Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Hartman

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 02:28, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Hartman

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I don't believe that Hartman is mentioned sufficiently in reliable sources to meet the requirements on notability. I propose that this article be deleted, an article on the group Hartman heads, Fairness Campaign, be created (currently redirects to Hartman), and Hartman redirect to that article. The group, which has no article, is more notable than its current leader, Hartman. ← George^talk 18:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Commment - I'm the one that made the list at of potential sources at Talk:Chris Hartman#Hangon, but I admit that I'm not an expert on what which of the sources are reliable or how much coverage is considered sufficient coverage in this situation. I just knew that there were more sources available. I'm fine with at least this discussion about how to proceed. Some links are primary sources, but others—namely wave3.com, whas.com, fox41.com, time.com, wlky.com, courier-journal.com, and kentucky.com—are legitimate, mainstream news outlets. I agree that Fairness Campaign should probably have an article, but I'm not sure that merging them is the correct approach. Hartman has been politically involved before becoming director of the Campaign—at least in John Yarmuth's campaign—and likely will be afterward. It is probably true that most of the sources are related to Fairness work, so I understand the rationale for merge or deletion, but an individual can also be notable on their own and I'm not sure if statements attributed to a group's director should automatically get associated with the group. —Ost (talk) 18:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I had done a quick Google news search, which only returns 7 hits for Chris (or Christopher) Hartman associated with Fairness Campaign. This is opposed to over 100 for the Fairness Campaign itself (it looked like several different movements used the name, so I added the term 'gay' to limit the results, but the underlying point is that the group is significantly more notable than the head).

And are we sure that the Christopher Hartman who worked for John Yarmuth is the same Chris Hartman that heads the Fairness Campaign? The source cited attributes the information to a blog, which no longer exists. Are there any sources that mention Hartman in the context of both? I couldn't find any, and it struck me as odd that the Hartman associated with the Fairness Campaign was almost always spelled 'Chris', while the one associated with the Yarmuth was almost always spelled 'Christopher'. I was only able to find 4 results that mentioned a Hartman in the context of Yarmuth, so I'm not sure how notable that is either.

To quote WP:N, "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article," emphasis mine. I just don't think that Hartman has received significant coverage, as most cases where he's mentioned are just short blurbs, not actually describing or discussing him. ← George^talk 10:10, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:17, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per nom. Does not meet general notability guidelines. -Reconsider ! 10:00, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:27, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per nom. --Epeefleche (talk) 08:01, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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