award for "Best Book on Cooking with Wine" for its title "Cooking with Wine" by Fiona Beckett The winner of the cooking with drinks category in 2010 was The Kentucky Bourbon Cookbook by Albert Schmid. A book titled Cooking With Wine won in 2001 but it was written by Anne Willan. Fiona Beckett won in a different category in 2021.

I have no idea where any of this information came from. Personally, after a recent LLM incident at ANI in which LLMs were generating false information and hoaxes, I would like to know from the article creator if this was written using an LLM.

But, either way, while trying to verify information in the article, I did not immediately find significant coverage establishing the company as notable on its own, and its acquisition and rebrand is covered already at Osprey Publishing. Even so, I think this needs to be TNT'd. ~Cheers, Ten Ton Parasol 21:33, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Looking at the creator's contributions, they were working on articles related to LLMs just before this one, so perhaps they tried using an LLM to create the initial version without realising it was mostly nonsense. Adam Sampson (talk) 13:48, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and United Kingdom. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:42, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, obviously and clearly. RobinCarmody (talk) 21:37, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As Per Nom. Charsaddian (talk) 05:08, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Given the extent of the detail set out in the article text but questioned above, I left a message on the article creator's Talk page asking if there are alternative sources which can support the text as written. AllyD (talk) 07:38, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect: One way to address the concerns above would be to stubify the article, removing everything after the introductory paragraph. However, the notability issue remains: I am not finding evidence that Duncan Baird Publishers / Nourish attained notability, and I think that would stand even if they could be shown to be associated with the various awarded and/or controversial books discussed above. (A redirect to Osprey_Publishing#History could be an option, though I would first recommend the stubification, to alleviate future confusion if someone looked at the contradictory pre-redirect text.) AllyD (talk) 07:49, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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