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Help! Nikki Phoenix article was Vandalized, and now nominated again for deletion
Hi There, I'm reaching out to you because the article which you already posted as meeting notability which you were kind enough to site on the article's talk page:
Hi, I'm Devopam. Art javier, thanks for creating Nikki Phoenix!
I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Article has potential and passess WP:PORNBIO. Need recommended improvements in order to make it a good read.
The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. Devopam (talk) 13:31, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
I was hoping you would please also comment on the deletion page so that we are very clear about the repeated deletions by this editor and now his attempt to delete a page that has already been cited as having met Notability.
Thank you so much in advance for your support and for having helped with the article as well :)
Hi there! Thank you so much for your vote of support, I'm sorry the article has been gutted by the same person who then nominated it for deletion. If you have anyone else that you suggest I reach out to in an effort to make them aware of whats going on and to ask them for support please let me know, and if there is anything you ever need my support for you have it just reach out anytime. Best, Art javier (talk) 15:22, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
hello @Art javier:, I suggest you please don't get emotional and be against the person particular. And Wikipedia isn't supposed to be a lobbying/political forum where we should need to support each other or gang up against anyone. Unfortunately , I have felt the heat too and then the best thing is to let go. My suggestion will be to seek help/opinion from DGG (talk·contribs) who can and will guide you to rectify the article if needed and take corrective action to protect the article if needed. Devopam (talk) 17:10, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hi There! Thanks for all the feed back, I will start removing stuff that I think may be unverifiable or too wordy, but can you give me some input on things to remove? That way I will be headed in the right direction :) I'd also love for you to remove some stuff if you like as well. Thanks! Please check out my edits as I have started cutting down the article dramatically. I would like to remove the header you placed but want to wait til I get your thumbs up on my edits :) Art_javier —Preceding undated comment added 16:12, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Art javier:, Appreciate the cleanup. Can you focus on "Phoenix has said in interviews..." and similar opinions of the subject as that is not admissible per Wiki standards (WP:NOT). This can actually put up the article for a deletion nomination in the extreme case. Currently, the article is spread out as a professional resume and not about the person. A verifiable insight into "Personal Life" or similar titled section with pertinent details shall make it a good read. Avoid highlighting "nominations" for awards, and rather focus on the 'won' awards. Hope this helpsDevopam (talk) 04:36, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good, I thought that the 4 links to articles that sited this made it relevant should I just delete the whole sentence? This is exactly the kind of advice I needed. Thanks again! I tried moving these things into another catagory labeled "Personal Life" can you please give me some feedback if you like this better?Art_javier04:38, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Art javier:, I am bit disappointed , you reintroduced the deleted/purged stuff back , in personal life section, without paying heed to what I suggested above. Please go through the above once again and see what you can do further for improvement. Devopam (talk) 05:20, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Gah! Sorry its been a few years since I have been on Wiki. I must have been doing that move while you were editing too let me try and revert to your version :( sorry! I removed the whole section you suggested "Personal Life" any other suggestions I didn't realize you were editing at the same time as me. Sorry about that!Art_javier05:29, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Please take a look at what I am cutting out and let me know if there's anything else you think I should dump. and I will stay off for a bit so you can do the same and I am not accidentally editing at the same time.Art_javier05:51, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hi There, I need your help, this page is being vandalized and editwarred. I have no interest in becoming involved in this with this editor Wolfowitz. I have already left a polite message on his page, and now this page, which you have already documented as passing notability is being tagged as being subject to deletion.
Can you please help. This is exactly why I gave up on Wikipedia a few years ago.
Hello,
He has enough matches played for CSM Politehnica Iasi in Liga I, which is a professional championship, so the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia. Rhinen
Declined speedy deletion nomination of Petter Augustsson
Hello Devopam. Speedy deletion work is important and I do appreciate the effort. I would just ask that you please review the criteria carefully because accuracy is also important. On that issue, I have declined your speedy deletion nomination of Petter Augustsson as an article that does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the topic under CSD A7. That criterion did not apply because playing for a notable team is a credible indication of "importance or significance". Remember that CSD A7 is a lower standard than what is required to demonstratenotability – it does not, for example, require that the article's text already contain citations to reliable sources that would be necessary to prove notability, but only that it contain a claim that, were it true, might reasonably make the subject a valid encyclopaedia topic (if proper sourcing could later be found). Adam9007 (talk) 22:44, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Draft: Yana Zhdanova
Hello Devopam. I thank you for reviewing Draft: Yana Zhdanova and for your comments. You propose to me to avoid over dependence on Femen, and you stress on the fact that the Draft's tone is not neutral. The characteristic of a Femen member is that she protests in a collective way, and therefore it is impossible not to mention the Femen group and its principles; which I do ONLY in the beginning of the Draft. Yana Zhdanova is the only member of the Ukrainian nucleus of the organization (Oksana Shachko, Alexandra Shevchenko, Anna Hutsol, Yana Zhdanova, Inna Shevchenko) who has not a Wikipedia article, although her activism is longer, with more solo protests than the others! The reviewer User: Fuhghettaboutit kindly and patiently rephrased for me the lede sentence of the Draft, the Early life chapter, and half of the Activism chapter to show me how to edit. I continued for the rest of the Draft by deleting some of Zhdanova's protests to make the article shorter (see in the Revision history on 21 December), and by using twice in the text the expression "controversial topless protests". I am really for a neutral tone, and this is why there are no expressions that are flattering, disparaging, vague, clichés or endorsing of a particular point of view. When a Femen's statement is quoted, I use "said, stated, called, declared, according to", as indicated in WP:WEASEL. The sources are independent and reliable such as The BBC, The New York Times, The Guardian, Time Magazine, Le Monde, New York Magazine, Newsweek, Le Nouvel Observateur, The Huffington Post, The Telegraph, Libération. Therefore, I would be grateful to you if you could tell me precisely the words, expressions and sentences which are not neutral in this Draft. I will sincerely appreciate it!
Thanks again. FRANC85 (talk) 11:27, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
hi @FRANC85: , I appreciate the fact that you took the review in a constructive manner. Let me try to edit the draft as an editor and shall leave it to someone else for the AfC review. Devopam (talk) 14:38, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@FRANC85:, I did some cleanup in the top sections and stopped mid way in the Draft: Yana Zhdanova#Activism section. I suggest you remove all claims that can't be supported by clear references. This article is not about Femen, but her. So unless she is explicitly mentioned in a news article on her participation , there is no reason why that should be present in a wiki article. I pointed out earlier also, the article deviates from her as the focus point to a lot other topics that aren't relevant in 'her' context. Please do the necessary clean up. Also, try to fix the referencing style , in conformance with WP:CS. Devopam (talk) 07:06, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Devopam, I thank you for your contribution that I appreciate. I removed the sources that do not mention Zhdanova, although they were about her protests, and I fixed all the references according to WP:CS. I hope that the next reviewer will accept this draft! Thanks again for your help! FRANC85 —Preceding undated comment added 23:13, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
hello @FRANC85: , I am afraid the draft in current shape will not do per my understanding of Wiki norms. It still needs a lot of work. But I will not deter you from resubmitting . Wishing you all the best ! Devopam (talk) 06:08, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Devopam, I followed your instructions, as far as the neutral tone and the references are concerned. What is the difference between the part of the Draft fixed by you and the rest of it? Is it too much if I ask you what do you mean when you write that it still needs a lot of work? I thank you again! FRANC85 (talk) 09:34, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Happy new year @FRANC85: , You will need to completely remove non-contextual and non-verifiable sentences, claims that are still aplenty in the article. See WP:NPOV, WP:BIO, WP:SECONDARY in detail and understand the theme. I have provided sufficient examples and pointers to work on this already so skipping it this time. Devopam (talk) 08:26, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I am no longer active on Wikipedia after one of the articles I created was deleted in a manner I found unacceptable (here). I don't like edit wars/arbcoms, but I don't take to getting bogged down by heavyweights either just because someone thinks they can. I like the work done here and often visit articles for enriching my knowledge but that is the extent it is going to be. I sometimes fix minor breaks in articles that I feel are neutral in nature and won't offend any admin when content based errors are fixed. I feel good for the time spent here working on articles
Best regards
Devopam (talk) 12:57, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
January 2014
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Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Anupmehra was:
Thanks for the review comments and suggested further reading
hi Anup , much thanks for the additional reading information that helped me to understand the mistakes. I am currently in process of making amends and then shall get in touch with the Wikipedia:Teahouse team before trying to resubmit.
Devopam (talk) 13:52, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello! Devopam,
I noticed your article was declined at Articles for Creation, and that can be disappointing. If you are wondering or curious about why your article submission was declined please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Anupmehra -Let's talk!13:39, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Devopam, you've created a nice user page. I hope you will keep contributing to Wikipedia articles as well. If you have any questions regarding editing feel free to ask on my talk page or Teahouse forum. Cheers!
Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DGG was:
This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Exilant Technologies and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
Hi Devopam, I'm sorry if I took long to reply to your e-mail. Most articles at AFC get declined due to promotional content in those article. You have to be extra careful when praising a company. For example if your article contains words like this you should take extra steps to verify the content by providing reliable sources. And I noticed that your article has so many links that leads to company's website. Due to this most Wikipedia editors might assume that you are trying to promote company's website. Do not add too many external links to the website of article's subject (WP:ELNO). And you have added no. of products in the list form. Wikipedia does not accept indiscriminate information. By NPOV Wikipedia editors mean you should speak both positive and negative aspects of the subject. If you are part of the company article's about, see conflicts of interest for more information.
Thanks for leaving your comments on this. Please use Keep or Delete on the discussion page to leave your feedback (the way, others are doing). Without this, your comments would not be counted. Thanks. Educationtemple (talk) 10:34, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Oo7565 was:
This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Exilant Technologies and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
For good and valid reasons I understood that I don't belong to this place as far as contribution is concerned. Hence decided to permanently refrain from this platform. Should you like to interact with me , please feel free to email.
Devopam (talk) 07:59, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Changed my mind thanks to some good editors who gave me the right perspective about the why,how and what part as far as editing is concerned.--Devopam (talk) 04:03, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Its notability rests on its size and finances. You only mention the number of employees in the infobox, and there is nothing on profits or turnover. Your lead is all about what it sells, which looks spammy, rather than why it is notable
Having an awards and recognition section, but no criticism section looks promotional
Write in proper sentences, it's better style, and lists, particularly of products, services and awards look like sales stuff. Sentences also help you concentrate on what is significant, rather than a kitchen sink approach
Avoid very short sections, like "Partners" and "Patents". Section headings should only have the first word capitalised.
If any of the images have been published elsewhere under a non-free licence, they are liable to be deleted. You don't need the company name in the captions, it's assumed.
Thanks for the guidance. I have tried to update the article on the lines mentioned by you. Will be grateful if you can have a look whenever feasible at your end. Shall look forward to your advise further. Devopam (talk) 13:17, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've made a couple of tweaks, rm social media per policy and a couple of redundant cats. It's better, but some further comments
the comment about the blaccklist needs to go in a footnote, not main text
the financial and employment stuff needs to be mentioned in a new section in the text otherwise it's still "what we sell", rather than "what we are"
I can't see why criticism needs to be a two-item list instead of two sentences
As I said before, "Awards", especially as a list, looks spammy and will attract an admin's eye. I'd be inclined to lose the heading and incorporate the awards into history or elsewhere
Be careful with "offer", it's sales talk for "sell"
Your first para looks heavily over-capitalised to me
You need to read your text from the point of view of an editor who is looking for indications of promotion. Remember that articles can be listed for deletion discussions as well as speedy deletion, so avoid any hostages to fortune Jimfbleak - talk to me?06:06, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've made this edit, mainly MoS (capitalisation, refs after punctuation and the like. Please check. The finances indicate notability, so at some stage you need to move it back to mainspace and see what happens (articles about companies attract close scrutiny for obvious reasons) Jimfbleak - talk to me?14:44, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
hi Jim, thank you for the edit. I will make an attempt to submit this article in current shape and check the response. Shall keep you posted. Can't thank enough for the guidance. Devopam (talk) 14:47, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Saptasajya
Hi, Good work on Saptasajya. Is there any reason why it's at Saptasajya Village rather than Saptasajya? Note that eOdisha, orissa-tourism, etc. are not really considered reliable sources and should be avoided if possible. There appear to be a number of hits on Google Books which might be a more reliable source of information. Please also take care to not turn this encyclopaedic article into a tourist brochure. That's what sites like Wikivoyage are for. Cheers. --Cpt.a.haddock (talk) 15:01, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your kind feedback. The reason for move is with reviewer who moved it to _Village while approving the article. I had initially proposed Saptasajya only, as you can check in the logs. I will replace the references with good ones as suggested by you in due course. Definitely this is not a tourism article , and I won't let it steer that way either. There is very less information available about this notable place, and I intend to collect the relevant pieces and stitch them on an incremental basis.Devopam (talk) 15:05, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Looks better :) The photos are good too (even if I can't actually see the village in the infobox image:). You should also categorise the images and the Saptasajya category itself on Commons.--Cpt.a.haddock (talk) 15:34, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Exilant
I'm not really interested in an IT company's article. But FWIW, if I did see the article in its present form, I would tag it as Advertising, Overly Detailed, etc. Note that if these guys are your employers, be sure to read up on WP:COI. Good luck. --Cpt.a.haddock (talk)
P.S. You can simply message me on my talk page instead of sending me e-mails. The e-mail option is only required for stuff that should not be displayed publicly such as passwords, secret plans for world domination, etc. Also, when replying on your talk page, remember to use the {{Reply|Cpt.a.haddock}} prefix to alert the other party :)--Cpt.a.haddock (talk) 16:11, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Learning the ways.. will take some time to understand the messaging protocols :) I though email was an internal wiki feature as in other Apache projects that I use :(. And thanks for the inputs on how to alert the other 'party' about a post on a talk page using 'mention'. @Cpt.a.haddock: .Best regards. Devopam (talk) 04:23, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Thanks for pointing out the COI problem. I tried to be as open as possible hence the discussion. You said to add the content to someone else's sandbox to get it edited/reviewed? I thought it was only possible to add content to your own sandbox? Sorry about all the questions :) Rickned (talk) 03:26, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
hi @Rickned: , WP:COI states that anyone having significant interest in any area should not be contributing to the article without explicitly stating it as well as taking care of WP:NPOV and WP:ADVOCACY. Even with a good intent you will find it difficult to negate the aspects stated there. Instead you may seek help from other editors who can create the article with aid from you in terms of content collection and then submit it for you. If you submit it on your own, then you have to state it on the article talk page and/or your user page (I don't remember where this was stated exactly , else would have pasted the link). You may simply take help from any other editor in terms of creating and submitting the article wherein that individual has to ensure the aspects mandated in advocacy are complied. And , yes, you may very well edit anyone's sandbox / custom page unless it is restricted by the author explicitly. That is the power of collective editing in Wikipedia. Hope this explanation helps. Devopam (talk) 04:46, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
you may simply try to edit User:Devopam/sandbox or CorporateM's sandbox as mentioned by him.
All clear thanks @Devopam:. Would you be interested in writing the article? I can help you with the content collection, but as you mentioned in the end it's up to you how to write it :)
I am game @Rickned:. Please feel free to email the sourcing material with which I can start upfront. Rest details I will try to extract from open internet. Shall put up a page and let you know to have a look once it comes to a shape. Devopam (talk) 05:32, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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@Rickned: Not sure if I could at all use the sources you shared, but have created the draft and submitted with the public info gathered from across the web. Devopam (talk) 05:17, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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@Hpsatapathy: , I have updated the template with your inputs. Please check once when you get time if all the temples are covered properly and are categorized. Thanks for your help yet again. Devopam (talk) 15:21, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am just a regular editor and nothing official like an administrator or Wikimedia contractor...I am an editor probably a lot like yourself. One important thing for me is to express thanks to other editors in a personal message to their talk page. This is not a template. I am just leaving this note for you to express my appreciation for your recent participation in voting for Arbatration Committee Members. Your vote is a great thing and with as many people participating as possible there is an excellent chance that we will have good representation on this committee. The Very Best of Regards,
I created this article because IMHO it was an interesting piece of history relating to software patents as well as mobile software. The article has clearly lived a troubled life, so I have restored the real content here: User:Egil/Zi_Corporation As such, I think a speedy deletion should not have been done, do you agree? -- Egil (talk) 12:41, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I guess I would beg to differ on the notability, because the lawsuits with Tegic was quite noteworthy as a software patent case, and I'm pretty sure the page would not been speedily deleted if that content was visible. A proposal: What if I take some of the content from the article and make a chapter in the Nuance_Communications article, and Zi Corporation becomes a link to that chapter. Besides, deleting Zi Corporation has now created a few red-links in other articles. - Egil (talk) 13:11, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by SwisterTwister was:
This submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage about the subject in reliable sources that are independent of the subject—see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.
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Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by SwisterTwister was:
This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage about the subject in reliable sources that are independent of the subject—see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
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Hi Devopam,
Ong Seok Kim is a leading Malaysian Chinese figure and a lot of stuff about him are documented in the Malaysian and Singapore Chinese media and school magazines. As an example, there are over 400 news items of him in just one Chinese press alone (Nanyang Siang Pau) between 1923 and 1964 as documented in an e-book, Ong Seok Kim - News in Media, 1923-1964, which was published in 2015 (see ongseokkim.com). Also recently (late 2014 and early 2015), 6 Chinese press in Malaysia published detailed feature articles of Ong Seok Kim to coincide with the publication (in late 2014) of a Chinese Biography of him (see ongseokkim.com "Media Reports"). Having regard to this, the vast differences in the documentation of Ong Seok Kim in English and Chinese language, how do I adequately referenced his achievements and contributions to the Malaysian and Chinese societies in this English Wikipedia article? Is it acceptable that the sources/references be in Chinese? I appreciate your advice before going forward to address your concern. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.209.196 (talk) 11:48, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Notability is not a concern here. The references have to be in English language only unless the primary language itself is changed for the article. Same reference is cited more than once. This needs to be cleaned up. Language in few sections needs to be toned down per WP:PEACOCK but overall okay. A little work and it should sail through as a fine article. Devopam (talk) 13:39, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
12:59:02, 19 January 2016 review of submission by DrSchlagger
Why the fascination with books?Books are not a valid guide to notability in Cyber Security. Cyber Security changes on a daily to weekly scale. Most people in the field understand that by the time a book is written edited and published it is useless in this field. As such there are very few useful or even meaningful books about this topic. Of the maryid of books that are published purporting to be about cyber security and pen testing, most are churned out by contract authors with very little real experience in the field. These "dead-tree, door stops" generally cover techniques that were obsolete before the author heard of them. In cyber security most new developments are published online and discussed at conferences. Things mentions in books about cyber security are likely to be so out of date as to be irrelevant and thus NOT NOTABLE.
The most notable people and entities in this field, present at conferences and actually solve problems rather than writing books about it. It also means that they rarely make it into mainstream new even if they are working on multi-million dollar projects that directly affect the fates of fortune 50 business and nations. A company nominated internationally as one of the most innovative and as at 455 of the global top 500 http://www.crn.com.au/News/401442,cybersecurity-500.aspx entity is "not notable" guidelines that specifically state inclusion in such a list if itself is notable is notable. This entity and the people involved in it are key not speakers at conferences all over the country a fact established in the more that 50 references. CDL is certainly more notable than Paragon Innovations which does have a stand alone wikipedia article. I have been running into these guys for years all over the country at events. It never occurred to me that there was not a listing about them. It seems that every independent film maker who shows something a a film festival is "notable". Should I reduce the number of reverence and exclude primary sources so reviewers have time to follow only the most "notable" references?
hello @DrSchlagger:, please refer to WP:CORP and WP:NN , and provide the necessary references in your next submission. Do keep in mind that the article is about the company/establishment and not Cyber Security. Do a spell/grammar check and retain only relevant references. Also, notability is to be understood as per Wikipedia norms and put forth accordingly. Devopam (talk) 05:33, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedian norms slavishly followed would turn this place into a dumping ground for hollywood gossip as that is what gets the most notice on mainstream news sites. Any topic that gets properly sourced and mainstream notice is notable. Some areas of endevor are more likely to be talked about in the mainstream than others. A pop-devia, caught shoplifting will be covered universally for weeks, a scientist working to cure cancer gets one note on page 48. Which should get a wikipedia article? This is the entire reason Larry added the : "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it. IAR." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules .
If you don't know which "Larry" I mean, look back to the beginnings of wikipedia and try not to be the deletions he warned about. DrSchlagger (talk) 22:48, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ong Seok Kim
Hi Devopam, Thanks for your encouragement. I was a bit unsettled yesterday when I read your reason of refusal of the article as I feel that Wikipedia reviewers are inconsistent in that Onel5969 hasn't raised the issue of "reliable sources" after sighting the article a few occasions before the resubmission. Onel5969 also raised the issue of Peacock terms and I combed through the article twice and thought I have picked up all these terms and Onel5969 thought so as well as he sighted the article after I addressed the issue. I doubt there will be more than a very small handful of peacock terms left. It would be helpful if you could advise me where the remain peacock terms are so that I can zero in and address them rather than 2nd guessing what you have found. Thank you for your guidance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.209.196 (talk) 20:30, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Request on 05:33:50, 20 January 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by Devopam
hello-i hope this note finds you well. i am extremely confused as to why this submission continues to be rejected. this article was absolutely written from a neutral point of view and independent and published sources were provided repeatedly. i listed multiple references and even researched other architecture firms on wikipedia to see what they were able to include and followed their lead. many of them have independent quotes about their work included as well as a description of their work and firm. all projects and awards listed are significant and have articles to back that up. please let me know specifically what the problem is and i am happy to make the changes. many thanks! Devopam (talk) 05:33, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please refer to WP:COMPANIES , see other company articles for reference , including format , tone and facts presented. Also see WP:CS for reference style. This will help you to remodel the article. Kindly don't submit without making suggested changes. Devopam (talk) 05:56, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ong Seok Kim
Hi Devopam, I have addressed your concern regarding "reliable sources" and "citations". I have cleaned you the citations and references so that they are in accord with Wikipedia guidelines. On top of that, I have added a dozen or so more citations to strengthen the sources. I am going through the text again to pick up any "peacock" terms still remaining but I appreciate your help to point out where they are so that I won't be 2nd guessing your concern. Thank you for your guidance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.209.196 (talk) 01:34, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
1. Request you to read on how to use citations in articles (including inline citations). See other articles for reference. Esp when you use one reference more than once please try using ref name=" " notation to avoid multiple entries. Kindly don't confuse between Notes and References. About the reference quality - please see [1] (#3) . This is in non-English language. Also, when I translated it to English using Google Chrome , I could not find a single relevant mention. This might be detrimental to your claims. It is a good article, try to improve it to bring it to Wikipedia standards. Cheers ! Devopam (talk) 05:52, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Draft:Dr. Anthony Kenechukwu Offu-Article Live Biography!
My Dear Devopam,
I love your nsme, i do not know what gender you are? Male or Female-wiki-volunteer editor.
Well back to business, devopam.
I will wish you're mu messiah ie if you are a christian. We all pray for one One GOD,to come to our rescue especially in this rigorous circumstances in our lives.
My theme of replying this your comments: are basically, to remind you that i have no spelling errors in the most recent "Article Live Biography", submitted in the January 19th, 2016.
Prior to submitting this article i proof-read the article with another professional in the book publishing editing industry & as well my classmate professor of social science; insisting that my prior no less than 8 articles flagged, is beginning to raise dust in our community of scholar professionals; articles submitted which were flagged were inconsequential given that some other article contributors who makes simple mistakes & still the articles end up accepted for publication.
You have seen my educational/academic merit qualifications & the scholarly works done in the global community of intellectuals were praised & applauded for the past three decades as an educator, CEO/ President of Corps.
Please, my editor,Devopam, assist me in this endavour to correcting what ever mistakes , you identified as the article anomalies submitted in the 01/19/2016; which was flagged for simple commonly miskaes & reasons.
I commented on the Article volunteer of the wiki editors-"sulfurboy" & wiki-editor "jaarons95" how they usually helped some people, such as article contributors qualify for Draft: article acceptance for publication.
I therefore need your utmost help with humility, apprehension & trepidation to imploring you to assisting in this case of mine.
Trusting this information will be of assistance to you!
dear Dr Offu, Please refer to WP:SOAP before attempting at a self biography. Avoid WP:PEACOCK terms which are currently aplenty. Avoid using WP:PRIMARY at all if possible. Repeat, do a grammar check before next re-submit. Please understand that Wikipedia articles follow different norms than a regular press article and we need to respect that. Devopam (talk) 05:52, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
09:14:47, 20 January 2016 review of submission by Oliver1706
I'd appreciate any advice you could give to help improve the page, and make it worthy of Wikipedia. Thanks very much, sorry if this is the wrong place, I'm not too familar with wikipedia.
Thanks Devopam. I've made some changes and extended the article, added more info. I don't think the article will be too much longer, but I plan to add three images. One as the logo of the project, a map and a screenshot of work done (they wouldn't be too large and intrusive). Would that bring it up to standard in your opinion? Oliver1706 (talk) 12:00, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please let me know Oliver1706 once you have uploaded the images. Make sure that the images have proper license terms. That should suffice. We will work on the resubmission from there after. Devopam (talk) 15:06, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Request on 16:21:43, 21 January 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by 84.1.221.238
Márta Gulyás is a renowned living pianist, has performed in most world capitals, has received numerous awards including a recent public recognition by the Spanish queen, is a highly esteemed university professor in Budapest and Madrid and at international masterclasses worldwide, has helped numerous musicians build successful careers, has performed on over fifteen CDs and several radio stations, and is juror on international competitions. WHAT ELSE DOES IT TAKE for her to be considered noteworthy by Wikipedia?
Thank you very much for kindly helping me with this article!
Sincerely,
Gerhard Jütte
hello Gerhard. Please read the rejection note properly. The article is not in a presentable state. Kindly seek help on how to add references properly WP:CS . Notability will come into consideration once the article is in a presentable form. Thanks ! Devopam (talk) 06:48, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
20:07:28, 21 January 2016 review of submission by 209.133.94.158
Hi Devopam, thanks for reviewing my article. I made some changes, but I would appreciate any advice on parts that specifically prevent this from being approved. I'm using other living artists who are listed on wikipedia as a guide (listed below). Is there information I should cut out?
Thanks a lot for working on my very first Wikipedia article Draft:Stefan Günther Tweraser. I saw the note and the comment made last. I'm a bit unsure if you wanted me to edit out the German sources now, or if you wanted me to wait? I am happy to (try) and follow directions. Everyone has been helpful, and boy do I need it. Thank you again.
hello Philbutler , yes, please replace the non-english references and resubmit. Let me know once you have done so. If this is your first article, then I must say you have done a very good job so far. Devopam (talk) 04:28, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Of course Devopam, I am on this right now. Thank you again for helping me, the task gets less daunting as Wikipedians continue to be kind and help "newbies".
Hello Devopam - I think I got it (fingers crossed) - thank you for your kind words also. This is turning out to be a fascinating experience. I always wanted to contribute, but was hesitant to dive in.
Awww Cool! You are so kind Devopam - I will find more and fill this is as you suggest. Of course, I will so enjoy contributing to the world's storehouse of knowledge. There are so many wonderful things to discover. Thanks very much for your help, and to those other Wikipedians who helped me. Learning was never so much fun (and daunting too).
Question
What do you mean, by saying<< Comment: Please add one reference article>>?
Why shall this article not worthy of being part of the encyclopedia ? This club is the house of a very rare collection of early maritime photographs and historical documents. It is believed its holds the only available samples of marine daguerreotypes in the world ! This is the second largest classic wooden yacht fleet in the Caribbean....This club also takes roots to 1899.... is all this not worthy to make it an institution to be included in Wikipedia ? I appreciate you might not be interested in yachting but for those who do have an interest on this topic, this appears to be relevant.
I would be most grateful if you could let me know what sort of information I shall add to make it even more interesting. I look very much forward to reading from you.
Thanks
Terry
WIYC , while I understand your frustration, request you to mind the tone going forward WP:PREJUDICED. See comments, the submission is not in proper article format. The 'Sources' section needs to remodeled (skipping details). Go through WP:YFA to understand the basic issues first before repeatedly submitting the article without conforming to laid standards. Devopam (talk) 19:06, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your feedback. I do apologise if you felt offended by the tune as I was not meaning to. Would you be able to assist me by giving me concrete advices to successfully make this page published ? Thanks
There you go again. I gave the specifics in previous comment itself. Unfortunately you didn't bother to go through them. See WP:CS and WP:REFB specifically to understand the issues better. Best ! Devopam (talk) 13:40, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
20:57:15, 23 January 2016 review of submission by Hosgeorges
Here, the page 1st Saturn Awards doesn't have any reference link.This page has only external links .So why don't you approve this draft (2nd Saturn Awards) in order to be appeared in Wikipedia?
It is not advised to set and continue with wrong precedence. I have tagged that article for missing references. You are encouraged to improve upon the mistakes of previous similar articles in your new article. Devopam (talk) 16:02, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Only for this article.Not another one.If I added at least two references (article) will you appear my draft in Wikipedia?
DRAFT: Dr. Anthony Kenechukwu Offu-Article Live Biography!
My Dear Devopam,
How are you today? I do not know if you acknowledged my recent same article indicated in the subject referenced. It was posted in your talk page, precisely on the January 20th, 2016.
I highighted & modified the areas you wanted me done,primarily the spelling errors (TYPO's) with a great deal of humility, deep apprehension & trepidation.
Other volunteer wiki editor,such as "wiki-sulfurboy", upon providing editing in the same subject article via in the month of july 21st, & 23rd, 2015 notably indicated few comments in both draft submission, citings, with comments of the "article lacking "citations/footnotes" which were immediately corrected to avoid another or more rejections/flaggings.
As per the article "neutrality assuming good faith" & avoid personal attacks & conflict of interest were observed & modified in the article wiki's 100 percent compliance standard expectations; the writings were well observed & fixed respectively; the comments on "references" not in accordance with standard wikipedia.org/encyclopedia, admissibility for acceptance due to the issues of "TYPO's", with good proof-reading was appropriately observed too, during my reviews & modifications & meticulous intervention, which was made to abrogate, & correct other anomalies identidied as comments by all of the wiki's-editorial four (4) volunteers comments was adequately fixed.
I'm pleased to have you & other volunteer wiki-editors, who are well experienced in this article editorials; as i'm still learning the wiki other ares of "book publishing". Albeit this is out of our frame of reference discusion/talk page.
I've also fixed at the upper-right hand side of the article template spellings in the "Aurthor" to correction as Author; another pertinent TYPO issues, i personally identified was my "MIDDLE name "KENECHUKWU" used as my SPOUSE name, purportedly; "IFEOMA" her correct spelled name.
I was never the one who created the template, for i would have known better to originally correct it, upon the initial submission of the draft.
Thank you & looking forward for your feedback at your desired convenience time.
I could not understand the motive behind creating another draft page when one is under review. More so, when it has been blanked out already. I have marked it for deletion as per norms. For the other draft, I see that it was resubmitted without making a single change.
While I don't discourage you to write a self-biography on Wikipedia, you should spend some time to learn the process, the essence of an article including bio, and see messages that have been left over time by multiple editors. You pay heed to it and it should sail through. May I encourage you to create a wikipedia named account for yourself as a first step ? Devopam (talk) 05:34, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Gill Fielding Article
Dear Devopam
Thank you for your comments to my proposed article for Gill Fielding. You have told me that you feel it reads like an advertisement but I don't understand how you can come to that conclusion.
Please could you point out an example or two? This article has been completely rewritten to ensure it has a neutral tone and every fact is backed up by the associated reference. Your clarification would be appreciated.
Neilho (talk) 10:55, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
hi Neilho , please refer to WP:PEACOCK and see for yourself. Unfortunately you didn't pay heed to so many advises by multiple editors. Article is currently under WP:MFD. Shall suggest that you work on it in your own userspace, take help from experienced editors and resubmit at a later moment. Best! Devopam (talk) 12:27, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In other words you have no examples and are just pulling policies out of the air! I actually did pay heed to every advisor as you would see if you compared revisions and noted the real changes that have happened in the long gap between my previous two edits. I challenge you to point out one example to back up WP:PEACOCK and prove you are not just jumping on a bandwagon here.
hi Neilho, you may complain against my decision to not accept your draft anytime should you feel I did something that is not as per laid guidelines. Hope you are mature to understand that I don't have any reason to isolate you. Let us not get into sharp overtones while exchanging notes. As per your ask, please find my understanding here : "self-made multi-millionaire" , "has written extensively on matters of" are WP:PEACOCK terms esp when not supported with verifiable sources. regards. Devopam (talk) 04:53, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Devopam . Thank you for your clarification. This process has been very wearing for me so I apologise if I came across as being sharp. In response to your examples (thank you for providing them), I would like to say that being a self-made (as opposed to an inherited) multi-millionaire is a statement of fact, and one of the reasons she is notable (e.g. Sir Alan Sugar is a self-made millionaire whereas Donald Trump inherited his fortune). I have taken this description straight from the independent EBA reference (No.7) which says of the subject: "...she is now a self-made multi millionaire who enjoys the fruits of financial success..." To write 'extensively' is just an adjective I used to clarify that the subject has written multiple, non-trivial articles (not just one or two) and I have followed this with six examples as my evidence for the use of this word. I hardly think this adds up to the article coming across as an advertisement. Once again, I am sorry to be a bit sensitive. This is largely because I have been accused by others of being paid to write the article (not true) and of having not made substantial edits to try and stick to neutrality. This has culminated in a deletion debate. I have resigned myself to losing the debate but I do feel this has become more about me and my neglect to declare a COI rather than the article and its subject. Hopefully we'll speak again on a happier future occasion. Have a great day.
I don't know much about wikipedia editing I also have seen simple pages that exist for just simple info on wikipedia of famous person. I also want o add that CEO of Radio. You can edit it as you like and publish it. I have mentioned all references also. Thanks
Request for Appearence in Wikipedia and Complaint
Look!I did the best I could for the draft article Draft:5th Saturn Awards.So why don't you appreciate my work for this draft article?Why?I searched Internet and I didn't find many sources about the 5th Saturn Awards. The only sources that I found (about the 5th Saturn Awards) where the ones that I put on this draft article.Why don't you search Internet and add any sources? I think I didn't omit anything. If you find any sources on the Internet that I didn't find, then say it to me. OK?
In case you don't know, I have alrady added sources in the drafts articles Draft:2nd Saturn Awards, Draft:3rd Saturn AwardsDraft:4th Saturn Awards and Draft:5th Saturn Awards.In Saturn Awards of 1977 nothing important happened, so that is why I haven't added anything.Now, about the 2nd,3rd and 5th Saturn Awards.Whatever source I could find I did find. So why don't you believe me?
Regarding Draft:Jurgen Brauer.
Thank you for taking the time to comment.
I am completely new to writing for Wikipedia; in fact, this is my first try.
Your suggestions:
1. You can move Books and Research Papers (entire list) into a 'List' and refer here in this article.
My question: A previous editor (LaMona) set up the Research papers segment. For the books section, LaMona only wanted me to add the ISBNs, which I did in wiki style. I am also unclear what a "List" is, and why it would be better to use in this case. Can you explain to me please why you feel a "List" is preferred?
2. Provide a central theme around the books and research papers instead of simply listing entries.
My question: I already have that in the "Research and writings" section. Should this section then refer to your "List" section suggestion?
3. Work on the references , taking help from WP:CS. Need to avoid WP:PRIMARY as much possible, as already suggested.
My question: I thought I removed everything primary; can you give me a specific example of what is left that is considered primary?
4. Add an Infobox person, and a picture if possible.
My question: I found the wiki Infobox person template and will try that. Question: Just where in the edit page is it placed? At the very top or anywhere and wiki will automatically place it correctly on the 'visible' page?
5. Add publicly available insights into personal life (to differentiate the article from a professional resume , otherwise).
Ok. I can dig some more to find info.
Meanwhile, I did a search on wikipedia itself and found 9 or 10 articles that already refer to Brauer's works. Can that be used in the draft? If so, where? Can you suggest an example?
Thank you for your comments on my draft submission. The header on the page tells me not to edit the page but my understanding of your comment is that you would like to work at it. May I go ahead and work on the article?
Okay well now I'm very confused, because I've never done a Wikipedia article before and so I based mine off of Paul Zerdin's Wikipedia page- and the ONLY source listed on that page is "Paul Zerdin's Biography" which isn't a biography at all, but the biography section of -his own website-. So I'm not sure why this article keeps getting declined. I was told I could not use Drew Lynch's official website as a source, but I've since added sources from various news outlets. Drew Lynch also has more followers on social media than Paul Zerdin which I think speaks to his notability. I appreciated the last review because it gave me very specific feedback about which sources were not viable. I thought I had fixed them but at this point it's beginning to seem arbitrary.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Exilant Technologies until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. DGG ( talk ) 20:43, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
hello 82.38.157.176 , cleaned up the duplicate references. Minor modification to the headings. I see sense in keeping the article in a single page itself, now after revisiting it in current form. Devopam (talk) 06:09, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
, please read through WP:REFB, WP:CS to see the style of referencing. I have edited the draft for one sample (first reference) and shown how it is done. Kindly make the article proper so that review/cleanup doesn't take significant time. Do let me know once you are done with the edits or need any help. Devopam (talk) 16:42, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Devopam,
I must appologize to you, that i had sent you another email updating my draft re-submission of the Article Live Biography!
Please you may perhaps read the most current email, which had addressed the whole emerging issues & comments related to these five comments, indicated on my draft re-submissions which we had been doing since the last draft was re-submitted in the January 25th, 2016.
I will assure you, based on your review & i had learnt a whole lot of wiki edit-article contribution & editng as per wiki compliance. You had thought me the right appropriate wikipedia.org/article edits/contributions. Thank you & i appreciate it very much.
I hereby "ATTACHED" the email here in your "TALK PAGE" or email directly from one of my server-email address to you today.
Thank you & once again looking forward for onwards reply at your earliest possible convenience.
Dr. Anthony Offu.<Dr.Anthony Offu><ref source><Dr. Anthony Offu>
I've received your email and will look at the problems afresh in the next few days; I don't want to say anything specific without a chance to re-examine and to think. . My main current concern here is in removing promotionalism from WP, and in doing this, I have sometimes misevaluated a situation. I will comment in detail on your usertalk page, which is a better place for this sort of discussion. DGG ( talk ) 07:30, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
15:57:43, 2 February 2016 review of submission by 158.169.40.9
Dredging Corporation of India, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created. The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.
You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. Note that because you are a logged-in user, you can create articles yourself, and don't have to post a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer.
If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk.
Hi there, I've submitted the Shop It To Me page several times and I'd love to get it approved. Can you provide any specific details surrounding why the latest submission was not approved? I used what I thought to be notable sources and avoided making it sound advertorial (a reason it was declined in the past). Any specific tips would be very helpful!
Did all the required changes:
1. I have changed some of the references in the text from the reference to result tables to the articles that Lithuania’s press write about the Martynas Jasiunas (how he won and that he won any of the trophies) in order to highlight the notability. The tables of results references are still added to the “Awards” paragraph. Few examples would be Bronze medal in Krakow or victory in Malaysia. Furthermore added additional information concerning Martynas Jasiunas fighters career which is backed by articles of Lithuania’s press (Lithuania’s main newspapers (“Lietuvos zinios”, “Delfi”, “Lietuvos rytas”, “15min”) and by national television of Lithuania – “TV3”. As required removed the links that go to External links. Also new change – content table.
CrocBITE, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created. The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.
You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. Note that because you are a logged-in user, you can create articles yourself, and don't have to post a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer.
If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk.
Hi. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Asia/The 10,000 Challenge has recently started, based on the UK/Ireland Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge and Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The 10,000 Challenge. The idea is not to record every minor edit, but to create a momentum to motivate editors to produce good content improvements and creations and inspire people to work on more countries than they might otherwise work on. There's also the possibility of establishing smaller country or regional challenges for places like South East Asia, Japan/China or India etc, much like Wikipedia:The 1000 Challenge (Nordic). For this to really work we need diversity and exciting content and editors from a broad range of countries regularly contributing. At some stage we hope to run some contests to benefit Asian content, a destubathon perhaps, aimed at reducing the stub count would be a good place to start, based on the current Wikipedia:WikiProject Africa/The Africa Destubathon which has produced near 200 articles in just three days. If you would like to see this happening for Asia, and see potential in this attracting more interest and editors for the country/countries you work on please sign up and being contributing to the challenge! This is a way we can target every country of Asia, and steadily vastly improve the encyclopedia. We need numbers to make this work so consider signing up as a participant! Thank you. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa.01:51, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
New Page Review needs your help
Hi Devopam,
As an AfC reviewer you're probably aware that a new user right has been created for patrolling new pages (you might even have been granted the right already, and admins have it automatically).
Since July there has been a very serious backlog at Special:NewPagesFeed of over 14,000 pages, by far the worst since 2011, and we need an all out drive to get this back down to just a few hundred that can be easily maintained in the future. Unlike AfC, these pages are already in mainspace, and the thought of what might be there is quite scary. There are also many good faith article creators who need a simple, gentle push to the Tea House or their pages converted to Draft rather than being deleted.
Although New Page Reviewing can occasionally be somewhat more challenging than AfC, the criteria for obtaining the right are roughly the same. The Page Curation tool is even easier to use than the Helper Script, so it's likely that most AfC reviewers already have more than enough knowledge for the task of New Page Review.
It is hoped that AfC reviewers will apply for this right at WP:PERM and lend a hand. You'll need to have read the page at WP:NPR and the new tutorial.
Hello Devopam. Your account has been added to the "New page reviewers" user group, allowing you to review new pages and mark them as patrolled, tag them for maintenance issues, or in some cases, tag them for deletion. The list of articles awaiting review is located at the New Pages Feed. New page reviewing is a vital function for policing the quality of the encylopedia, if you have not already done so, you must read the new tutorial at New Pages Review, the linked guides and essays, and fully understand the various deletion criteria. If you need more help or wish to discuss the process, please join or start a thread at page reviewer talk.
You will frequently be asked by users to explain why their page is being deleted - be formal and polite in your approach to them too, even if they are not.
Don't review a page if you are not sure what to do. Just leave it for another reviewer.
Remember that quality is quintessential to good patrolling. Take your time to patrol each article, there is no rush. Use the message feature and offer basic advice.
The reviewer right does not change your status or how you can edit articles. If you no longer want this user right, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. In case of abuse or persistent inaccuracy of reviewing, the right can be revoked at any time by an administrator. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:45, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Devopam. Voting in the 2016 Arbitration Committee elections is open from Monday, 00:00, 21 November through Sunday, 23:59, 4 December to all unblocked users who have registered an account before Wednesday, 00:00, 28 October 2016 and have made at least 150 mainspace edits before Sunday, 00:00, 1 November 2016.
The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.
We now have 815 New Page Reviewers! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog. Now it's time for action. Mid July to 01 Oct 2016
If each reviewer does only 10 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by each reviewer doing only 2 or 3 reviews a day - that's about 5 minutes work!
Let's get that over and done with in time to relax for the holidays.
Second set of eyes
Not only are New Page Reviewers the guardians of quality of new articles, they are also in a position to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged for deletion and maintenance and that new authors are not being bitten. This is an important feature of your work. Read about it at the new Monitoring the system section in the tutorial.
Getting the tools we need - 2016 WMF Wishlist Survey: Please vote
With some tweaks to their look, and some additional features, Page Curation and New Pages Feed could easily be the best tools for patrollers and reviewers. We've listed most of what what we need at the 2016 WMF Wishlist Survey. Voting starts on 28 November - please turn out to make our bid the Foundation's top priority. Please help also by improving or commenting on our Wishlist entry at the Community Wishlist Survey. Many other important user suggestions are listed at at Page Curation.
Thank you, through most credit should go to my students - I am just teaching them :) Thank you for sending wikikittens to them, they'll be very happy, I am sure. PS. As they are ESL, any grammar proofreading in their article would go a long way in helping them with the DYK. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here07:03, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Re:your revert and comments on National Register of Historic Places listings in Union County, New Mexico
Please do not be offended. However, the National Register of Historic Places listings in Union County, New Mexico article is basically boilerplate of similar county NRHP articles, not only within the state of New Mexico, but also of the more than 3,000 U.S. counties (and equivalents in some jurisdictions) throughout the country. Most states already have all their sites listed on county-level tables. New Mexico is an exception. List articles are supposed to be a summary of the relevant info. If you want detailed citations, see the individual articles. If they are lacking, then flag the individual articles, although I have been updating their infoboxes as I go along and most are already flagged as stubs. In fact, on the county list, I added an additional citation to the table column header to the National Register Information System not present in the original state article.
If all NRHP listings were included in the state list article, it would be ridiculously long. Each county, as in most states, should have its own article. This makes everything easier for localization and categorization of related linked articles. Fortguy (talk) 08:11, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Fortguy:, The referencing style is not as per WP:CS and hence I flagged it while marking page reviewed. Will you please reassess and put it back in place so that some editor can fix it in spare time ? Devopam (talk) 08:34, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Another editor has weighed in. User:TheCatalyst31 has reverted your edit on National Register of Historic Places listings in Curry County, New Mexico agreeing with me that the citations are standard on these types of lists. Nothing in either article is challenged or likely to be challenged per WP:CS. Replacing the template? No, you may do that if you so choose. While you're at it, you may add it to the state article from which the info was extracted and the other 27 NM county articles similarly written. Then you can move east and add the template to all of the counties in Texas with NRHP listings (approx. 220 county list articles in that one state alone) and then propagate nationwide from there. I personally don't have that much spare time for unchallenged list articles. Again, I added a citation missing from the tables' previous housing on the statewide article.
After you've finished adding templates to 3000+ unchallenged, cited list articles nationwide, then may I suggest something truly worthy and time-consuming such as fact-checking Donald Trump? Fortguy (talk) 09:01, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No comment on the civility issue, but I was also unimpressed by those templates. This is a pretty standard citation style, and while there's possibly room for improvement, the way to accomplish that isn't by putting a template on a handful of the 2000+ lists like this that doesn't say anything about what changes you want. (The best I can tell is that you think the individual entries should be cited instead of the columns, but when the data in every column comes from the same source, all that does is clutter up the table.) On this list, the factual accuracy template has a similar problem; it's unclear what's being disputed, especially since the list is supported by the sources, and without a talk page comment or something it's unclear what needs to be fixed. (In both cases, your argument that someone will fix this in their spare time doesn't hold up, because that someone would have no idea how to fix this if they even found it in the sea of similarly templated articles.) Your templated comment on my talk page also gave me the impression you weren't being very careful with your page review; not only did you leave that for me when I wasn't the actual page author, you put a template that's clearly meant for newer editors on the talk page of someone who's been an admin for six years. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation14:12, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Declined speedy deletion nomination of Henry Thompson (cricketer)
Hello Devopam. Speedy deletion work is important and I do appreciate the effort. I would just ask that you please review the criteria carefully because accuracy is also important. On that issue, I have declined your speedy deletion nomination of Henry Thompson (cricketer) as an article that does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the topic under CSD A7. That criterion did not apply because "He made his first class debut for Leeds/Bradford MCCU" is a credible indication of "importance or significance". Remember that CSD A7 is a lower standard than what is required to demonstratenotability – it does not, for example, require that the article's text already contain citations to reliable sources that would be necessary to prove notability, but only that it contain a claim that, were it true, might reasonably make the subject a valid encyclopedia topic (if proper sourcing could later be found). Appable (talk | contributions) 06:32, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
hi @Appable: , thanks for correcting the mistake. When I look back, I see reason in your statement above. Should have AfD ed the article under proper category instead of CSD. Devopam (talk) 06:49, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, nominating for deletion is supposed to mark it reviewed. That way, other NPPers don't waste time on it while it has the speedy tag on it. Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:43, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Devopam. I am absolutely delighted you approved this article. Developing it has been a long slog and I have more than once considered abandoning Wikipedia because of frustrations with the review process. That said, every rejection gave a new opportunity to learn what Wikipedia is about and what is expected. Best wishes. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 12:19, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
All text in this article comes from independent sources and NOT from the company. There is similar company using the exact same sources (see entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LendInvest), and for some reason their entry is accepted. Further, that entry is far more PR, only highlighting company achievements. This is very confusing that you seem to allow same sources for one entry, and denying the same sources for another. This entry even uses company sources and they are accepted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funding_Circle
Please clarify why:
- The article is considered to be PR as similar entries are allowed
- the sources used in the relevant entry are not deemed credible given that the same sources are used in allowed entries
I was under the impression that Wiki editors are independent and objective in their review but given the inconsequential application of policies, it certainly brings forward questions about the editors "independence" on this matter.
@37.203.168.68: Please don't be discouraged by a genuine feedback. I see you mixed up my review with the previous one in terms of notability. I had rejected it due to the article being in a catalogue of a company shape at the moment. Do seek help from WT:COMPANIES and take inspiration from existing company articles to see what changes need to be made to make it an interesting read rather than a mere company listing. Do remember to support the facts with proper references (See WP:REFBEGIN). Devopam (talk) 14:25, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Devopam. I have noticed that my article InvestiRE was deleted from Articles for creation. Could you please provide me with some feedback/suggestions on which part to edit in order to improve it? Also is it possible to restore a copy so I can edit it from there? Thank you very much, Garminio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garminio (talk • contribs) 15:40, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Devopam, could you please come to the Discussion page of the abovementioned article? I would please need your input about how to improve it. Thanks a lot in advance.--Ferdinando Scala (talk) 09:29, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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We have received comments on our ECW draft article. Need some clarification. Problems with the changed title.
We would like to reply to some of the comments that have been listed regarding the Acid, Base and The ECW model Wikipedia draft.
It has been suggested that the title be called electrostatic and covalent equation. This is misleading and points readers in the wrong direction. That title may make people think that the equation is used for quantum mechanical calculations. However, the ECW model, among other things, is an equation that correlates and predicts the enthalpies of adduct formation between Lewis acid and Lewis basis. In addition to these calculations, in some cases it is able to get quantitative information on properties that cannot be obtained by other means. A few of these properties are the magnitude of steric hindrance, the magnitude of pi- back bonding, the enthalpy of dissociation of a dimer, etc. Since the ECW model deals with Lewis acids and bases it seems to us that an appropriate title would be Lewis Acids & Bases and The ECW model.
One of the comments mentioned that a large number of the references was of Russell Drago's work. The authors of this draft were of the impression that the references were to back up the assertions made in the article (and not an indication of a popularity contest.) The ECW model is mentioned in many inorganic textbooks as can be seen by consulting reference 1 in the reference 4 listed in reference section in the draft article.
ECW is also mentioned in the Wikipedia article on HSAB Theory. And several recently published books on acids and bases also discuss the E&C parameters. Would you like all the inorganic textbooks and the recently published acid base book to be listed in the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by BeaglePower (talk • contribs) 00:11, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@BeaglePower: this article is quite technical, and I believe a fair assessment can be done by WP:WikiProject Chemistry team. My generic observations were simple - 1. Why there are two articles, submitted under similar names , for AfC and 2. This is too technical , more like a research paper. Wikipedia articles are supposed to make an interesting read , in 'English' , to make the subject matter understandable for those who don't know about it. Devopam (talk) 04:52, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]