User talk:Symphing12
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[edit]I am a long-time Wikipedia user, relatively new editor from the United States. I mostly focus on topics concerning classical music, Bollywood music, and some aspects of Indian culture (e.g., Sanskrit, ancient epics, etc.). I am still learning how to do certain things, such as citing sources using the formatting procedures on Wikipedia, but I think I'm getting the hang of it. Symphing12 (talk) 17:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
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I understand your adding of the pronunciation, but why have you removed the Devanagari? noychoH (talk) 11:17, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- There is a consensus to remove Indic scripts from the lead and infobox, so I was complying with that. Symphing12 (talk) 14:02, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Where is this consensus? Never heard of. Could your show me the link? noychoH (talk) 16:21, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- It's a fairly lengthy read, but it can be found here:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics/Archive_64#Multiple_Indicscript_in_infoboxes_are_out_of_control Symphing12 (talk) 16:38, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you, I shall read it. At a first glance this consensus concerns only infoboxes, not leads, which seems to me to be clearly called attention to in one of the last paragraphs of the discussion. But I shall study it in details, haven't had much time for that by now. What more - this consensus seems to me not too widely accepted, not implemented (in effect: void) if your consider how many articles contains Indic scripts in leads (I have not studied inforboxes, this isse is completely out of my interest). Anyhow, even if someone accepts this to remove the Indic scripts from the leads, then it does not contradict re-entering the same IS into the text of the article, or does it? noychoH (talk) 18:21, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- I guess if you were to include it elsewhere, and it makes sense to do so, that would not be against it? It's confusing but I'd like to follow it if they have a consensus. Symphing12 (talk) 18:30, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- I have not had time to fully study the talk you have mentioned, neither the other talk about lead, I am not sure if I am convinced, yet I will take some time before I will offer something. Yet I would like to attact your attention to the activity of the User:Javierfv1212 Replacing Devanagari with Brahmi in the lead of the articles on Buddhist Mahayana texts. See e.g. Vairocanābhisaṃbodhi Sūtra. I think this issue should be discussed anew (the old consensus, 8 years ago, was udertaken with a talk among 14 people only, and if I underestand well some comments - all or most of them were only from India, which was undelined as a weak point of that consensus). At least the practice of the User:Javierfv1212 should be remarked by those who participated the discussion for that consensus. I have sent a message to all of them. If we start the discussion anew, I would join join it with interest. noychoH (talk) 21:13, 25 October 2023 (UTC) (PS.) I didn't know how to edit the discussion - because the link you have sent was a mobile link, and I do not use mobile, and in my computer it looked strange, and I couldn't change anything unless I have understood hwat .m. is). noychoH (talk) 22:01, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
- It's an archived discussion. It can't be edited. We would have to open a new one. I don't know if I necessarily want to do that though.
- As for the Brahmi script, I think it's things like that which led to the consensus from a few years ago. I don't know how many readers of English Wikipedia can even read Brahmi, and so it takes up a lot of space that isn't useful to the reader. Not sure how to tackle it, but it may just need deletion, or relegation to a footnote. Symphing12 (talk) 22:05, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you, Even myself being a Sanskrit scholar I have big problems reading Brahmi. I can read some Indic scripts, not all, of course, but as for me and for most people out of India IAST is enough I guess. Therefore it the consensus REALLY works (I have received several more answers at my own talk page confirming that), I do not want to abolish it. I only doubt if IPA, the way it is added, should be added after the heading "Sanskrit:", because it rather reflects an English pronunciation of the words than an original Sanskrit pronunciation. noychoH (talk) 22:40, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
- I got the IPA not from my English pronunciation but from this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Sanskrit
- I could put IPA there instead of Sanskrit. The title of that page is already in IAST. Symphing12 (talk) 23:05, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
- I am sorry, but maybe it was not necessarily you in person - I have seen im many Sanskrit-related pages the pronunciation given in different ways, most obvious related to the pronunciation of the letter अ, IAST 'a' in more that one way (even within the same word). Maybe if it was marked IPA with the link beneath to the page as shown now by you, this could become a good practice. noychoH (talk) 07:18, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
- It is funny that in the aspect of Sanskrit pronunciation and IPA related to it, Wikipedia is referring to the document that was drafted by Ulrich Stielh with me. Until today I didn't even know that Ulrich has posted it under my name as the first one.noychoH (talk) 07:33, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you, Even myself being a Sanskrit scholar I have big problems reading Brahmi. I can read some Indic scripts, not all, of course, but as for me and for most people out of India IAST is enough I guess. Therefore it the consensus REALLY works (I have received several more answers at my own talk page confirming that), I do not want to abolish it. I only doubt if IPA, the way it is added, should be added after the heading "Sanskrit:", because it rather reflects an English pronunciation of the words than an original Sanskrit pronunciation. noychoH (talk) 22:40, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
- I have not had time to fully study the talk you have mentioned, neither the other talk about lead, I am not sure if I am convinced, yet I will take some time before I will offer something. Yet I would like to attact your attention to the activity of the User:Javierfv1212 Replacing Devanagari with Brahmi in the lead of the articles on Buddhist Mahayana texts. See e.g. Vairocanābhisaṃbodhi Sūtra. I think this issue should be discussed anew (the old consensus, 8 years ago, was udertaken with a talk among 14 people only, and if I underestand well some comments - all or most of them were only from India, which was undelined as a weak point of that consensus). At least the practice of the User:Javierfv1212 should be remarked by those who participated the discussion for that consensus. I have sent a message to all of them. If we start the discussion anew, I would join join it with interest. noychoH (talk) 21:13, 25 October 2023 (UTC) (PS.) I didn't know how to edit the discussion - because the link you have sent was a mobile link, and I do not use mobile, and in my computer it looked strange, and I couldn't change anything unless I have understood hwat .m. is). noychoH (talk) 22:01, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
- I guess if you were to include it elsewhere, and it makes sense to do so, that would not be against it? It's confusing but I'd like to follow it if they have a consensus. Symphing12 (talk) 18:30, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you, I shall read it. At a first glance this consensus concerns only infoboxes, not leads, which seems to me to be clearly called attention to in one of the last paragraphs of the discussion. But I shall study it in details, haven't had much time for that by now. What more - this consensus seems to me not too widely accepted, not implemented (in effect: void) if your consider how many articles contains Indic scripts in leads (I have not studied inforboxes, this isse is completely out of my interest). Anyhow, even if someone accepts this to remove the Indic scripts from the leads, then it does not contradict re-entering the same IS into the text of the article, or does it? noychoH (talk) 18:21, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- Where is this consensus? Never heard of. Could your show me the link? noychoH (talk) 16:21, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
- HEREBY I withdraw my proposal about reopening the discussion on the ISC as presented in my message and I apologize to everybody who might have felt harassed or whatever wrong by my message. noychoH (talk) 07:20, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
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