Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Lutz

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The result was delete. Barkeep49 (talk) 04:17, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Lutz

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Local politician, notability is not clear from the article. Ymblanter (talk) 08:09, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lutz is a Mountain Party leader, article has been edited to reflect this. As one of the two current officeholders, he is a speculated candidate for Governor, though such decision will not be announced until after the party's State Convention later today Gappalachia (talk) 08:59, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of West Virginia-related deletion discussions. Ymblanter (talk) 08:09, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:38, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Being leader of a minor political party without legislative representation is not an automatic inclusion freebie, and neither is being that party's gubernatorial candidate — the notability test for politicians is holding a notable political office, not just running for one. And of the nine footnotes here, six are primary sources that are not support for notability at all, such as his own party's self-published content about itself and raw tables of election results from the state elections agency — and of the three that are actually media, two are the purely routine "candidate questionnaire on the issues" that every candidate in every election always gets, thus not constituting evidence that his candidacy is special, and the third is not about him at all, but just offers a glancing namecheck of his existence in an article whose primary subject is somebody else. This is not enough. Bearcat (talk) 11:17, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What political offices are deemed notable? Holding an elected regional (multi-county) Supervsior position for a State Agency isn't good enough? Today Lutz has been announced as the party's gubernatorial nominee. While I agree the sources can be improved upon, that "glancing namecheck" characterization is hyperbolic and overlooks the reality that Lutz not only organized the event, but in his current elected position is a major stakeholder in the controversy. Better sources and information will be added. Gappalachia (talk) 22:20, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, a regional supervisor position for a state agency definitely is not good enough, and no, being his party's gubernatorial nominee is not an inclusion freebie either. The only "inherently" notable roles that automatically guarantee inclusion in Wikipedia the moment a person holds them are: president, state governor, cabinet officials, national and state legislators. And no, not candidates for those offices, either: actual holders of those offices only. Any other role below the state legislature gets a person an article only if they can be shown to have a nationalized profile backed by nationalized coverage. Bearcat (talk) 04:09, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep being a party leader seems notable enough to me. 108.14.43.250 (talk) 22:40, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sockpuppet vote removed Humanengr (talk) 20:48, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Except it's not notable enough for WP:NPOL, which is all that matters. There's nothing "inherently" notable about being leader of a minor party that has no legislative representation. Bearcat (talk) 04:09, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete none of the coverage in the article qualifies, I can't find any qualifying coverage per WP:GNG, and none of his positions pass WP:NPOL. SportingFlyer T·C 17:35, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lutz is not even the state level leader of the Mountain party, he is just the person on the comittee from State Senate District 16. That means at best he is one of 16 members of the state party leadership, or in the top 17, and for all I know there are more than 16 state senate districts in West Virginia. Even if Lutz was with the party that controlled the governorship and state legislature, he would still not be considered notable for holding the position he holds. When it is a party that has 0 members in the state legislature, than this is absurdly far from making him notable. Again, he is not the state head, so that is not even remotely close to being a sign of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:11, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as non-notable. --Lockley (talk) 09:43, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.