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Happy editing! Cheers, paul2520 💬 14:37, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Freeholders of Newbiggin-by-the-Sea (June 13)

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Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

As this is a subject that hasn't got any attention, it would be difficult to find reliable sources attributed. All I can do is remove unreliable sources - which will make the article poorly sourced Daniel Plumber (talk) 11:15, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And could you please tell me what sources in the article are unreliable? Any clarification would be highly appreciated Daniel Plumber (talk) 11:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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June 2024

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, please note that there is a Manual of Style that should be followed to maintain a consistent, encyclopedic appearance. Deviating from this style, as you did in Earls, Marquises and Dukes in the Baronage of Scotland, disturbs uniformity among articles and may cause readability or accessibility problems. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Wiiformii (talk) 00:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK. But how come my edit was non-constructive? I just rewrote that to be more neutral-sound. Daniel Plumber (talk) 00:46, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Francis Martin O'Donnell

You reverted an edit by user 94.189.151.57, saying O'Donnell uses the title "Lord O'Donnell of Fingal" by reference to his website. This is incorrect. His website makes reference to his several titles owned, which should be considered simply a matter of transparent disclosure of interests, but it is clear from his introduction, and other references e.g. under tabs "Clan Revival" and "Clan Association" that he signs off and is referred to as Ambassador, without reference to those other titles. He may own but never uses titles such as "Lord O'Donnell of Fingal". nor "Vice Great Seneschal". In contrast, he was elected President of the O'Donnell Clan Association on 9 June 2024, and uses that, as well as President of the Genealogical Society of Ireland". See: https://odomhnaill.com/ Please familiarise yourself more with Wikipedia policies before making major changes to established articles and pay attention to WP:BLP, NOR, POV 2001:BB6:18E4:9400:937:FEAA:203A:1C92 (talk) 08:17, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He may not make much references about these titles, but I believe saying he never uses these titles is incorrect. The fact that he is gazetted in the Companies House as "Lord O'Donnell of Fingal" suggests otherwise, because in order to have a title mentioned by the CH, one must write down in the portfolio application saying that he is lord XYZ etc. and the CH won't include titles automatically, even peers of the realm, given that his titles are merely feudal. I think this is what he did. Daniel Plumber (talk) 08:31, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.fmodonnell.org/lineage.html Daniel Plumber (talk) 08:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just checked that; doesn't quite bear you out 2001:BB6:18E4:9400:5463:B990:F478:1286 (talk) 19:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just additional context - I don't use it as supporting evidence tbh, I still stand by my opinion that he is known by the CH as Lord O'Donnell of Fingal indicates that he did use the title. As I said - the CH does not index titles automatically. Daniel Plumber (talk) 23:46, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it is not his primary identity, and the CH reference is already included in the text. Globally, he is known as Ambassador Francis M. O'Donnell, and trumpeting that CH-recognised title as his primary one "up front" is rather unbalanced and disrespectful, especially as in "republican" Ireland such titles are regarded often with disdain. In fact to use his diplomatic courtesy title "His Excellency" juxtaposed over the Fingal title is incorrect. He is not "His Excellency The Lord O'Donnell of Fingal", but "His Excellency Francis Martin O'Donnell". Please revert to the original articulation, as the. title is well included under "Other interests" (footnote 141). Discretion is the better part of valour. 2001:BB6:18E4:9400:FCCA:4C45:E8E0:8055 (talk) 12:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would be better for you to do so yourself. It's up to you what you'd want the article to be. My edit was intended to be providing additional context only, and I actually have no or little interest in Francis. Daniel Plumber (talk) 12:51, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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