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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to Evangelical Methodist Church of America. Consensus seems to indicate a redirect as preferable to deletion, since it's possible more sources might be found to meet GNG or SNGs. BusterD (talk) 13:09, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Breckbill Bible College

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Does not meet WP:ORGCRIT as lacking "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Currently has no secondary sources whatsoever. AusLondonder (talk) 23:07, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have just looked at the first book mention. It is literally a single sentence.... AusLondonder (talk) 05:36, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jclemens: What part of WP:NSCHOOL is met here? AusLondonder (talk) 03:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The key difference is that the stricter ORGCRIT standards do not apply to schools; GNG will suffice. What did your BEFORE turn up? Jclemens (talk) 04:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure you've read NSCHOOL because it states "All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations (i.e., this page), the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria." AusLondonder (talk) 05:34, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And Jclemens seems to have summarised that quotation (which contains the word "or") very well. What makes you question whether that editor has read NSCHOOL? Phil Bridger (talk) 13:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm currently reconsidering this. The school does not appear to have a working web presence, and I have been unable to find it in any of the various Bible college accreditation organizations. I'm thinking it may fail V. Jclemens (talk) 22:43, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per WP:ORGSIG:
No company or organization is considered inherently notable. No organization is exempt from this requirement, no matter what kind of organization it is, including schools. If the individual organization has received no or very little notice from independent sources, then it is not notable simply because other individual organizations of its type are commonly notable or merely because it exists
YordleSquire (talk) 16:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: An analysis of sources would be helpful in this discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, voorts (talk/contributions) 01:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For source eval.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 05:12, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NotAGenious (talk) 07:02, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Created with templates {{ORGCRIT assess table}} and {{ORGCRIT assess}}
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor.
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Secondary? Overall value toward ORGCRIT
Melton's Encyclopedia of American Religions [1]: 287 
 Yes Yes No The entry is about the Evangelical Methodist Church of America, and all it says of this facility is "Educational Facilities: Breckbill Bible College, Max Meadows, Virginia." That is it. – Encyclopaedias are technically tertiary, but that would be good enough if coverage were significant
Encyclopedia of Christianity in the United States. [2]: 832 
 Yes Yes No Caveat: I had to use google books preview for this as I don't have access to the volume. However, Google books only shows one hit for Breckbill, on page 832. All the entry seems to say is as above, the EMCA operates Breckbill Bible College in Max Meadows, Virginia. – Encyclopaedias are technically tertiary, but that would be good enough if coverage were significant
breckbillbiblecollege.org [3]
 No This is their own website Yes They would be reliable for telling us about themselves Yes All about the Bible College No Clearly they are a primary source for themselves
isainet.com [4]
 No Statement from the Academic president, email Manahath@..., and copyright the Bible College. Remember that email address. – No reason to doubt that someone from the college is reliable about the college, although the URL just places this in someone's user space. – Many editors would say three paragraphs are significant. I don't see it is really enough to be writing an encyclopaedic page from though. No It is a statement from the Academic president of the college. That is a primary source.
edutrek.com [5]
 Almost certainly not independent. It is a directory listing, and I expect that has been placed. However, I don't know that is the case so I'll leave that as unclear. Yes It's just an address but I do not doubt reliability. No Two sentences and an address. This is a directory listing This question is moot. I would say it is primary but the source fails on significance anyway.
No This book was found in the deletion discussion. Per Left guide the publisher is Manahath Press. Now, recall the email address above. This is a small publishing arm of the college. Yes I expect the college is reliable about themselves I have not read the book. It is likely to be yes. Unclear without reading the book, but as it is not independent, it is already ruled out.
So on this basis, I think we are clearly at no notability for a page, but the way it is handled in the two encylopaedia references is the way this encylopaedia should handle it too. Breckbill bilble college is the educational arm of the EMCA and should be (and is) mentioned on that page. This page should redirect there. I hope other !voters can indicate whether they are content with this proposed WP:ATD.

References

  1. ^ Melton, J. Gordon (2003). Encyclopedia of American Religions. Gale. p. 396. ISBN 978-0-7876-6384-1.
  2. ^ Kurian, George Thomas; Lamport, Mark A. (10 November 2016). Encyclopedia of Christianity in the United States. Rowman & Littlefield. p. 832. ISBN 978-1-4422-4432-0.
  3. ^ "Breckbill Bible College - Home". breckbillbiblecollege.org. Archived from the original on 16 January 2014. Retrieved 12 February 2014.
  4. ^ "Breckbill Bible College". isainet.com. Archived from the original on 8 October 2013. Retrieved 12 February 2014.
  5. ^ "Breckbill Bible College". edutrek.com. Archived from the original on 12 February 2014. Retrieved 12 February 2014.

Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:49, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding not having access to Encyclopedia of Christianity in the United States, I found a copy of the book from Internet Archive here, which confirms this is a passing mention. Cunard (talk) 12:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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